Sola scriptura, sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, soli Deo gloria

Sola scriptura, sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, soli Deo gloria

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Amen. Fuck the jews too.

Ye, fuck the communist jews

Works have value too, as does the suggestions (not orders, mind you) of the patriarchs.
You went at it the wrong way, you fucking lutherian retards.

Bow before your betters. You're not smart enough to truly understand the faith. God gave others greater abilities.

Are you implying that Jesus died for nothing? I'm not lutheran btw.

I'm smart enough to not follow satanic church with communist as it's head.

Bump brother!

Nice strawman.

Works follow the soul.

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I never understood the protestuck. They edit the Bible to fit their crazy ideas and destroy the hierarchy in Europe resulting in bankers taking over.

>Only Scripture, only faith, only grace, only Christ, only the glory of god
But the first half of that statement is retarded; If you don't understand how Christianity evolved over Millennium none of it will make any sense.

Agree with the second half of his statement though.

Bump.

>Sola scriptura
Scripture teaches the opposite

>Sola fide
Scripture teaches the opposite

Always do the opposite of what Protestants say.

Granted we have a Pope who is Protestant in all but name, so I wouldn't be making ourselves look that good either.

The protestants are actually German mystics that did not manage to go all the way.

The hierarchy in Europe was perverted. It is not about hierarchy per se, it is about truth or not truth.

Works are derivative of faith.
The wages of sin is death, only death can pay off the debt of sin, no work from our flawed hands can do anything to atone for this debt, only the death of the sinless Christ, which we accept by faith is sufficient.

By way of faith in Christ your character is transformed and you begin to emulate Jesus, more & more - good works are the proof of a transformed character. The old man dies and the new man is born in the spirit, as you walk in faith, you will begin to be more Christ-like in your nature and do "good works"
"Faith without works is dead" - if you have no fruits (no good works) then your faith is illegitimate, if you actually have faith in Jesus as your Savior, whose sacrifice & grace is sufficient, then you will have good works because you will want to be more like Christ.

You aren't saved by works, you're saved by faith.
And through faith you will be transformed into the image of Christ, and do good works because you yearn to be good.

This is why I can't take American Christians seriously, pure hogwash comes out your mouths. I'll stick with a rational form of Christianity, thank you very much.

That is true, I'm not so conceited to deny the obvious corruption that the Renaissance papacy had.
But surely something better than having the faith that stretched over Western Europe united broken into hundreds of little pieces leading to decades of war could have resulted, right?

You've said nothing but, "nuh-uh"
what an intellectual

He's saying you are too Mystical.

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comprehensive history of the reformation and Catholic/Orthodox heresy

Not necessarily, there is a strong tradition of mysticism in Catholicism and Orthodoxy steeped in Greek and Roman philosophy, which is why nobody except the Orthodox and Catholics have managed to give Christianity a strong rational basis.
My issue with American Christianity, specifically the Evangelical/Baptist kind, it it negates all of that for muh feels and muh emotions, leading to Christians supporting the flat earth, denying evolution, denying the big bang, and so forth.

I am not so sure. Diversity of faiths also brings a need for clarification. That is important. It is not all about unity per se. To say it with Luther:
"Truth at all cost, peace if possible."

fuck P R O T S on G'd

The Bible says not to lean on the wisdom of men but on the Word of God and you're saying "Oh look at our philosophy".

>My issue with American Christianity, specifically the Evangelical/Baptist kind, it it negates all of that for muh feels and muh emotions, leading to Christians supporting the flat earth, denying evolution, denying the big bang, and so forth.
That is what I meant user, I just worded my response badly because I was having trouble finding the specific word or phrase to sum that up.

All the diversity of faiths has done is cause countless divisions that other faiths use to their advantage; I'd rather have a diversity of SECTS within a united Faith overall

The wisdom of men is derived from the rational intelligibility of the universe. Who gave the universe rational intelligibility? God.

The big bang can be denied with good and purely rational reasons. It is not set in stone. The universe is infinite both in time and space and its foundational energy is only ever transmuting. The only thing that arises and passes away in time are galaxies and all its components.

With all due respect for Greek philosophy and its place in Catholic and Orthodox Christianity which indeed make it more soulful, there is a fundamental flaw to Christianity in general in that it places the suffering man in the middle of its cosmos, not the Buddha, the uomo universale, the cosmic human as a guide to integrity. Yes it is very important to return to the heart and feel yourself and your actions but it is also about integrity and the divine coming through the human form. This is why Chrsitianity was so morbid and needed the Renaissance.

>The Bible says...
Literally every protestant argument begins like this. When you tell them there was no Bible until 300 years after Christ they lose their minds.

The scriptures have always been in the hands of men.

I'd rather have a diversity of SECTS within a united Faith overall

Possible if Dharma. Not possible if worship of suffering as redemptive is the doctrine and than imposed upon everyone. The Cosmic Human and integrity must be the center of the practice, not just penance.

dude the laws are in the OT, they were literally since forever, NT says just repent, accept Christ as saviour and love people, romans 10:9

>but it is also about integrity and the divine coming through the human form.
If we are thinking about this in the same terms, the idea of men being made in the image of God is everywhere in Christianity, starting from its beginning.

The idea of man being a sinner in need for human sacrifice and weekly mock cannibalism begs to differ.

>need for human sacrifice and weekly mock cannibalism begs to differ.
What are you specifically referring to?

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I mean the idea the only one man was Cosmic and that that one man had to be sacrificed for everyone else's failure in some form of payment. This means all of humanity is second rate and doomed to fail, not following after a pioneer. Mass is mock cannibalism.

>I mean the idea the only one man was Cosmic and that that one man had to be sacrificed for everyone else's failure in some form of payment. This means all of humanity is second rate and doomed to fail, not following after a pioneer. Mass is mock cannibalism.

>Implying Christ didn't die on the Cross
>Implying Christ didn't heal anyone
>Implying Christ didn't exorcize demons
>Implying Christ didn't preach, making Him a teacher
Faith AND works saves your soul. Do what thou must, when thou can.

To say it with the words of a German mystic, Meister Eckhart:
What pathetic God has only one son?

Yes because the catholic church was never corrupt or anything......oh wait, it was insanely corrupt which is exactly why we changed it and broke off from them. Protestants are the only true Christians left on Earth

Unfortunately most of you have found other means of corruption: zionism.

>Galatians 2
>16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
>21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

What pathetic God lose a physical eye in battle, or let his followers get decimated and its teaching sent to oblivion?

You're not god, you don't get to tell others how to believe in their faith faggot. Priests aren't ordained by god, they're ordained by themselves and that is blasphemy which is why we have preachers instead who simply do what the original apostles did and teach instead of becoming kikes obsessed with material objects and gold

Of what value do filthy rags have?

Or have you never read Isaiah?

It is a question of the mind you put it: do you love truth and integrity or do you try to bargain with God with your works?

Isn't that heretical?

Why would he need a second one if the first one accomplished his task?

>Matthew 7
>21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
>22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
>23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes because Catholic cucks are the ones who fought against Zionism, or wait, wrong again, that was protestants. Ever notice how when catholic fags started flooding America they brought the kikes here with them?

Why does this trigger you into pagan bashing? It is a true and fundamental question. In German mysticicm the son of God is an inborn state that can move into realization within any seeker.

>John 6
>38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
>39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
>40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

How can you possibly have a problem with Jews having a homeland while being a Christian?

>In German mysticicm the son of God is an inborn state that can move into realization within any seeker.
Stoics already had a similar idea thousands of years prior. Some of it was brought into Christian mysticism by early Christian philosophers, some of whom were stoics prior to converting.

Think infinite time and infinite worlds coming into existence and perishing again. In that vastness, do you realize how provincial that thought is? Also did he accomplish his task? How would you know that he did other than being told?

If man was created in God's image that means all men, not just one – at least in the form of an inborn potential actualized or unactualized.

And there was no bible soon after , just latin chanting no one understood

Yes. And you can find this insight in Buddhism and Dharma philosophy etc. It was Christianity at some point that decided to worship suffering and self harm and insist on the worthlessness of man.

>In that vastness, do you realize how provincial that thought is?
All statements are provincial in that context.
>Also did he accomplish his task? How would you know that he did other than being told?
Faith in God.

it's a good question tho, your god and God arent same, as God destroyed your god, and we are all sons of God, we are his creation

Bargaining is useless. All will be judged.
What I do I do of my own free will, for the Glory of the Holy Trinity, because it is the only way forward.
>"Ye shall see the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free."
The Truth is that if, like all men, you seek good things, then ultimately it will lead you to this revelation. To seek good things means to seek what is good in knowledge of causes and consequences, also.
Good and Evil is subjective. Righteousness and wickedness is not.

>It was Christianity at some point that decided to worship suffering and self harm and insist on the worthlessness of man.
I think you're using hyperbole and flowery language, not actually representing a genuine Christian position.

If you mean Odin as my God, God created him, too.

righteousness comes by following christ hence the christians will judge the jews

if God created odin why do you chose him and not the creator? if someone says im God you should listen to him

i mean shouldnt

Jesus wasn't even a real person

>pic related

What a colossal waste of time and energy

Actually I am serious. There is the doctrine of the redemptive power of suffering, killing the flesh, hundreds of years of intense monastic bodily self abuse, mock cannibalism as a weekly ritual (mass), the overemphasis on pity and remorse instead of clarity and joy. The need to proclaim yourself a sinner and ask for forgiveness instead of asking for divine wisdom. In fact almost all forms of vitality are suspected of haughtiness.

I don't know much about Orthodoxy, but that is precisely why I have managed to cling to Roman Catholicism so long. I do find it hard to see scriptural backing for every facet of the Catholic Church, however, I do believe we worship Christ in a dignified, rational manner whereas the breed of American Protestant you're talking about doesn't have any of that.

Historically I would have been very tempted to join with the Calvinist Puritans because I do believe they are directly responsible for the good government we have today. Their heirs today such as the Baptist/Evangelical camp, however, are the laughing stock of Christendom, 2nd only to the pathetic mainline churches of today with gay marriage, female bishops, etc. It's very likely you'll ever see me become "born again."

Whatever the case may be, I pray that the Lord will have mercy on my sins and that I'll still be repentant in the time leading to my death.

I let you ponder on the general intelligence of your question. Or to put it into pol-lingo:
Really makes you think, huh?

Here, my good man Johnson, is an example of a quality post of a leaf. Such a rare occurrence this is. Anyway, let's have some tea shall we?