Good lord, the last time Otaking was in the US was at OTAKON 1995, at the Penn State Scanticon in central Pennsylvania.
Is he still around?
Logan Smith
*Correction, he was also at Anime America back in 1996 apparently.
Nolan Perry
Not even in the slightest.
Lincoln Long
>no K-ON >pretentious Yuasashit Into the trash it goes.
Jaxson Hernandez
>Osomatsu-san Was OK but the skits were pretty hit or miss, he has better things in the list
Austin Adams
you're just now realizing that no one who isn't a basement dweller thinks K-On is good?
Cooper Scott
>Crayon Shin-chan >Osomatsu-san Seriously? I mean, sure it has all its cultural influence in Japan but no one on their right minds would call it literary masterpiece.
It's basically like Simpsons and Family Guy - a cheap way to pass the time and nurture memes but it contributes nothing to the growth of literature
Doreamon and Detective Conan rightfully fits this place better
Joseph Scott
Ganba no Bouken subs never
Charles Bell
>10) "Space Battleship Yamato" >7) "Mobile Suit Gundam" >6) "Daicon IV" >4) "Laputa Castle in the Sky"
Literally the only things in this shitpile of a list that have any merit.
Wasn't this Otaking the fucking idiot who trashed G-Reco and Your Name because he was too dumb to understand them?
Lincoln Sanders
>6) "Daicon IV" Of course one of the only things Otaking himself was ever involved in is one of the greatest anime of all time.
He's not listing the Shin-chan TV series, he's listing one of the movies directed by Keiichi Hara which is generally considered a great film. Osomatsu-san is a weird choice though.
Ethan Rogers
>Of course one of the only things Otaking himself was ever involved in is one of the greatest anime of all time.
If he wanted to he could have easily listed Gunbuster and Honneamise, both of which he had a big hand in making and both better than half the shit on his hackneyed list.
Ryan Diaz
No but to be honest it's pretty good taste, it's not like it's objective or anything, If I saw a 3x3 with those anime I would give him a thumbs up.
Carson Wilson
It was well-received and won awards in Japan. Also had a much wider audience than others of its genre.
Kevin Peterson
Gothic-fucking-made what the hell
Tyler Sanders
It came out in Japan like 5 years ago user
Joshua King
Sword art Online also fits this description perfectly.
Ethan Anderson
>Acclaimed Anime Critic Toshio Okada (Otaking) >2017 >giving Okada "I PERSONALLY MADE ALL THE THINGS GAINAX WAS INVOLVED IN, PAY ATTENTION TO ME" Toshio the time of day
Brody Cooper
I'm honestly fucking surprised LoGH isn't on this list since we're adding pretentious garbage like Ping Pong in here.
Joseph Watson
> Doreamon and Detective Conan Neither of those would belong on this list, either. Conan in particular, what the fuck are you doing.
Dominic Ross
>pretentious garbage like Ping Pong I love this meme
Blake Thompson
>LoGH >pretentious garbage
So this is the power of Neo-Sup Forums
Jonathan Rivera
Yeah I don't understand that one. Japs have shit taste (but better than AmeriKKKan taste)
Samuel Ward
>Miyazaki rehashed shit having any merit
Good one normie.
Lucas Barnes
>10 greatest
This board and it's mistranslations. It says they're the best anime of each generation which is why it's in chronological order.
Nolan Cox
That makes sense. Though I have to wonder what Japs love about Osomatsu-san, I couldn't get into it.
Oliver Hughes
>each generation But Ping Pong and Osomatsu-san are barely one year apart
Cameron Peterson
Daicon IV is basically a commercial....
what the fuck. list is trash.
Adam Peterson
>Otaking
Who cares
Brody Harris
Wait, what? The best how many of each generation? And why are there tie-numbers, then (but not for all the shows from the same 2-3 year period)? This just makes it more confusing.
Ryan Cook
That's why they're both ranked as 1, you baka gaijin.
Evan Gonzalez
Yeah, if they're the best of each generation then how does the numbering of >2) "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica" >2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade" >1) "Ping Pong The Animation" >1) "Osomatsu-san" Make any sense?
Joseph Reed
But Gothicmade/Madoka and Ping Pong/Osomatsu are only two years apart. And Yamato, Gamba, and 3000 Leagues are all within the same like two year range. And Laputa and Beautiful Dreamer are the same. And then there's nothing from the 90s and only Adult Empire from the 00s. I don't get what the hell "generation" would even mean here.
Evan Long
>it doesn't have eromanga sensei automatically invalidated
Gavin Wood
Osomatsu is a remake isn't it?
Julian Morris
No, it's a sequel to Osomatsu-kun
Justin Collins
Sword Art Online is excellent and I've never understood the hate for it.
Isaiah Howard
>no Shinsekai Yori Of course, Japanese don't know it even exists. But (((acclaimed anime critics))) shouldn't be so ignorant.
Easton Long
Case and point.
Aiden Butler
What a weird and all over the place list. All of these deserve placements in top ten lists, but not in the same one.
Gavin Young
Oh no I'm not saying K-on was good. SAO is great and K-On was boring gay more hot.
Colton Allen
absolutelydisgusting.jpg Sasuga the nippon.
Jaxon Jackson
Everything ranked from 10 up until and including Shin-chan is considered an unmitigated classic and difficult to argue with in anyway. It is all such safe picks to be honest. If you have any opinion otherwise you likely simply haven't watched enough anime to be aware of them.
David Ramirez
*moeshit
Joshua Nelson
>1) "Osomatsu-san" The original one, right?
Oliver Lee
>3) "Crayon Shin-chan: The Storm Called: The Adult Empire Strikes Back" truly the best anime film of all time.
Dylan Murphy
I think those are his personal top 10. It must be subjective.
Christian Flores
that's -kun
Nathan Brown
Unbelievable.
Angel Brooks
Definitely in the top 10.
Camden Powell
>phoneposter
Christ.
Ryder Johnson
>likes sao >phoneposter >posts on Sup Forums just leave my man
Jason Allen
>Hana no Utame Gothicmade what
Landon Phillips
Even if we allow subjective affect I'd expect some more order from a "renowned" critic.
Jack Gray
I dunno, it's not a bad list. Just not my taste.
Brandon Watson
>Wasn't this Otaking the fucking idiot who trashed G-Reco and Your Name because he was too dumb to understand them?
No, he trashed G-reco because the story went nowhere (something even Tomino agreed with) and Your Name because it was derivative trash assembled by a production committee to sell based on "feels" and light novel cliches.
In both cases he was right.
Aiden Morgan
bump
Christian Morgan
Shinkai saved the industry and is now Miyazaki's successor. Stay salty.
>Shinkai saved the industry and is now Miyazaki's successor. Stay salty. No he's not, because Miyazaki doesn't even respect/care for him. Katabuchi is the successor.
Adrian Torres
Did some further reading and they describe his ranking process as a battle between anime he personally likes and his critical opinion of works that marked a new era of the anime industry. So admittedly he's not trying to be purely objective, but he still wanted the rankings to reflect the historical booms that occured.
Thomas Diaz
>Miyazaki doesn't even respect/care for him
>comes out of retirement because Your Name assraped Spirited Away and became the No. 1 anime film in the world
Like I said, stay salty
Jaxson Johnson
Stop making shit up. Miyazaki comes out of retirement every 5 years. How new can you get?
Jace Nelson
But Kimi no na Wa is genuinely well-directed and aesthetically pleasing; the shifts in atmosphere are very well-handledh, too No need to be a contrarian fag, user
Tyler Evans
>Katabuchi is the successor.
To Takahata, sure. Miyazaki has no replacement.
Benjamin White
>Katabuchi
Brandon Roberts
he didnt say anything about direction, he said it was derivative trash. Although I think his line about light novel cliches is wrong. It's mostly western romcom cliches that are everywhere. I can understand why it was so praised, since I imagine most people who watch anime don't watch western romcoms and are unaware of how lazy and reliant the movie is on those tropes.
Thomas Foster
Yamada is the successor and the greatest anime director alive.
Thomas Mitchell
Yamada's films are NOTHING like Miyazaki though.
Juan Nguyen
Right. Koe no Katachi was the true masterpiece
Cameron Johnson
I thought Otaking was a girl called Paul Johnson who shilled for five tone shading?
Mason Nelson
The thing is that those clichés are executed well enough to have their own autonomy and feel different. The same goes for all the LN tropes in the film. The atmosphere also helps the movie a lot. Koe no Katachi has a shitton of flaws tho. Yamada did a pretty good job at adapting it, but even she couldn't salvage the manga's mediocre and generic second half.
Jayden Garcia
>yamada
wew kyoanus lickers
Noah Harris
10, 7, 5, 4, 3, and Ping Pong are the only good ones.
Adam Cruz
Did you turn your trip off for this one? It can't be a coincidence that the two stupidest posts in the thread are 72 seconds apart.
Juan Lee
Cliches are bad by definition, I don't see how good execution saves it. I don't even think you could name the most atrocious cliches that run throughout it, but mind you, if they were just small things that occurred every once in awhile they wouldn't be a big deal at all, but the cliches define the entire overarching plot. I mean jesus, the worst thing you could ever do in a romcom, the one thing that is so overdone it would be immediately disregarded in western cinema where they are more familiar with it, is the "plot device forces two people who aren't on the best terms with each other together and they eventually fall in love" cliche. Now Shinkai not only builds the entire plot around the worst possible romcom cliche imaginable, but then also uses some of the cheesiest body-swap cliches as well. At least four fucking times did they do the "guy feels up the girl he swapped into" cliche. Count that as the 4000 and 4th time I've seen that one. Stopped being funny after 100. Freaky Friday was more creative than Kimi no Na Wa.
Gabriel Richardson
>no Fractale should be fake. Otaking would never forget his buddy Yamakan.
Gavin Ortiz
Can't let a show with a Chinese lead in the top 10.
Jace White
A good execution that reinvents a cliché can make a cliché more bearable. And the one cliché you mention fits thematically with movie's themes of destiny and the repetition of time; and as cliché as that might be to a Western audience, it is quite common in Japanese literature (assuming that we're talking about a deus ex machina or seemingly supernatural/irrealistic power or even bringing two people together). As it is, the movie never tries to be realistic; at its core, it is magic realism.
Aside from that, four dumb "guy fells up her breasts" scenes don't ruin a movie, and, again, they give it a teist by the thrid time it happens. That's only the tip of the iceberg, as there is a nice amount of direction details that make it stand out from the body-swap trope.
Again, the execution and direction is what's key in Kimi no na Wa. On paper, jt is a heaping pile of shit, but Shinkai's direction saves and elevates the movie.
Sure, it's not Paprika or Kaguya, but it's still pretty solid.
Dominic Collins
That's fair. I didn't think it was bad either, just annoyed at people who think it's flawless.
Brayden Mitchell
30000 Leagues, Laputa, Urusei, Daicon, MBG are all either 10/10 or trend setting, incredibly infuential projects.
Gamba and Yamato aren't something really special to me. The original Captain harlock series would be a better replacement for Yamato (considering it's a tad more original than "WORLD WAR II BATTLE SHIP IN SPACE!", and Legend of the Galactic Heroes a much, much better one.
Shin Shan, Gothicmade, ping pong and osomatsu san have no business being in the top 3. Your best anime is a fucking comedy that looks vaguely like early animes?
shame on you mr. okada
Henry Brown
No 999 or Bara no Versailles or Onisama e..?
Jonathan Gray
It is also the fifth time the same exact concept was made into a movie
Your Name isn't innovative in the slightest. It's just the best produced verison of an ongoing trend
it's an ok movie, nothign more, nothing less.
Noah James
>mistranslations
More like deliberate baiting and shitposting.
James Jackson
The manga was still better.
Alexander Barnes
that's what I've been saying
it's not ground-breaking, but it is a solid 7.5 or 8/10, simply because it does what it sets out to do very well, and adds some pretty neat stuff to the mix
and it is still better than koe no katachi
Wyatt Rivera
>Osomatsu-san
Mason Sanchez
Did this fucker really just charge $8 to watch a damn video of his awful opinions on his YT channel?
Parker Ramirez
Otaking's words should be taken with a grain of salt, after all. But he's right for many of these. I wouldn't say any of those are my favorites, but they're all incredibly good and trend-setting. More people need to watch old school Dezaki like Gamba or Takarajima
It's undeniable that Yamato is the more influential series. And it's based on era, not an ascending order of quality. That's why the oldest shit came first.
Ping Pong is legit good though. Yuasa's best project by far, I'd say, though it still doesn't hold a candle to the original manga. Shin Chan isn't great in general, but their movies are quite interesting and well-made.
>Arete >Mai Mai >Kono Sekai
That's it, the guy doesn't have a huge volume of work and his style feels derivative of Takahata. Don't get me wrong, Arete was genuinely very good, but Kono Sekai is far too overrated by Nip critics, war stories always go over well there.
Juan Sullivan
>war stories always go over well there.
Like GATE, right?
Joshua Martinez
Your original story ideas either die without anyone giving a shit, or live long enough to become cliche. Even in hindsight, original series like Harlock and Cutey Honey are just incredibly hackneyed to viewers today - other people have done their shticks to death. There's nothing wrong with using cliche, and all good things are doomed to it eventually.
That said, I don't get where the idea that Your Name is cliche comes from. Sure, no movie can entirely avoid that sort of thing, but I'd argue Kono Sekai was far more cliche in the kinds of subject matter and storytelling it was broaching. I mean, it's not even really a romcom, more of a disaster story and the way it juggles multiple themes and builds atmosphere is pretty unique for a movie like this. The visual leitmotifs and the cinematography are at once consistent with past Shinkai movies and also explore new territory, and little subversion along the way keep the story fresh and interesting.
Compare the movie with 5cm/s, which was infinitely more original for the time. Those natsukashii-invoking heavily contrasted photoshopped photo backgrounds Shinkai would become known for were first introduced to the public then. Yet, its unrefined and low-budget nature, along with Shinkai's fledgling talents as a writer and cinematographer, left a lot to be desired. Comparatively, KNNW is less original, but polishes and contemplates the style and themes that 5cm/s tried to convey, in a much more easily digestible package.
I will say the engagement curve is very generic for this movie, but that's not really something you can fault it on considering this sort of curve has been used in everything from Ovid to Star Wars. I think compared to the other two big anime films of the year, Kono Sekai and KnK, it stands out as the best. Not that it's perfect, but it's certainly better designed, more consistent, and more thought provoking than the other two.
Tyler Adams
My bad, they generally go over pretty well there. Mostly WWII stuff, though. Hell, I can't think of any WWII anime that DIDN'T end up being praised in some way or another. Even genuinely mediocre flicks like Kaze Tachinu
And even GATE was far, far more successful than it deserved to be.
Jack Rodriguez
>2) "Hana no Utame Gothicmade"
Heard so many polarizing things about this. Some people claim it looks like flash animation while others say it actually had a higher framerate than goddamn Ponyo and animated on the same level as Disney films in the 40s. For fucks sake 4K or not, staying in theaters for five years with no home media release is ridiculous.
Samuel Reyes
Ping Pong is probably the only show that I'll go to watch just one scene from and end up re-watching the whole show.
Nathan Thomas
well... have you seen their competitors?
Easton Hernandez
You don't have to be entirely original. I don't even think that's possible since most things come of combining inspirations from other things, but the least to be expected is to add something to the ideas you're combining instead of just... combining them and hope nobody notices. I will say though if you aren't already jaded by seeing the cliches many times before it's a real good introduction to them. I'll just pretend people rate shows by production value alone then all the 10/10s will make sense to me.
Luke Watson
>putting an anime you made on your top list
LMAO
Kayden Carter
Most of the whining seems to come from people who saw the trailers. I can't speak for the film itself having never seen it like anyone else here, but the shots in the trailers were definitely cropped from the original footage, which generally makes everything look much worse, especially in panning shots. Just compare the Sleeping Beauty VHS with the BD release. Like night and day.
