Why is it that even though everyone prefers a female protagonist, we still don't get a lot of them for non SOL shows?

Why is it that even though everyone prefers a female protagonist, we still don't get a lot of them for non SOL shows?

Bahamut has one

Because stupid guys don't know how to write females, moderately intelligent guys are too scared of them and intelligent guys who can write female characters are too rare in the world.

Also, I think all the female writers are fujos who are fine with their male protags.

Watch more anime.

How do you write females?

>everyone prefers a female protagonist
Why do you assume this? Females are less intelligent (fewer geniuses), physically and psychologically weaker (more likely to give up and start crying when a task is difficult), less driven by deferral of gratification (not able to sacrifice themselves for others), and in general far more coddled than men.

The only reason you see so many of them in anime is because most Japanese illustrators have no desire to spend their days drawing ugly men, and if it makes no real difference in 2D for how the characters perform in the story, most viewers would appreciate the eye candy as well, instead of watching hairy men. The upside is, the super badass hero of your story can take off a layer of clothes and play the dual role of super sexy heroine at the same time.

Realistically? Basically a bi-polar person whose motivations change all the time based on their whim of the moment.

So people like them? Basically a no nonsense male manly character, except they are a girl and sometimes act cute and feminine.

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>Why do you assume this? Females are less intelligent (fewer geniuses), physically and psychologically weaker (more likely to give up and start crying when a task is difficult), less driven by deferral of gratification (not able to sacrifice themselves for others), and in general far more coddled than men.

That is the lamest excuse for not having female protagonist

It might be because they wanna do something with them that stays within the realms of girl stuff, but having them be the lead won't appeal to a wide audience.

Like pokeani for example: they take the FeMC all the time, but they never have them on something like Satoshi's quest. Something to do with looking cute or fashion, pageants and stuff.

People who want female MCs watch SoL mostly
Action and adventure is a male thing baby

No, it isn't. I'm explaining why female protagonists are unrealistic and wouldn't work in live action works because people are unable to suspend their disbelief. Then, I explain why we see so many female protagonists in anime despite this. I honestly don't see what the OP is talking about. Non-SOL anime are JAMMED FULL of female protagonists, especially playing roles that wouldn't make any sense in live action.

>That is the lamest excuse for not having female protagonist

If anything, that excuse is the perfect starting point for a female MC. Most shounen MCs are fucking retards (so hey, you have half an MC right there), and most of us could relate at least in part with a MC that starts as completely unheroic and grows throughout her story.

Also, you would think someone who clearly hates girls so much would want to give them great role models for them to follow.

What about for tomboys?

Tomboys are for dicking

Basically alice with a gauntlet.

Because women are fucking bitches! You want the MC to be an unrelatable bitch?

Execs are retarded

>Hurr 3D = 2D
Every time
Why is there one faggot like you always?

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First, not everyone has a gender preference for protagonist. I would probably prefer a protagonist the same gender as the writer, largely because few female writers can create authentic male characters, and few male writers can create authentic female characters. Anime writing is already challenged enough, adding gender dynamics to it would be unwise.

Second, female MCs tend to be a disaster, largely because their humanity gets neglected and their femininity gets mishandled. There are too many attempts to make overly perfect or appealing female MCs. Where that is not the case, there are strongly established female archetypes in anime and creators lean to heavily on them.

Third, marketing. Sexually exploiting the female MC for marketing purposes already undermines the point of trying to protagonize them. If they are going to just be objects of lust-- then they do not have to be the main character. And if you want the audience to see them as the main character, endlessly selling their sexuality is going to cheapen that and weaken that connection.

Think of their own individual history, what events they went through, how they reacted to them, keeping in mind the expectations and environment of their life. Usually if you can just understand a few of their life-defining events, you can write a character from that. Get some people to look over it and listen as to whether they feel the character makes sense as its gender.

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Basically, I do not really see FeMC's as viable in most anime. The market is interested, the culture isn't interested, and the challenge is much higher.

>less intelligent
>less driven by deferral of gratification
>psychologically weaker
[citation needed]

>female protagonists are unrealistic and wouldn't work in live action works because people are unable to suspend their disbelief
Nigga, what?

Beauty is subjective.

I know right? It's good they don't have female protags but what's with all these harems having these unlikable bitches everywhere? It pisses me off!

>Nigga, what?
Girls shouldn't talk that way.

Yeah, get rid of all these fucking female characters! Wether they're mains or support. The only place they belong are in unlikable roles we're supposed to hate!

Mad tumblrinas

Because the shit writers have to pair them up with guys, how can I self insert as the female mc like that? good riddance.

I just wanted fate/extra with fem MC. That's all I asked for. Japs are real fags

Why not self insert as the guy being paired up with the female MC in that case?

I want to be fucked in the ass by djeeta's 10" schlong

>Because women are fucking bitches!* You want the MC to be an unrelatable bitch

*To each other, if a guy was there, they tone down the snark and the meanness.

That's why I always laugh at SOL girls being all nice and happy with each other. A male fantasy of course. A more realistic depiction would be them ganging up on the pretty one/busty one to get her confidence down. Then they would talk shit about the girls who aren't there.

They also keep making hetshit despite everyone hating it.
I don't understand them.

>everyone prefers a female protagonist
This is so obviously not true. This only applies to slice of life and, specifically, moe slice of life shows, because the audience expectation is that there are few male characters (for whatever reason.)
Males prefer male protagonists. This is why the majority of male-targeted media has male protagonists. It's as simple as that.

>everyone
Not everyone has good taste unfortunately.

Don't remind me. Maybe there's a chance they'll adapt CCC with Hakunon

I like this post, a good one that is ignored.

Cause they're shit and most of the time it's a fujo harem with pretty boys.

We need more pettanko girls who call big breasted girls fat cows as a way to deal with her confidence issues. She'd make a fun character.

>Not being able to self-insert as a 10/10 girl who has to settle for a protagonist because he was nice to her.

Geez, I thought this forum has standards.

>Only self inserting as mc.

We don't need more real life crap creeping into our anime. It's already bad enough fat chicks are popping up more often.

Read more shoujo manga. It's fun.

Really makes you think

>*To each other, if a guy was there, they tone down the snark and the meanness.

They were just trying to get a reaction with their self-deprecation?

Women in anime are just used for sex appeal.

Men, or rather beta mcs, are simply used for self-insert, since they having no defining trait or personality, just like their harem of waifus, or just like you OP.

You guys should really just make up your mind. Do you like or hate girls? If you just like them aesthetically and create morphed illusions of them to fit your ideals and escape reality, that's just dumb.

It's a mixed bag, especially since there are a lot of Anons who unironically follow the "le 2D > 3DPD" meme. Then again, this is Sup Forums, so take everything with a mound of salt.

I haven't seen any as of recent. Then again, I am pretty selective of my anime.

Don't forget the male harems, how they love being abused and being a slut.
The only way a female mc works is if a male writer does it and adds yuri.

This. it would just be extended bullying in a non-cute manner..

there is no such thing as strong independent womyn.

Girls can be vicious, take it or leave it.

And if you actually hate girls, you shouldn't want them in your anime either.

If you wanted realism in shows, 99% of people who followed their dreams would get shit on and become beaten-down adults like everyone else.

Bullying is my fetish though. I like girls slowly emotionally crippling other, weaker girls.

not /r9k/ but women are emotionally unstable and possessive. they assume they have some kind of privilege or special rights to men they take interest in. exhibit A is such a girl who throws a hissy fit in an autistic rage because the MC was getting intimate with another girl even though she met the MC in less than 24-in story hours from that page.

All anime industry does these days is making a bunch of semen demons and whoring them out to the audience by making them do cute things because that's exactly what the audience wants, not nonsense like "compelling story" or "compelling characters". It may seem like a waste of the medium and it's not even the most efficient way of pandering to the audience, but the terrible state of the industry from the inside prevents any sort of innovativeness.

You have to go back.

I know right? Women are just completely unlikable! Thank god they're never main leads in anything important but I still hate it how they take up so much of the cast in anime like in harems. I hate it so much, why can't they just take roles that are meant to be hated?

Is that even a realistic female character?

I think there's a lot of people itt that haven't spoken to a girl since high school.

>but I still hate it how they take up so much of the cast in anime like in harems
No they are fine when they are side-characters

It sucks to hate girls because of some general (sometimes false) perceived notions of how they're like. It's a new low to actually hate them and must go out your way to make them unrealistic and lie to yourself that that's how sweet girls are in order to like them.

And it's doing unbelievably bad compared to the previous story.

First, women don't like female characters written by women unless it's drama, sol or shlick porn.
No I'm not kidding.
Name ten female written female characters from top created anime. I'll wait.

Lastly, everyone is fucking sexually exploited in media. Everyone.
You can't even have a shounen piece of fiction without the boys all being vaguely gay shlick bait for the female fans.
And you know as well as I do that if you create a piece of media for women and the chick isn't attractive or lusted after by men...or women and is considered ass ugly or just unattractive(real unattractive, not cinderella or ugly librarian unattractive) then women will pitch a bitch fit.

It's too bad we will never see a gag manga from a truly destitute fat girl character.

This is where Kishimoto stands above all those moefags. It's true he has insecurities about women(hopefully got over it by now) but does he go out of his way to make them unrealistic angels in order to satisfy his fantasies? No.

A new interesting view of the Naruto manga thinking about it.

>Fate and Grandblue FeMC are infinitely more popular, but they still go with the generic male

Obviously we're supposed to self-insert, but what's the point if no one even likes the male character?

>A more realistic depiction would be them ganging up on the pretty one/busty one to get her confidence down. Then they would talk shit about the girls who aren't there.
I feel that this is a bit skeptical, because it largely depends on the situation or how well they know each other.

>women don't like female characters written by women unless it's drama, sol or shlick porn
Proof? That's pretty far-fetched.

>but having them be the lead won't appeal to a wide audience.
Nigga there are a lot of anime productions with female leads that are popular as fuck, it all depends on how they're written and the work in general.

> fiction needs to be realistic
Kys.

Watch more anime.

I agree with some of your points, but there is evidence of a lot of female protagonists that are indeed popular when not heavily marketed as sexualized. Ghibli's 90% of protagonists are females, Shiki is one of the most popular TM heroines thanks to her movies, and let's not forget characters like Sakura from CCS. A LOT of anime movies have female leads and they're just as successful. All these characters are not heavily sexualized and protrayed in more relatable, human way, and they're popular because both men and women can relate to their struggles.

>Name ten female written female characters from top created anime.
Congratulations, you just showed how ignorant you are.

Sakura Kinomoto (CCS)
Winry Rockbell (FMA)
Chiyo (Nozaki-kun)
Sawako (Kimi Ni Todoke)
All of Sailor Moon's main cast
All of Utena's main cast
(In fact many mahou shoujo are this)
Haruhi (Ouran High School Host Club)
Chise (Mahou Tsukai no Yome)

Whether you consider any of these "top" anime is your own opinion, but all of these were (and some of them still are) popular anime. I'm not going to bother to fill some list because you're obviously not knowledgeable enough to know that female authors have made a sizeable amount of successful anime and manga, and yes, with female protagonists.

Why is it that I wanna fuck Djeeta so badly?

Yeah man fuck female protags, it's always garbage. Unrealistic as fuck

How different would sakura have been in the hands of a competent writer

Sakura is garbage, but as far as I know there were better girls in Naruto. She was just shit.

Because otaku culture is much like Sup Forums culture.
the majority would immediately start crying about how men are superior to women in every way, and even some otaku who lives in his basement would be able to rape a trained warrior because men are always better than women right?

I can't self-insert as a girl.

You mean in the hands of those moeshit authors who just form idealized versions of girls without caring about realism? She'd be worse.

Kishimoto may have had insecurities about women but he is a wise man who faces his doubts. Hopefully he got over it by now, I think he had since there were some cooler female characters later in the series like Mei Terumi.

>even though everyone prefers a female protagonist

Oh hey, it's our "beloved" reddit spacing djeetafag. This just transcends all levels of autism into some new dimension of psychotic.


95% of current series with female protagonists are yuri or CGDCT with yuri, they always have the same generic repetitive story and plot (Girl meets girl and quickly turns Into lesbian after knowing her), focused on the same generic repetive cancer (e.g., highschool, moe, teen or girl drama, excessive and pointless yuri fanservice, yuri, moeshit, CGDCT, slice of life, SoL, school setting)

>Utena
I thought BePapas were all dudes

Name ten top female written female lead or even side characters in works that are not sol/drama sol or shlick porn.

Sakura Kinomoto (CCS)
All of Sailor Moon's main cast.
(In fact many mahou shoujo are this)
Of course.
Mahou shoujo. And it's littered with male written and created mahou shoujo. The most popular is created by women.

Winry Rockbell (FMA)
Top work, but she's basically a completely irrelevant character.

Chiyo (Nozaki-kun)
Sawako (Kimi Ni Todoke)
Haruhi (Ouran High School Host Club)
SoL

All of Utena's main cast
The most popular version of the source material is written and directed by men.

Chise (Mahou Tsukai no Yome)
Holy crap, that's real. I thought it was a fever dream I had once.

I stand by my post.

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i bet they'll have a bluray special episode where Gram goes to the beach with his ripped male crewmates, and lyria has been replaced with a jojo

Only feminists and vocal cancerous memelords actually want female protagonists.

>men write a male main character
>its a generic beta male with no personality that noone loves

It would be nice for there to be more cool female characters for tomboys to self insert as though.

imo it might be better when a man writes a female character and a female writes a male character, assuming they're good enough at writing to make the characters seem real.

not all men think the same, just as not all women think the same. but when writing someone of their own gender they might try to force their own ways of thought onto that character because they think its natural. when writing someone of the opposite gender that tends to go away and allows for more freedom in how the character acts.

Well how else am I going to self insert?

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This is assuming they don't stick to generally perceived notions on how all girls are or idealizing them into perfect angels to suit their cute girl fantasies.

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Fat neckbeards ≠ Everyone

because you aren’t watching shoujo or josei
nana and hachiko are two of the best written characters in manga/anime

Bunch of salty virgins in this thread

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Imagine how much more popular Dragon Ball would have been if Goku were a girl.

god their noses are creepy as fuck. it's like they're jack-o-lanturns and instead of having a normal nose with two nostrils, only have a single hole.

haven't seen this meme posted in a long time. I thought it was replaced by (you).

nope, its just a bunch of autistic men who self insert into waifushit

Anime was directed by a male director, manga was by a female author. If it's not a good example, you can throw in Nana instead (the anime was directed by a male director, but the source material is from a female author). Another example is the Cinderella Girls anime, which had a female director and writer.

You asked for female characters written by females, you had it. Now you're backpedaling throwing genres in or bitching whether they're not relevant enough. Just accept your argument was wrong and get over it.

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She's a retarded cunt.
She's a realistic female character. Just because she's stupid and does dumb shit doesn't mean she's not realistic. Just means she's an unlikeable character.
The notion that all women NEED to be likeble and beautiful(inspite of how much of a bitch she is or unattractive she is) etc etc etc on top of being walking advertisements of the movement that destroyed them is why females in most western media are mostly trash.

Want to know who likes Asuka from the famous(or infamous) work EVA?

Women. She's an average yet mentally fucked up bitch who spends 99% of her time desperatly trying to be loved while doing less then fuck all in the way of opening up or being a semi decent human being.

The only thing that would make anyone even want to put up with her is knowing a bit about her past and the people she spends most of her time trying to prove herself too know all of that and don't give a fuck if she lives or dies.

She's the typical spoiled cunt "heroine" that is completely oblivious to her own failings while being upset that no one worships and loves them while doing nothing worthy of it that litters the deviant art and personal web pages of tween girls and young adult women that should know better.

Do you seriously believe that Asuka could carry a fucking mecha anime? She'd be a "hidden gem" aka irrelevant lead to some long forgotten tv show.

>[citation needed]
If you ever went outside you'd believe it.

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