In Europe there isn’t even a debate on the walls and fences in Spain, Bulgaria and Greece as well as in Ukraine, Poland etc. At the EU outer border ALL politicians from all sides agree to have the borders protected, fences built and agreements for push backs with Turkey and Russia and Ukraine and Morocco implemented.
Why is this comtroversial in the US?
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I'm running out of any empathy for you as a human being and lose interest in anything you have to say the moment you use word "controversial".
>control of border isn't controversial in EU
Nigger
It's controversial to libshits because they think illegal Mexicans are Americans once they step inside the country and that the boundary between the two countries is more of a suggestion than an international border. So anything threatening their precious puppydog brown illegal immigrants, of course, means a totalitarian end to ALL immigration through a Game-of-Thrones-style gigantic wall that says no brown people can come in, ever.
Like everything in America, our liberals are a lot dumber than yours.
Source for debate on whether to protect the EU outer borders? Seriously, you will only find members of Pro Asyl and other communists arguing against EU outer border protection.
Here in glorious Denmark, where I'm from, we had retards going "muh schengen" because we had to seal off the infestation brewing in your "country".
And I remember the scoffing from the media and the EU when Hungary was setting up their wall. Just as I remember the typical leftist spin whenever "muh refugees" were detained/send back/obstructed.
People in the EU are sheep, mindless doing the bidding do their masters. People in America are loud-mouthed sheep and complain about things that are normal in other places. 16% corporate tax means now European countries need to adjust to new competition from the US
Because the country isn't your private property. They have a fucking RIGHT to come if they want.
we don't need fences, we have Germany :)
It's mainly the Mexican invaders ("Hispanic immigrants") who are against the wall, they want to continue their war to conquer the SW United States and complete their aggressive ethnic cleansing of the Americans who live there unhindered by any barrier. Also, the Democratic crime syndicate sees flooding the US with Mexicans and giving them gibs as a way to never have to lose an election again, damn the American people, so they have blocked any attempt to build a wall.
The wall should have been built decades ago and this country would be in a whole lot better shape if one had been, it's too bad GW Bush didn't use his opportunity post-911 to build one, but he pushed ridiculous and now discredited cuckservative opinions like "Hispanics are natural Republicans" and "illegally entering this country is an act of love" and other such nonsense which shows how truly out of touch with reality his type is, and why Trump now dominates the Republican party.
Honestly, since our parents failed to build a wall decades ago and prevent the "reconquesta" attempt by Mexico, and Washington DC for decades now has devoted all of its attention and resources to securing Israel's borders and ignored ours, our children will probably have to fight a war to keep the US together, or just concede everything west of the Mississippi to Mexico. Either way it is/will be, by far, the greatest tragedy ever to befall the American people.
>etc.
Everything is racist in the US. Like requiring voter ID.
Protip: It's about buying votes and nothing else. Worked surprisingly well for them, too.
denmark isnt glorious
Because we need more democrat voters silly kraut :^)
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Because it makes for political talking points and galvanizes one base against another.
If you really wanted to prevent massive illegal influx, you'd fucking hammer the company getting caught with the employees, thus leaving no desire to hire off the books.
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europeans are different
a Greek has nothing to do with irish or finns
That's rich coming from a dying nation.
We have debates about them too. The thing is only far left parties want them out. I think they aren't that controversial because we are not really relevant in europe and it's a fucking fence in Africa.
I am a Greek
>not shooting beanbags at everybody sitting on it
>t.mutt post
all actual americans want a wall, just mutts, beaners and jews who want to "debate" it
See
we Greeks are still alive
Its controversial because the left believes its racist to not let in hordes of shitskins. In our multi-ethnic paradise, anyone saying they don't want immigrants is saying they don't want more brown people and wish to save the current white demographic.
This is why the wall is racist. Because it ensures that white people will not become a minority in America.
yes, with turkish blood running through you and EU money in your pockets
>not shooting bullets at anyone climbing it
Greeks are direct descendants of Greeks
science > diaspora shitskin in canada
Props to the dude who climbed the lightpole.
>Why is this comtroversial in the US?
Because also is in all these countries, because the commies want that migrants to push their agendas, and the businessmen also support that because they are cheap labor
that graph proves my point, my very brown med friend with the nerve to call anyone a shitskin
What point you subhuman?
You are all shitskins to me until you post face with timestamp.
Niggers running athwart the law, you say? Hahaha
Since when is the Danish-German border an “outer EU border”. Learn geography.
Hungary was criticized for not complying with law. Also, look on a map. Hungary is surrounded by EU states with the exception of Serbia, which is an EU candidate.
The relevant borders are in Spain, Bulgaria, Greece and towards Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.
If you think about it, a shotcup is kindof like a bean bag that's open on one end.
Check a map, Burger. Hungary is more than a thousand km from the actual EU border with Turkey.
>Since when is the Danish-German border an “outer EU border”. Learn geography.
Have I made any mention of such?
Yes you have. You talked about the Danish-German border in a thread about EU outer border fences.
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Wonderful argument. It still is the case that every single EU politician and leaders of EU states are for securing the EU outer borders including fences and push backs. For Christ’s sake, Merkel is paying billions to Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece and Libya to stop migration.
>Wonderful argument.
Not my fault you come in here with a chip on your shoulder.
>Merkel is paying billions to..
You mean YOU are paying.
And if any of it was actually true we wouldn't have the "refugee"-crisis to begin with. Not to mention they're not coming by land, they're coming by sea.
>It still is the case that every single EU politician and leaders of EU states are for securing the EU outer borders including fences and push backs
Fuck off, they're not. The hungarian fence was blasted as nazi continously.
That's violating the NAP you fucking faggot. No wonder why nobody takes ancaps seriously
Because
>no justice
>no peace
>no racist police
and probably because trump said it
if Obama or like Rubio said it probably would not be controversial at all
but since fucking a white male said it it becomes racist
Because a sizable portion of the population is constituted of foreigners. The wall was a pretty standard, uncontroversial policy "supported" by both parties until about two decades ago.
Similar situation in respect to voter id (believe it or not, ids are not required here, and support for id laws gets you branded a racist)
Mother fucker, Wales is trying to be a sanctuary state and Scotland is trying to succeed from the UK to join the EU (Read: Mamma Merkal’s mudslime ranch). You of all people should know that mainland Europe is eighteen shades of FUBAR due to unlimited and unchecked immigration laws. The only people who are being sensible about immigration atm on our shitty continent is Poland. Daft kraut
SECEDE not SUCCEED.
I think, succeed is right in the context.
Ty leaf.
The true MVP
Because minorities and hispanics are a large proportion of the american population now. It wouldn't have been this controversial if it were made in the 70's
Lybia and Algeria needs a wall along their south borders. It will probably never happen unfortunately.
Look at a fucking map, idiot. Hungary is in the middle of Europe. The EU OUTER borders are in Bulgaria and Greece. What possible purpose does a fence in Hungary have, long after the illegals already crossed several European countries??
Nope. They don't have a right, a country can decides if they welcome or not citizens of other nationality. Israelis can't go to Lebanon for example.
Celts are a spiteful group of people who would destroy themselves to injure the Sassenach, which explains why they've been pushed to the margins of Europe.
>What possible purpose does a fence in Hungary have
You're a fucking retard.
To keep illegals out of Hungary, obviously.
It's almost like Hungary/Poland/Romania/Czechia don't give a shit if the rest of Europe has to deal with their own fuckups.
>And if any of it was actually true we wouldn't have the "refugee"-crisis to begin with
Wow, you should teach logic.
2012: EU outer borders are massively open, no fence and very limited border controls in Greece and Bulgaria to Turkey. Illegals flood in all the time.
2015: crisis peaks, billions are committed to stop illegals, border patrols are increased 4 times, fences built, agreements for push backs with Turkey implemented
2016: illegal crossings from Turkey drop 95 percent
2018: Dane on Sup Forums “how come the fence built in 2016 and 2017 didn’t stop the migrant crisis in 2015??”
To keep shitskins out of fucking Hungary you stupid faggot.
>To keep illegals out of Hungary, obviously.
And that is a solution for Europe how? The illegal population in Serbia is around 5,000 - it has been constant for years now. Still over 200,000 crossed through the Balkans in 2017, reaching Germany and Austria, Switzerland etc.
Tell me how the Hungary wall helps, faggot.
Trump's wall is controversial because American women don't like being told "No!" to sucking an unwashed brown penis of a Latin man.
A Hungarian border wall helps Hungary, not Europe. Other European countries need to do their part. Look at Italy. They practically INVITE thousands of people to cross via boat. That's not Hungary's problem. You are blinded by collectivism.
It's considered bad to deport illegals over there. People are fighting for abortions after 24 weeks. There are some weird believes in America's left wing(as well as in their right wing)
It's always so rich seeing germans talk about this.
Do you just forget that it was YOUR "leadership" that was the result of this?
>Wow, you should teach logic.
But I'm obviously talking to a "migrant".
somebodys gotta vote for the democrats. with a fence, how else will they artificially inflate their voter base?
Every nigger who jumps that fence costs EU minimum of 100k per year.
It would be cheaper to give Cueta back to morocco.
the greedy shits refuse to do anything that doesn't have a ridiculous amount of constant profit coming off of it and into their bottomless pockets
so
no wall
because there's no plan to turn it into a huge revenue stream
that's it
they don't give two shits about national security
its all about the MONEY
Because immigrants vote for the democratic party, domestic liberals are literally dying out due to their low birth rates and the "native" population has gradually moved to the right to the point that Republicans would have won every election in the past 20 years if only White people voted.
To rectify this, import millions of immigrants who in turn vote for the Democrats who let them in. So, stopping that immigration, with a wall or harsh deportation laws is fucking up the Democrats plan thus it's "controversial" within their ranks.
In Europe we have Europeans who want to keep out shitskins, in America you have mutts who want to keep out other mutts.
>They already have a wall
>The wall does nothing by itself
>Trump making claims like “Mexico is going to pay for it” is ridiculous.
>There are much better alternatives.
Even just reinforcing the guards on the border would have been better. The wall is just pure autism.
Also majority of illegal immigration happens due to people overstaying visas. Wall will likely have 0 impact.
Liberals value the lives of Black people and foreigners more than the lives of White people and Americans. Source: wired.com
Did you read this article or do you just post it because of the inflammatory headline?
The article is fine. It’s a tweak on the trolley problem that involves racial prejudice.
Actually it's because no human is illegal
Their right to life is not what people are arguing against.
Best would be to eliminate all forms of welfare and mandate identity checks against government identity and citizenship databases (e-verify) for all employment, housing, and education. Once there’s no incentive to hop the borders, illegals will stop coming. No fence needed.
No but their status can be.
Out!
Eliezer "Elie" Wiesel KBE (/ˈɛli viˈzɛl/, Hebrew: אֱלִיעֶזֶר וִיזֶל, ’Ēlí‘ézer Vízēl;[2][3] September 30, 1928 – July 2, 2016) was a Romanian-born American Jewish writer
Well, time to get in your house and stay in your house.
just take the good ol berlin wall as example !
merkel tends to forget how good the border in east germoney was !
That sounds really dumb.
For one, I don’t think it would stop people from coming over.
And two, I don’t think you want to sacrifice quality of life for legal citizens to reduce illegal immigration.
> Weisel
Juden. Anything else?
sometimes I think it could be fun to be wrong at least part of the time
but no
A wall is a dumb fucking idea, as a German you should fucking understand that.
Legal citizens should work for a living. Only niggers and trash take welfare.
Because we're pozzed and literally the only thing both parties care about is getting as much cheap third world labor as possible for MUH GDP
No, the left doesn't want to send the message that Hispanics are "lesser" than others. They want everyone to be treated with equal respect. When the right-wing youtubers were asking "what are the women even protesting?" last week, well it was that, they were protesting "hate" in general.
The democratic party is in fact for border security. Check it yourself.
>A Hungarian border wall helps Hungary, not Europe.
No, it doesn’t. Hungary has literally no refugees. Never had any. Like a few hundred. Nobody ever wanted to stay there, not now, not 10 yrs ago and not in 10yrs. It is simply too poor.
Every single cent spent on “defending” the Hungarian border would be better spent on actually making sure the actual EU outer borders in Bulgaria, Greece, and towards Russia/Ukraine are secure.
It is literally as retarded as our checks towards Austria. The illegals in Austria are exactly the same problem as the illegals in Germany.
That's your fucking problem, we get a wall so we don't have to look at half a million "refugees" cross our border illegally, costing millions in damages, because you had a weeping heart in Germany and told them they'll be taken in.
Its your fucking problem now, deal with it.
And why should Germany get to tell Hungary not to build a border wall?
If other countries want to fortify their borders, I fully support that. It's not Hungary's responsibility to defend anyone else's border.
>They already have a wall
Ever looked at the fences they have at 1/3rd of the border?
>The wall does nothing by itself
bs, look at the walls in Israel.
>Trump making claims like “Mexico is going to pay for it” is ridiculous.
it is not, NAFTA is being renegotiated, and a Mexican commitment to border security is part of that negotiation.
>There are much better alternatives.
Name one, yes, name just one single alternative to a border barrier to Mexico to stop illegal migration.
Every single one is pushed back to Morocco. No joke. Spain isn’t fucking around.
Again, how was a fence in Bulgaria built in 2016 and 2017 supposed to stop the 2015 migrant crisis.
Explain this you genius.
>Name one, yes, name just one single alternative to a border barrier
I already did.
>And why should Germany get to tell Hungary not to build a border wall?
It doesn’t and you won’t find a single source where Merkel said Hungary isn’t allowed to build walls or fences.
But what Merkel repeadetly told Hungary is that it makes 0 sense to build a wall to the EU states Croatia, Slovenia and Romania and to the EU candidate Serbia. Why doesn’t Hungary send its fence building force and border patrols to Greece, Bulgaria and Romania and to the Hungarian-Ukrainian borders? There checks would ACTUALLY make sense.
>If other countries want to fortify their borders, I fully support that. It's not Hungary's responsibility to defend anyone else's border.
But it actually is! They signed Schengen and in there it says black and white that all Schengen countries commit to securing the EU outer borders! It also says that border barries to other Schengen countries are illegal. Hungary is free to leave the EU and Schengen any time, but until then they are supposed to stick to the legal agreements they volutarily signed.
No, you did not.
It stops the migrant crisis of 2017, 2018, 2019
And why don’t you send a single soldier to defend the EU borders? You do understand that not a single illegal would come to your country if the outer borders were secure.
Your suggestion is as retarded as a border wall between California and Oregon, instead of to Mexico.
Again, that's not Hungary's problem. You said it yourself: Hungary is poor. It'd be CHARITY to "send" their fence building force. You want to hire Hungarians to build border security in other countries? Hey, that sounds fantastic. Where's the funding?
This. I've had conversations with several people who didn't even realize that the border crossing checkpoints would remain open.