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Why do you hate us
Gabriel Cook
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Julian Gray
you guys are more utopian than communists.
Thomas Moore
you treat the freemarket as god and reduce everything to a mere economic question
Owen Garcia
WHO
WILL
BUILD
THE
ROADS
Brandon Wright
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Adam Adams
What else can you question
Brody Allen
Is there anything that exist in the world that doesn't have jews involved? I mean the Nazis had jews in the party.
Dylan Martin
I don't know. What else is there other an economic questions.
Nicholas Harris
Companies
Brody Brooks
Because 90% of ancaps don't know how radical their ideology is and how close to fascism it actually is.
R E M O V E J U D E N
Adam Johnson
retarded meme ideology, even nazbol makes more sense. anarchism and capitalism contradict each other in every conceivable way
Grayson Morales
why will they build them?
Henry Scott
I'm including your ideology in my book series. You'll be happy to see Corporate Somalia with its child sex soldiers and pug human hybrids.
Evan Morris
to make profit
Eli Edwards
idk. SOME government control is needed to bust monopolies and keep the playing field at least somewhat level. It's a slippery slope though, between what regulation is needed and what isn't) most.
Connor Wilson
>toll roads every 4 feet and if anyone is on the roads that didn't pay they get shot and organs sold on the market
Levi Foster
>implying people would no longer want to travel around if there was no government
Ayden Murphy
McLoving™ that patent idea user.
Brody Brown
>reduce everything to a mere economic question
But that's wrong, you fool.
Liam Sullivan
Because your a faggot
Owen Lopez
I know exactly how radical ancap is and it's one of the things that compelled me to it to begin with. An ethics system based in the continuation of our forefathers philosophy and example, but with all the fire, if not more, than fascism. I used to be a fascist, but now I'm ancap, because if the State is the ultimate parasitic tool upon man, and the Jew is the ultimate parasite of man, then it is only natural that the Jew would be the master of the State.
Removing the State removes all avenues by which kikes control us. All the better that the ethical system fully justifies such violent overthrows of the existing States.
Adam Sullivan
In a perfect world I'd be an ancap faggot. Unfortunately this world ain't perfect.
Austin Powell
No one hates you.
You guys are the cocky ones.
Dominic Green
In a perfect world Communism would make more sense.
Camden Cook
>certainly
Easton Ross
When you get set up by a commie, you know you fucked up. Also commie vs. ancap is the monster fight of the century.
Eli Thompson
papa? you're alive?
Andrew Robinson
That
Gj commie
Dominic Harris
No it wouldn't. Unless your definition of "perfect" is turning men into ants.
William Bell
stay there, engels will pick you up with his hungermobile
John Adams
who is engels?
Camden Jones
A faggot
Liam Stewart
Because your ideas are beyond retarded. Everyone by age 6 realizes that ancapism isn't how the world works. Humans dont thrive in chaos because their rights are infringed on by others
Evan Miller
>In a perfect world Communism would make more sense.
I assume the definition of communism would change in a perfect world because what you people believe in would just be known as what it really is, i.e. theft and murder, freeing up the term for some sort of voluntary communal solidarity.
Mason Kelly
It is literally how the world works on the international level. You're experiencing it as we speak.
Robert Campbell
>definition of communism
define it.
Henry Richardson
I've yet to hear a convincing rebuttal to the statement, "In a world of collectivists the individualists will perish."
Successfully rebut that and my dislike shall diminish.
Robert Ortiz
Collectivism is at odds with human nature. Look at every collectivist attempt in human history; it's failed miserably after a time.
David Diaz
Theft and murder while autistically screaming that private property is illegitimate and that your victims are the actual thieves for not sharing with you.
Elijah Garcia
BECAUSE STATE OR NO STATE THE BOURGEOISE WILL FUCK YOU. DOUBLY SO IF THERE ISNT EVEN A STATE TO PREVENT THEM FROM RAPING YOU FOR YOUR LABOR YOU STUPID CAPITALIST SHILL.
Nicholas Stewart
New Harmony, Indiana (1825–1827)
Oberlin Colony (1833-1843)
Utopia, Ohio (1844-1856)
Socialist Community of Modern Times (1851-1864)
The Paris Commune (1871)
Home, Washington (1895-1919)
Equality Colony (1900-1907)
Strandzha Commune (1903)
Saint Petersburg Soviet (1905)
The Soviet Union (1917-1918)
Alsace-Lorraine Soviet Republic (1918)
Spartacist uprising (1918-1919)
Free Territory of Ukraine (1918-1921)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Bavarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Limerick Soviet (1919)
Bremen Soviet Republic (1919)
Biennio Rosso (1919-1920)
Ruhr Uprising (1920)
Kronstadt rebellion (1921)
Life and Labor Commune (1921-1937)
Anarchist Shinmin (1929-1932)
Revolutionary Spain (1936 – 1939)
Peasants Associations in Korea (1945-1950)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–1992)
Rural China (1948-1950)
Hungarian Revolution (1956)
Republic of Cuba (1959-Present)
May 1968 events in France (1968)
Czechoslovakia under Dubček / Prauge Spring (1968)
Chile during Allende's government (1970-1973)
Jamacia under Manley (1972-1980)
New Jewel Movement / PRG in Greneda (1973-1983)
Seychelles under René (1977-2004)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (1979–1989)
Marinaleda, Spain (1979-Present)
Burkina Faso under Sankara (1983-1987)
Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities (1994-Present)
Oaxaca Commune (2006)
Democratic Federation of Rojava – Northern Syria (2013-Present)
Hunter Lopez
Almost all of human history is collectivism. Tribes are collectivist, Islam is collectivist, Judaism is collectivism. Pretty much everything is except you guys, which is why you're an undermining force within our group. Your existence undermines our ability to act as a cohesive unit in defense of our interests, that's why I criticize you guys.
Carter Foster
To be clear though, if there were no outside threats to our nations I would have no criticism of you guys just fucking off and doing what you want. But as western civilization is under siege it sure would be nice if you guys put your shields on the line as in the end our fates will all be shared.
Ryder Powell
>Why do you hate us
Because (((their))) endgame is a global communist superstate and individualistic ideologies that teach people self-dependence and self-reliance like AnCap and libertarianism are an alpha tier danger to the agenda.
The shills that spam pol have adopted a strategy of associating AnCaps with pedo child sex slave profiteers and free drugs and nuke anyone who violates the NAP and it has worked. The echo chamber that is pol is now perpetuating these ridiculous strawman memes like they reflect reality.
Actual pedos like Jimmy Savile never advocated AnCap, obviously.
Pol can't do economics and is very much bluepilled on the reality of money and debt
Brody Nelson
you are fucking deolusional if don't think your utopia won't devolve into oligarchy.
Caleb Powell
well said
Charles Collins
I did violate the NAP
Evan Hernandez
>Removing the State removes all avenues by which kikes control us. All the better that the ethical system fully justifies such violent overthrows of the existing States.
Evan Wood
Libertarianism is actually anti-utopian. We believe the state is inherently as corrupt as any business could be, and very often it's worse. Those who believe that government beauracrats who will selflessly work for the 'public good' are the real utopians.
Eli Cruz
Like I said, all miserable failures.
You seem to misunderstand the philosophy. It's not advocating a hyperindividualistic, every-man-an-island society. It is the consistent adherence to and enforcement of private property rights. That's it. Anything beyond that, you're free to engage in as you please. Hoppean/Rothbardian ancap (which is the predominant version found on Sup Forums) promotes strong familial, ideological, religious, and racial ties. The more homogeneous the society, the more stable, peaceful, capitalistic, and prosperous it can become.
If it is as you previously claimed, that a more collectivist society will defeat a less collectivist one in the long run, why haven't the communists won already? They are far more collectivist than western countries, so they should have dominated, no?
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Jackson Bell
Nothing wrong with Libertarians. It's anarcho-capitalists.
Jace Bailey
>Like I said, all miserable failures.
Why were they failures?
Liam Roberts
Because they were either unable to fend off external attack and subversion, or degenerated to such a level of poverty and economic despair as to implode and be replaced with a more capitalistic and individualistic system. In most cases, both.
Joseph Rivera
>Because they were either unable to fend off external attack and subversion
America can turn every single coutnry that exists into nothing. Just because America could nuke Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore would that make the economy of the countries failures when the did?
>r degenerated to such a level of poverty and economic despair
Which ones? The first four don't count because that was before Marx.
Jace Phillips
To actually function on a macroscale and not descend into communist style shithole one needs effectively endless unclaimed free space.
Basically age if exploration make your own colony shit.
So pray for eccinomical and efficient mass space transport. Until then its not really viable in a closed system like ours where the power dynamic is skewed towards fucking other guys over to maintain your spot instead of telling them to fuck off someplace else and do it on their own or pulling the same stunt if you are dissatisfied.
Justin Cooper
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Lucas Phillips
What? We're not hated at all, shill. Ancaps are perfectly well adjusted here and Hoppe is the final redpill
Camden Reed
That literally doesn't answer the question. How will you build the roads in Ancap society.
Colton Baker
You guys aren't hated. More laughed at like when a 14 year old finds communism. He will grow up one day.
Eli Bailey
>the state doesn't profit from, support and enable the bourgeoise boogieman.
Brandon Russell
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Michael Russell
your fancy words dont answer my questions
Luis Fisher
The same fucking people that build them today will build them in a stateless society
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Cooper Adams
>would that make the economy of the countries failures when the did
That would make the political systems of those countries failures in those circumstances, yes. It is plausible that under the right geopolitical circumstances, individual communes could retain prosperity and longevity. Same with ancap societies. Liechtenstein is a libertarian minarchist state with no military, and its head of state is a confirmed ancap, but it's unlikely that such a nation could exist for too long if it was on the African continent, for instance. But on a larger, nationwide scale, communism breaks down as we have seen time and time again. The incentives for normal human action just aren't there.
And economically, of course, communism is a mess, which is why all those examples were dogshit.
Whoever owns a piece of property can decide if he wants to build a road on it. Roads are a highly desirable service, so there is incentive to build an efficient road infrastructure in concert with other proprietors, so as to maximize revenues.
If you live in bumfuck nowhere and nobody wants to build paved roads because it's a waste of money, there are plenty of options. Pic related.
James Jackson
Yeah the workers are going to build the roads when google buys the roads and pays them to build it.
Asher Ortiz
Ancap is a a subset of libertarian that considers political legitimacy to be false. How a society without political authority could be constructed, if possible, is mere speculation.
Jose Turner
You guys don't understand externalities. You need the force of government to handle externalities.
Jeremiah Watson
>Same with ancap societies.
no it cant
>individual communes
each of these places had millions of people. Yugoslavia had the most with 22 million.
>Liechtenstein is a libertarian minarchist state with no military, and its head of state is a confirmed ancap
time and time again
I wonder why.
"Liechtenstein has been known in the past as a billionaire tax haven"
Oh thats why.
>communism breaks down as we have seen
when?
>communism is a mess, which is why all those examples were dogshit.
why
Christopher Rogers
>Libertarians. The government is essential for some things but not everything.
>Ancaps fuck the government we don't need shit let google run free
Elijah Price
Who cares if they hate us?
If they can graduate to an-cap, then they don't have the intelligence to be one.
There will always be slaves, serfs, royalty, and free men.
An-caps are free men.
Sebastian Price
lol you sound like a communist. join the real world.
Samuel Brooks
>let google run free
so you're against monopolies are you?
Blake Bell
it's not going to work on me. i already know the game
>the state keeps the monopolies up
>the business want the state
>no really you need to let the businesses be free from any state. trust me they wont become the new state.
Joseph Fisher
This. No really, this is the reason.
Joshua Bennett
>the state keeps the monopolies up
Also true but that's not it. It's the fact that the state ITSELF is a monopoly. It's the greatest monopoly in the history of mankind. They monopolise all essential services, they monopolise decision-making (they are the ultimate judge), taxation and their monopoly is exercised through coercion (PHYSICAL violence not obscurantist invisible boogeymen like "systemic oppression" and white privilege)
Parker Ross
I agree but getting rid of the state but leaving the businesses to have power is just contradictory. The businesses are going to become the state. Hierarchy is bad when it's the state but if it's billion dollar companies it's fine.
Hunter Miller
>no it cant
Great argument.
>Yugoslavia
Had crippling economic problems as a result of its central planning. Massive unemployment, garbage standard of living, shortage of consumer goods, capital consumption, and all the other things that are a hallmark of socialist regimes.
>"Liechtenstein has been known in the past as a billionaire tax haven"
And what is the matter with this?
>when?
Literally every time. Are you stupid, or just historically ignorant.
Evan Bell
>Great argument.
Literally saying the phrase "who will build the roads" and ancaps have no argument.
>Had crippling economic problems as a result of its central planning. Massive unemployment, garbage standard of living, shortage of consumer goods, capital consumption, and all the other things that are a hallmark of socialist regimes.
Source? My statistics say otherwise.
>And what is the matter with this?
The only reason it's free market is because it's the place where billionaires keep their money not because it's a society of people who want to live in a libertarian utopia.
>Literally every time. Are you stupid, or just historically ignorant.
Point them out please. So we can go over them.
Tyler Parker
A free market monopoly is an oxymoron. Free market is exactly the opposite. In such conditions, businesses that do not satisfy a reputable public image will lose customers and fail. Since no one is permitted to prohibit anyone from entering into any line of business and to compete with whomever, they will see their place in the market be taken away from them.
>Hierarchy is bad
lol no. pic related
Kayden Bailey
>reputable public image
This isn't true. Companies could be dumping waste in the ocean and we would never know about it and even if we did do you think the people would boycott apple and stop buying iPhones because they are dumping waste in the ocean. The majority of the people wouldn't know about it and if they did they wouldn't care. Do you think people now care about Google or Facebook infringing on their privacy by insane amounts? No one gives a fuck.
>A free market monopoly is an oxymoron
Natural monopolies? Should I continue?
Kevin Moore
>No one gives a fuck
To continue that. In an ancap world. They can go as horrible as they can afford to do. Google can't infringe into the illegal but that won't exist in Ancap world.
Adam Hall
>Literally saying the phrase "who will build the roads" and ancaps have no argument.
You've been given several arguments. You just ignored them in typical communist fashion.
>Source?
en.wikipedia.org
Just go through the citations. It's bizarre that you are not aware of how hard Yugoslavia fell. Although it was no Venezuela, so I guess by socialist standards it was a prosperous paradise.
> not because it's a society of people who want to live in a libertarian utopia
People voted to secure the right of every township to secede from the nation. They're pretty fucking libertarian, m8.
>point them out please
Point out the ones that were successful in comparison to capitalist nations, and we can start there.
Logan Garcia
>dumping waste in the ocean and we would never know about it
What you are claiming is that waste dumping is undetectable.
Whether that claim is wrong or wrong is irrelevant to the argument that all business need a positive public image to operate.
And the claim is wrong now, let alone in a fully privatised society where all oceans and land are privatised and pollution becomes costly to owners.
Eli Brooks
>You've been given several arguments. You just ignored them in typical communist fashion.
Which ones?
> It's bizarre that you are not aware of how hard Yugoslavia fell
Yeah fell when Tito died and things started to going to shit. It was great when he was alive.
>en.wikipedia.org
Can you out specifically what you are referring to?
>My sources
"From 1952 to 1965, Yugoslavia witnessed the golden age of its economy, rivaling Japan as the fastest growing worldwide economy24."
"From 1950-1985, only Taiwan (6,64 percent), Japan (6,26 percent) and China (5,10) produced Gross National Product (GNP) rates that exceeded Yugoslavia’s (4,46)25."
Source:balkanologie.revues.org
With the exception of Slovenia (which kept more "socialism" than any of the other Yugoslav republics) capitalism is an abject failure compared to socialism for Yugoslavia: voxeu.org
This coupled with the rise of fascism in the 90's, ethnic cleansing, and the war brought about by the transition to capitalism clearly shows that abandoning socialism was a complete mistake for Yugoslavia.
Indeed, the VAST majority of people in former Yugoslavia agree that socialism was a lot better: mojevrijeme.hr
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>Venezuela
Not socialist
>Point out the ones that were successful in comparison to capitalist nations, and we can start there.
You're are avoiding my question and we both know why. You don't have play that game. Just concede.
Cameron Fisher
>thinking the average Sup Forums user has had an economics lesson in his life
Adrian Harris
austrian economics debunked (redpill overdose)
TRIGGER WARNING: FACTS AHEAD!!
tl;dr
>gold standard is unstable and not a viable currency, susceptible to fraud and dependent upon mining
>they are openly anti-scientific, rely on "praxeology", they are philosopher at best
>dumb ideology funded by koch brothers think tanks to convince ignorant armchair economists
>every prediction they had is proven wrong
>they business cycle theory is wrong
>they don't use scientific method, no maths, no statistics, nothing, just speculation
>only used as political rhetoric by ron paul to rile up his gadsen-flag hillbilly voterbase
>all of peter schiff's predictions are wrong, he has been preaching doomsday for decades
>mainstream economics agrees with less than half of their policy
>literally no respects austrian economists today, abandoned as early as 1950's
>only good thing to come out of it was Hayek, who wasn't even Austrian since he rejects praxeology. He contributed to price theory, and added to the socialist calculation problem. Also his philosophy is superior and way more nuanced compared to mises/rothbard.
Christian Myers
top global econ journals, ZERO positive austrian results, all negative! outdated! wrong! pseudoscience!
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Juan Myers
i don't
Joshua Harris
want to learn REAL economics? no problem, open source PDF book
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Michael Robinson
This is good shit. Did you get this from somewhere or did you write it? I'm going to save all of this.
Isaiah Martin
Because what you promote is nothing more than a meme."Anarcho capitalism" does not exist as an ideology. It is just a childish prank.
Get off our board.
Kevin Cruz
>they don't use scientific method, no maths, no statistics, nothing, just speculation
Because economics is a deductive science, not an empirical one.
It's your philosophical principles that are corrupt and that's why your mainstream economics fails every time.
This is what you need to watch to untie the knot in your head:
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Lucas Rogers
who is rothbard you twat
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Mason Hall
politics is just a form of collective bargaining. saying its "false" is a rejection of history.
also assuming the NAP is a rejection of history. there is no general NAP between sovereign entities
Luis Long
You guys don't make sense with or without economics. Don't act like it makes sense on paper
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Jaxon Bell
the color yellow naturally instills anger so what did you expect to happen with a yellow/black flag?
Jaxson Rivera
what does red signal?