If the Civil War was about slavery does that mean nonslave states are free to leave?

If the Civil War was about slavery does that mean nonslave states are free to leave?

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yes

You don't even know your own history, it was about more than slavery.

does that mean your mental gymnastics are an attempt to absolve the confederacy of any wrongdoing?

Good

>confederacy of any wrongdoing?
like?

it means niggers were still slaves after lincoln bit the dust

The Civil War was about preserving the union and was made into a war over slavery by Lincoln to basically keep the europeans out, as siding with a pro-slavery state in a war over slavery was a huge no-no in enlightenment era politics.

No. All states are slaves to the fed.

Duh ebil confederates fighting for the principles of the founders

keeping their fucking noses out of the business of new states who voted not to be slave states.

Why would they want to add new states that would not be politically aligned with them?

I guess they wouldn't, but we were expanding ourselves into a superpower and if the people who settle in a new state vote to not have a barbaric practice like slavery legal in their state, I would say they have a right to do that.

And they have the right to leave the union if they are going to be a permanent minority

>be north
>try to overtake the south
>wtf y dont you want to be subject to our whims
>make the country nonwhite only 150 years later
Great job

Secession may have been due to slavery, but the Civil War was due to the North invading the South.

The South started it first. As soon as you left the union, war had already begun, not the other way around.

War didnt begin until the union wanted to bring them back in

Actually the USA and the CSA were at peace for six months before the Civil War started.

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It was a short peace that was doomed to expire in war.

No it hadn't, the North could've simply continued on without the Southern states and things would've been just dandy.

The Southern states were the ones who figured they could keep smuggling in niggers as slaves, allow them to breed and in some cases breed WITH them, and just keep this system going indefinitely at the expense of the local economy. As a consequence, the Southern states today have the highest concentration of niggers in the country.

I firmly believe that if the Confederacy were successful and became their own nation, they'd be another Haiti today.

Wasn't it Sherman who burned plantations thus devastating the southern economy and causing starvation.

Hey faggot.
This guy is right.
The south threw the first punch.

>implying the South did anything wrong

>The south threw the first punch.
So?
That does not mean I would want to go off and die for some stupid fort in a foreign country.

>The south threw the first punch.
-Vote to leave the union
-Peacefully leave
-Ask North to withdraw their military from our now sovereign territory
-They refuse and instead move to reinforce them
-Use force to get foreign military off our territory
The South did nothing wrong.

>foreign country

Top kek. Not a single country on earth recognized the CSA as a sovereign nation. They even petitioned to Europe but they wouldn't do it.

OK that still doesnt change the fact that I wouldnt die to keep them in the Union

Do you include failing to garner any form of international support, losing the war and surrendering in this statement?

No. If the federal government tells a state to stop doing X and the state says “screw you we are leaving the union” then the federal government has the right to make them stay by force. Plenty of people disagree with this but it’s the precedent Lincoln set. I think it’s a good precedent. Leave it up to the president to decide whether a state(s)’ secession claim is allowed. So yeah, could be over anything — but the civil war was because the southern states wanted to keep the slave economy going. Federal government said no, the south said they were leaving, Lincoln forced them to stay and to stop slavery.

>tells a state to stop doing X
what did they tell them to stop doing

>"You can't leave the union because I said so!"
Fucking yankees...

Do Americans know nothing of their own history? It was European powers who imported slaves. Upon gaining independence all the southern colonies banned importing slaves from Africa within a decade.

No.

Yeah no you are lying War began when you nigger loving faggots wouldn't leave our sovereign territory and tried to break the blockade many times

Slave smuggling continued despite the ban on importation. Even if it hadn't, the Confederate States were dumb enough to allow their slaves to breed, and even marry in some cases, so the African slave population was continuously growing regardless.

smuggling it was legal then everyone agreed not to import slaves anymore also answer the question does Maine have to right to leave the union

Quiet, nigger.

We would be paradise niggers working and all white people getting free income, but no you faggots up north wanted to send everyone to die in a factory

God you liberal faggots are hypocrites when ppl disagree with me I believe we should shoot them now wonder yall are communists up there

>it would be paradise if we had nigger slaves providing free labor to the kike plantation overlords while the few white people left were kept out of jobs

wew lad, are you one of those "we NEED illegals here to do the jobs no one here wants to do!" types as well?

Oh no a county with 17,000 people in is 52% black whatever will I do you do realize those counties are EXTREME RURAL right

I don't even see niggers where I live. Enjoy the fruit of importing niggers to do your work because you were too fucking lazy to do it yourself, and too jewish to want to pay other white people to work for you.

Faggot look at slave number in the late 18th century they were going down. Because cotton was barely profitable even with "free" labor the cotton industry lived and died with slavery. Which is why slavery exploded after the cotton gin which made the industry much more profitable.

>2000 census

slowpoke.mp2

Shitty bait but I’ll bite.
>Slavery
That is incidental. It was about states rights.

>it would be paradise because we would still have slaves working for us
>durr hurr no we wouldn't have slaves because slave labor was dying out!

Which one is it, Tyrone?

>the south has become more niggerfied since

kek

See whites didn't want to pick historical data backs this up I mean King Cotton dies after the end of slavery you could make more money doing a lot of other things. What you faggots fail to understand the huge demand for cotton was supplemented by its low price.

After 100+ years, each and every member of the Union is free to try sucession again with unpredictable outcomes. However, as a classical conservative I understand the forces in control of the capital city wanting to keep all of its territory, so the better game to play is 4th generation warfare.

God you are illiterate I have heard the cities are ripe with morons. 1. Look at how rich rome was because of slave labor it could have been same with the South. 2 Industry figured out how to make slavery more profitable in the early 1800's with the cotton gin. this caused a huge productivity boost for slavery make slave numbers increase.

>Be South
>Have a shit ton of tobacco, cotton fields
>Instead of importing indentured servants from Europe and pick your own cotton you import tons of niggers
>Breed them like fucking crazy
>Time comes when people want to end slavery and send them back to their countries so that we can become more self reliant and wouldn't have to deal with niggers in the future
>Get butt-hurt and throw a secession fit about "muh states rights" to continue slavery so you can keep importing niggers and breeding them like crazy thus exacerbating the nigger problem until America ends up like Haiti or other Caribbean colonies where the black population outnumbers the whites
>Start the civil war by attacking Fort Sumter
>Get BTFO
>Call it the Northern War of Aggression because you're a sore loser
>Kill Lincoln before he could send blacks back to Africa

Also answer the question by OP is Maine allowed to leave

Indentured servitude didn't work out it didn't pay enough see

Of the four states that provided Declarations of Causes outlining their reasons for secession, three of the four had more mentions of slavery within these documents as the most important justification for doing so.

Also answer the question if Maine wanted to leave in 1860 should they be allowed or crushed

nationallibertyalliance.org/files/docs/foundingdocs/13th Amendment.pdf

And so I aint saying the succession wasn't about slavery I admit it. The war started when you wanted our land back and show off how liberal you are to the Europeans.

Can a territory be allowed to leave would you allow Maine to leave in 1860

Preserving the ethical and governmental system deliberately put in place by the founders of the country.

>union states have a right to self-determination
>confederate states don’t
Lol

You fail to understand that there was a 6 month peace after the states left when you fail to object right then and there you admit that states can leave isn't the point of a democracy. We had a vote we had no intentions of invasion.

Someday I hope you realize the difference between succession and war.

Of succeeding from Great Britian you hipocrites the Founders repeatedly said that they would rather have states leave than have war.

Daily reminder that slavery existed in the Union before, during and after the Civil War. The last slaves to be freed were in the Union state of Delaware in 1865, months after the war had ended.

got to go see you shills later

Reread my post. I agree with you.

I pointed out that it was the confederacy which sought to preserve the American system designed by the founders. It was the Union which broke away from what they intended and hoped to impose that will on everyone else.

they wanted to be independent, not conquer the north. the system of government would have been preserved... in the north.

it wasn't about slavery. it was about preserving the union using freeing slaves as an excuse

GLOW IN THE DARK

>"Civil War".meme
INDUSTRIAL ZIONIST NORTHERN WAR OF ECONOMIC AGGRESSION

>muh "slavery™" cattle brand of historical illiteracy
50% TARRIFFS IMPOSED ON THRIVING SOUTHERN AGRICULTURAL STATES BY AILING INDUSTRIAL NORTH

>Emancipation Propagandafication
LINCOLN COULD BARELY PAY HIS IRISH AND ITALIAN CONSCRIPTS - EVEN LYNCHING HUNDREDS OF BLACKS ET AL. IN THE NEW YORK RIOTS - THUS, HAD TO COMSCRIPT "FREEMEN" AS SHERMAN SCORCH EARTH SOUTHWARD

>Southerners were slavers
LINCOLN HIMSELF HELD SLAVES, AND OF THE FOUR(4) STATES TO PROTEST THE 'CONSTIPATION PROCLAMATION', THREE(3) WERE NORTHERN STATES!

>"[...] I AM NOT, NOR EVER HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF MAKING VOTERS OR JURORS OF NEGROES, NOR OF QUALIFYING THEM TO HOLD OFFICE, NOR TO INTERMARRY WITH WHITE PEOPLE; AND I WILL SAY IN ADDITION TO THIS, THAT THERE IS A PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHITE AND BLACK RACES WHICH I BELIEVE WILL FOREVER FORBID THE TWO RACES LIVING TOGETHER ON TERMS OF SOCIAL AND POLITICAL EQUALITY."
-(((Abraham))) Lincoln (railroad (((lawyer))) and 16th president of the U.S.A.), Lincoln-Douglas Debates, Charlton, Illinois - Sept. 18, 1858

if you kept your inbreed mits off fort sumter you wouldn't have had an issue dipshit

Outside of slavery, a legal practice in the the USA at the time, the confederacy did nothing wrong.

Let me guess though, "muh founding fathers did nothing wrong and fought for muh freedom" while the south actually had legal legitimacy through a loophole.


Fucking yanks

>attacking a US military base is "doing nothing wrong"

civilwarhome.com/sumterownership.htm

Then why couldn't they leave if they were that much of an issue?

Oh wait, y'all needed tax money from the south and more political power

This

>southern army
>literally funded by zionist-controlled frogs (*Napolèon freed the kikes and gave then the 'Rights of Man' - allowing them to reëstablish the Sanhedrin {jewish council of jurospridence, equating to Shari'ah}; hence, zionism)
>even Lincoln was forced to print the "green back" in order to pay his troops, due to 35% interest demanda from (((banks)))

Amerimuttania has been played like shofar, against itself and its own interests, since c.1861

My god, you're a delusional fuck

Plus they were trying to spread their Afro.-plantations all the way to California, and that means for example, if they had suceeded, Denver could today look the same as Atlanta does.

The Constitution needs to be rewritten: anyone defending the current Constitution is silly.

It was hardly at all about slavery.

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>military based of a foreign nation close to shore
>ask to evacuate the fort
>north sends more supplies

>be future
>chinks build naval base outside of Delaware
>USAtriggered.jpg
>"...uh could you not have a base here?"
>chinks send more supplies
>USA fires
>be chink
>OH WHY DID YOU DO THIS?
>This is war dog

Your analogy is retarded because the fort was already there, and it was United States property no matter how you slice it.

This kind of nonsense post is the reason the Stars and Bars flag must be banned. You can't even appear to look sympathetic anymore with such loads of utter nonsense.

Robert Toombs, Confederate Secretary of State at the time warned against firing on Fort Sumter, stating that it “will inaugurate a civil war greater than any the world has yet seen. … It is suicide, murder, and will lose us every friend at the North. You will wantonly strike a hornet’s nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions now quiet will storm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal.”

What a nice example of a fake reason to do something. Just when needed.

Anyhow, Southern nationalists today are using a black and white flag to distinguish themselves from the useless clubs of nerds. Not that you would know that, Finland.

Either way, it is a fort from another country, irregardless of whether it would have been built then or not. The south would have done the same if the north started construction on a fort there.

The north sabré rattled their way to get them to fire on it. It was only a matter of time.

I'll go where the founders go, and they truly have abandoned D.C. And the union.

Secession is the most American thing one could do.

This. The Emancipation Proclamation did not mean anything to the Confederacy, but was really more about signaling to the Europeans, who were also going through their own abolistionist period, that the Southern states were proudly using slave labor and how immoral it was. This was an effective effort of keeping them out of the war and supporting the South, with whom they had been trading cotton and other crops.

The United States merely maintained a fort that was under their rightful legal control, as was their obligation to do. As I posted, the Confederate Secretary of State was smart enough to attempt to reason with higher-ups regarding the idea to declare war on the US by attacking one of their military bases, but his pleas fell upon deaf ears. The rest was history.

America seceded from Britain because it was 4-6 months round trip to get orders from H.Q. (London). I know "muh history" types get excited for reenactments but it doesn't interest anyone.

Honest to god, I'm a constitutionalist, but the union like then and now, is faltered and a shell of what it once was.

Restore the constitution through southern secession or the day of the rope, I'll follow the founders and the constitution to what it originally was supposed to be.

>inb4 strawman

Well, I guess everybody's gotta have a flag to go with their own particular set of historically inspired fake reasons to do things the way they want.

Everyone kinda knew what they'd get themselves into.

I really still don't know why they went through with attacking it? It wasn't a problem outside being a fort of another country right next to your coast.

Be nice if they didn't open fire, but oh well

>Secede because letters took months

Explain in further detail if you may

>tfw you live in a world where Dixie lost the war
not even American obviously, but it still hurts a bit

It's about regionalism, and doesn't have to do with history...