Ross Perot destroyed America by handing over the '92 election to the Bill and starting the Clinton dynasty

Ross Perot destroyed America by handing over the '92 election to the Bill and starting the Clinton dynasty.

Fuck this traitor.

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Oh yes, because handing it all over to the Republicans would have been so much better. See name field.

To push the point, WJC's corporatist economic policies, including NAFTA, were essentially handed to him by the Bushites. The 1990 Diversity Lottery and immigration cap increase was essentially handed to GHWB by the Ted Kennedy crew. Mainstream Republicans and mainstream Democrats at the time were hand in glove. The main thing the GOP was better on was gun rights, but Clinton gun control was long-run good for the gun lobby- it put a pep in their step to force out GOPErs on the fence.

What? George Bush Sr, of JFK assassination fame, gave America the Clinton Cabal with his stupid "No new taxes" lie.

Old Sup Forums remembers.

>thinking bush was the republican
umm no, sweeties. neokike infiltrator bush stole it from perot and based pat.

I actually never thought of it that way: on "no new taxes" GHWB either:
>1
Thought he was telling the truth, and was naively optimistic
>2
Was lying.
I dont believe 1. He never was an Ancap lolbert type, and surrounded himself with rather moderate economic advisors. Even Sununu knew this promise could not be kept. This leaves us with 2, thus handing over the presidency to his Iran Contra colleague from Arkansas.

damn how different and better our timeline would be if he had won and ended both the Clinton and Bush dynasties

WRONG. He saved America.

NOT REAL REPUBLICAN

every time

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>Bush sr not just a slick willy clone

The alternative was George HW fucking Bush, you pathetic cuck. How stupid are you?

President Ross Perot would have saved America you fucking piece of shit

This is just No True Scotsman with Republicans in place of Scotsmen. Republicans have put forward shitty people and shitty policies for decades. The GOPE was pushing CRAs from 1950 to 1970- look at how niggerd repayed them (since Dems took the spotlight with stronger CR bills and more gibs). Look at the 1965 INA for example: yes, there were more D votes than R votes for the bill- but there were more Ds in congress. What is interesting is that greater proportion of Rs in congress at the time votes in favor of Hart-Celler than did a proportion of Ds in Congress. FF to the debates between GHWB and RWR for the 1980 presidential election: they both cucked for annesty to childhood arrivals- with no border security or visa control stipulations attached. FF to Simpson-Mazzoli. Amnesty for 3M, with measures such as an early E-Verify that were weakly enforced, and mainly on competitors to RWR's donors at that. Dole, Gingrich and crew worked hard to purge the GOP of rhetoric and persons that could be construed as rayciss. W? We all know what a disaster he was.

Perot warned us of the giant sucking sound OP would make sucking dicks.

> starting the Clinton dynasty.

One grandchild. Some dynasty

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>"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
vs
>"read my lips"

Btw, while I'm on a history lecture, you know B A S E D GOP operative Roger Stone (his take on Watergate is interesting, btw. It at least makes more sense than the garbage they tried to push on me from k-12)? Well he saw Perot as splitting the vote against the GOP and for the Dems. Even though he is closer ideologically to Buchanan than the GOPe ,(as both he and Pat were Nixon men), he saw third parties as a systemic threat to the main bulwark against the Left-the GOP. He was tapped to kick up Pat Buchanan's IP campaign. Enter: Donald Trump (another guy probably closer to thr Nixon-Buchanan milieu than that W). He enters the race, alludes to PB being a NAZI, and leaves. PB implodes. His ideas lived on. In the end, Stone and Buchanan got on the Trump train, and Buchanan took no shame in writing for AmRen.

Bush Sr. was a Globalist. It is unlikely he would have reformed welfare. Clinton wasn't that bad of a President when compare to Bush Sr. (and he wasn't horrible). Ross would have at least shaken things up.

Clinton was great though
>pro-working class
>anti-immigration
>anti-war

The Bush-era Republican party was fucking insane, even Reagan was pretty bad with the amnesty bullshit

Now that is a man who should have become President. Especially instead of W. Think of a world with no Iraq war.

No, Republican voters destroyed America in 1988 by giving the nomination to Bush instead of Buchanan.

Moron - GHWB?!?

you just watch that netflix documentary?

>Dole, Gingrich and crew worked hard to purge the GOP of rhetoric and persons that could be construed as rayciss.
tbf, repubs really had no good retort for being called raysis, esp. to the main electorate of boomers that had been completely indoctrinated in cultural marxism at the time. Their play starting with Buckley was to convert lefty jews into becoming right wing. If Rockwell and the Birch Society types had been allowed in, wouldn't the majority of boomers have abandoned the republicans?

I could go deeper in post-WW2 GOP poz if you like, beyond Michael Anton's The Flight 93 Election. Say what you will about (((Paul Gottfried))), but he warned us about this. The Alt-Lite/MAGApedes are pawns in what he called "triangulation". (The concept has been studied and expressed long before him, but he did so specifically pursuant to the US party politics.)It's essentially a bait-and-switch, but imagine the bait contains a radio-frequency mind-control device that makes the baited fish attract other fish to their doom.
>Step 1
The GOPE(Neocons&Cuckservatives) adopts Populist&Nationalist causes,acting as a PRV/controlled opposition to the legitimate Dissident Right. The "wedge issues" and FUD tactics Styxcuckenhammer talks about, and talked about in "What's the Matter With Kansas" have greater explanatory power once contextualized in this light.
>Step 2
GOPE inserts its own failed ideologies and positions (e.g. conflating corporatist policies with free market ones)
>Step3:
GOPE fully alienates and disparages the legitimate Dissident Right. Gottfried's The Great Purge: The Deformation of the Conservative Movement is devoted to this, as is this Sam Francis talk: m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=E2eG0l52Au0
Example:
>Step1
An "America for Americans"/ policy is pushed. "Nation"-"building" is downplayed or even mocked.
>Step2
Slowly,the need for intervention is pushed."The protesting Iranians are like the Founding Fathers".
>Step3
Dissent is quashed. "Believe us or you're un-American"

The Reagan deal was "we will do amnesty now, and we will later do beefed up border patrols, more walls/enhanced security zones, require e-verify for every hire regardless of time or position, etc etc etc."

What happened is Congress fucked over Reagan on that. Just like the tax deals, where they promised if he'd just let them raise taxes, they'd cut spending as well on a 1:1 basis. Turned out Congress changed its mind after getting what it wanted, and only cut 1 dollar from the budget for every 16 new dollars raised in taxes.

The point: The USSR was more trustworthy than the American Congress on deals.

let me guess u heard that on fox news

Reagan also sold arms and training to Osama bin Laden and also is the reason 9-11 happened.

good info

Perot did give us Clinton. He only entered the race to fuck with Bush, because that is how much he hated Bush.

When the polls showed Perot was going to WIN the presidency, he got out, saying, "I just wanted to raise a few important points. I will not take the salary cut, nor put up with all the BS associated with having to put my companies into trusts."

When his disappointed voters mostly flocked back to Bush, he said, "Wait. I was just kidding. I am running for president."

And as soon as he was about to beat everyone in the polls, again, he said, "fooled you! Fuck being president, that job is for chumps!"

This in and out got enough GOP people pissed that they just didn't show up to vote, and confused a lot more, so they voted for him anyways, and gave us Bill Clinton.

But that was OK. Because when the Clinton's came into office, they tried to do Hillarycare, and that scared the nation so bad, we got a majority GOP house and senate, and they kicked buck on starting to reduce the government, leading to another big boom in American economy.

Just remember--- the media declared Bill Clinton, who didn't even have a majority of voters, to have a mandate from Heaven to transform America. When the public punished them for trying, he saw which way the wind blew, and went hard right from his old position, giving us a "moderate, caring" Clinton who took credit for all that hard work the GOP did in the legislature. Like Welfare Reform, which he was completely against until it was polling at 60%+ Americans being for it.

It was later presidents screwing over bin Laden that caused him to turn against us.

bin Laden thought that Reagan was so good, his shit didn't stink and he was just one step down from the Prophet at the time. It was when the US CIA dropped all support and just disappeared on bin Laden after supporting him and his rebels, training them, and giving them so many weapons that bin Laden felt like a pump and dump prom date, and got his mad on for the US, deciding it was the US, not the USSR, that was the central demon of the world.

There's a doc out? What's the name? I got this from the grapevine that surrounded Stone, Trump and all those guys. If there is actually further verification it would be cool to see.
Oh yeah some go so far as implicating Buckley as being a gatekeeper. That being said, at least before NR and WS became completely kiked, they had a lot of shitlords on staff, some of who are now in the HBD/AmRen crew. I agree that Buckley gave (((Claremont Straussians))), PNAC guys, and Republican Jewish Committee types the permission structure to operate, and muck things up for us.

Idiot. Bush and Clinton are the two heads of the hydra. Do you think the first election after the fall of the Soviet Union was going to be left to chance? Both candidates were on the same team - Bush in deep with the Saudis and CIA, Clinton an old Georgetown pal with Prince Turki al-Faisal, longtime Saudi intelligence chief. Ross Perot was sounding an alarm to the scam in his high-pitched silly way.

>Trump BTFO Bushes and Clintons
>Saudi Arabia immediately has US-supported coup, arrests royals and officials loyal to old cabal

Yeah Reagan and Bush Sr made promises they knew would never happen so when Bush Jr made pres Bin made his move

This board is 18+.

I'm an old neck beard and lived through it. Then I paid attention to the what the people in the administration said, and went back and verified it.

The truth is that the American Congress has kept almost none of its promises from its inception. Why? Simple, politics. When they promise "someone" they will do something about an issue in the next or future sessions, they are effectively giving you a "maybe/maybe not", and not a binding promise. Why isn't it binding? Because the next congress will have changed members, and what is important in each member's local districts may have changed.

Am I saying America breaks its treaties? Well, as long as you aren't a native american tribe, then it has a decent record of abiding by its treaties. But if you are dealing with Congress and they don't "pay up front", you probably will never see them keep their part of the promise to "do that later".

no, boomer cucks who voted for devil worshipper Bush destoryed america

No u rewrite history and basically your argument is that Reagan is the worst dealmaker of all time.

You don't cut revenues first, then promise spending cuts down the line. That's fucking retarded. Classic GOP.

I don't know about ole Ronny Reagan. There's different levels of mental competence to have been put forward during his presidency. Reagan did not have the reputation of a promise breaker, but shit changes, and there is nothing less honorable in the world than a country.

As for Bush Senior, I can believe just about anything regarding him. He was a long time CIA guy.

This wasn't in regards to Reagan's tax cuts. its in relation to Reagan's tax increases.

Dems wanted to raise taxes overall. Reagan wanted to stave the beast. They made a deal---Congress would cut 1 dollar in spending for ever 1 dollar raised in taxes. But they promised Reagan they'd do the cuts "in the future", in return for him allowing them to raise taxes. Congress instead only cut 1 dollar in spending for ever 16 dollars of tax increases.

Reagan says the two worst deals he ever made in life were the amnesty deal with Congress (because they didn't carry through on their side of the agreement) and raising taxes (because again, they didn't carry through on their agreement).

Reagan fell prey to the same thing most presidents do--- thinking 'future commitments' of Congress are something they can count on. They cannot. Because that will be a different Congress.

I too would like to know the documentary if any user could post it's name.

>dynasty
>only 1 president whose legacy is marred by a scandal
>1 secretary of state who didn't do anything consequential and failed to become president, twice
>dynasty
rly meks u thenk

These "deals" are made up memes from fox news but once again your argument is that Reagan was the worst dealmaker of all time

>No new taxes
Bush sent four budgets to the Democratic controlled Congress. They voted against all four. The 5th budget he sent included taxes. They passed that one & said Ah-HA!! Gotcha! Old-Old Sup Forums remembers.

The problem is, we didn’t find out until later that Bush was already part of the NWO Uni-Party Cabal. He handed over the Presidentcy to the Clintons without a whimper. It was all pre-planned.

I recently met a woman named Stockdale, I said ma’am, by any chance are you related to Admiral Stockdale? She said he was her Grandfather. I told her that he was a very honorable man, and regardless what the media said, she should be proud to carry his name. She cried & thanked me as she walked away.

For those too young to remember, Admiral Stockdale was Ross Perot’s running mate. He was deaf from getting his head beaten & smashed as. Vietnam POW. During the VP Debate he was asked a question, and his ear piece fell out. He fumbled the moment, and the media made an absolute fool of him. It was heart wrenching to watch them skewer this American Hero.

>all the back and forth of perot
I honestly don't remember this. The main negative I remember was the VP debates and how bad Ross's VP was. It was more cringe than any cringe thread I've ever seen on Sup Forums. I think this also had some effect of voters. Sure VPs aren't the Pres but they still need to be mildly competent and good cheerleaders for their guy.

Go choke on a cock.

Bought the WJC kool-aid (though at least IIRAIRA was better than anything concocted under GHWB's term).
Bought the RWR kool-aide. I don't think RWR ever intended on a grand bargain. Evidence:
>1
During his debate with GHWB for the '80 election, they both outright agreed to amnesty for childhood arrivals, and neither of them came up with the talking point of conditional amnesty (if and only if we get X, Y, and Z!)
>2
If he really cared about the mudding of America, he would have campaigned on legal immigration caps and restrictions, and/or pushed for them during his terms
>3
If he knew or cared how serious the mudding of America was, he would not wasted time sparring with Tip O'Neill over tax rates and budgets 11 times, but made some concessions to him on fiscal policy in exchange for controlled immigration policy. In fact during any one of those 11 standoffs, RWR could have sold TON on border funding and and such
>3
Simpson-Mazzoli gave amnesty not only to childhood arrivals as RWR endorsed in the primary debates, but others as well
>4
The enforcement mechanisms in S-M were poorly and inconsistently enforced by RWR and his administration.
>5
He appointed (((Greenspan))) to the Fed, who was at the time and even after RWR's terms were up a proponent of open borders and replacement migration.

found the boomer cuck

he was right though
the sucking sound was jobs leaving America as Clinton gleefully supported NAFTA and GAT
both Clintons and Obama have been perfect examples of the Rockefeller Republican branch of the "Democratic Party"
George Wallace was right too :Tweedeldees and Tweedledums

If Perot didn't drop out and get back in he could have been president.

Bill was a fine president. Much better than his wife could dream of.

however, the real third party choice is this guy.

you werent even alive OP. GTFOH.

Fun facts:
>1
Operation Cyclone actually started under Carter.
>2
There were other supporters of the mujahideen besides the US.
>3
The US was involved in the Proxy War/blowback game since- and before its founding (George Washington as a British officer reignited British-French-Native American conflicts in both the Old and New Worlds at Jumonville Glen. Later, the war of 1812 was sparked by US gun-running, pirating, and impressment schemes in the Atlantic.)
>4
The US never had, does not have, and never will have a monopoly on the proxy war/blowback game.

>RWR kool-aide
eh, I disagree somewhat. I don't think Reagan (nor the majority of conservatives) realized how bad it was or the effect illegals would have on the country long term. Later, Buchanon was even portrayed as an evil crackpot in media to normies. I don't it's "FauxNews" hype that Reagan lamented years later about his amnesty being the worst mistake he ever made.

I'm about to get ready for work, but I'll leave with these funsies:
Regarding GAAT and what became NAFTA, it was Barry Goldwater (R) that opposed them as "give-aways" to the international corporate class. He was more of a free.market guy than his main opponent who supported GAAT- JFK (D).
I'm with you on paragraphs 2,3, and 4. I disagree with your presentation of the tax deal in paragraph 1, and say it was actually more cynical- GHWB never expected the Dems to concede, and going to them all those times was political theater. Even Sununu admitted that the tax hikes were due to lack of revenue, not Democrat stonewalling.
3 actually, though the 3rd isn't a "deal" really. Back when he was Cali governor, he pushed for and passed the US's first no-fault-divorce law,which spread to other states like wildfire. He said he regretted it for the rest of his life.BTW I don't mind if the fault threshold is low (esp w. abuse), but such that children are under the marriage, it should exist and be held to by courts.
LBJ's guns (Nam) and butter (Great Society) spending spree was effectively a threat to Bretton Woods, established by treaty, that set the USD as the WRC. Euro investors that both had physical USD and parked their money in US debt (mostly treasuries) was worried about US creditworthiness and overall financial standing, especially pursuant to US ability to pay back debt-holders, principal+interest, in uninflated currency. They threatened to selloff US debt and convert USD to gold, as allowed under BW. Nixon and his men came along, and to prevent a crash, ended the gold window (essentially stiffing them), pushed the denomination of OPEC oil in USD, pushed the parking of OPEC surpluses in US debt,pushed trade with the PRC,&pushed the parking of PRC manufacturing surpluses in US debt. That was a huge and fairly recent breaking of international promises on the US' part. More recent?"Russia,we won't expand NATO encirclement :^}"

Bush was CIA. He was also a Bohemian Grove member, same as Clinton. Clinton was a drug runner. For the CIA.
Note that Bush supported Hillary at the last election and did not show for GEOTUS' inauguration.
Bush pushed through gun control via executive order. Clinton via legislation.

Ross Perot tried to stop the exporting of American jobs by the New World Order.
He never promoted women to executive positions because they should be raising families.

He was the Kobayashi Maru of the 1992 election. faced with destruction in every choice, a large part of the American people decided to go down fighting.

Not even Slick Willy's kid.
For all of his rapes, he has only one possible child, that half breed.
At least he was an equal opportunity rapist.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on how cynically we can view Reagan's presidency. Good point on Buchanan though. Here he is claiming that LaRouche was too out-there for him m.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dz8bp-_4Y (final commentary starts at 19:30), without realizing that his own party, shortly after, would treat him the same way he treated LaRouche. Tragic, really.

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A very nice summary, user. I knew all of that, but had never connected all the dots.

Have a good day at work.

>as opposed to the great redpilled jew-wise bush dynasty

>Regarding GAAT and what became NAFTA, it was Barry Goldwater (R) that opposed them as "give-aways" to the international corporate class. He was more of a free.market guy than his main opponent who supported GAAT- JFK (D).
>it was Barry Goldwater (R) was more of a free.market guy
>free market guy
The word you are looking for to describe people who oppose things like GATT and NAFTA is Protectionist.
I seriously doubt, however, that Barry (((Goldwater)))'s alleged opposition to these things was anything more than a posture intended to help the DC insiders play americans off against each other.