MGTOW V.S. TRADCONS

Tradcons are Machiavellian fucks who need others to be in the front lines for their problems and their backfired schemes.

They hate mgtow because they see it as a threat. They see it as a threat not because MGTOW is a danger to the white race, as they claim (they think we're all incel virgins that can't get girlfriends anyway) but because mgtow has been the tip of the spear of the gender realism movement and they resent the redpills (tradcucks call them blackpills as a defense mechanism) that we drop about women everyday.

It explodes their fantasy of using a political movement to find sensual bliss with a "redpilled woman" - which is all they really want. At any given time half of Sup Forums is full of threads about this fantasy. It's /r9k/ with a white nationalist motif.

The traditonal conservative in general is fundamentally and intrinsically pink pilled on gender. The bright side is, truth is irresistible and reality will set in over time and there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

>women are sluts
>I'm going to throw fuel on the fire and walk away
>the guys marrying virgins are the problem

yeah, you're a tactical nihilist. get your dick wet and die lonely. you wont be missed.

>muh virgin waifu!

Based Post.

This is the new age of men defining their worth, not by a woman...but by their own agency; their morality and their vision.

It's incredibly hard to do. Young boys are brought up to believe that their only purpose in life is to worship a woman; to be subservient to her. Otherwise he doesn't measure up. Otherwise he is cast out of society.

It's an evolution in process. An entire generation of men becoming "their own man" again. Not trying to "measure up" to the constant shaming that society rains down on them for not worshiping the new crop of Whore Women.

And it's beauty in action. It's starvation of the Clever Jew and The Beast. It's men taking control again.

>It's (((their))) worst fear.

Seriously though, if women being fickle sluts is an issue for you, the correct response is not to fuck them and discard them. That is just pouring gasoline on flames. Find a decent woman and train her properly. If you can't do that, accept that no one is going to do it for you.

You do not have the opportunity to "properly train a woman" in the Sick Society we live in today. She will simply sic the State on you until you fall into line.

Men are no longer empowered to discipline women. Our only effective avenue is to walk away and starve the Whore Woman of her money; her attention and her protection (and by proxy, starve the Clever Jew of his money and power).

It is the most effective weapon we have when society is designed specifically to exploit us.

Acknowledging promiscuity is an issue then fucking loose women is hypocrisy. If you can't find a woman worth your attention, that's on you. No one is going to give you one.

>>I'm going to throw fuel on the fire and walk away

It deserves to burn.

>Find a decent woman and train her properly.

if you have to train a woman to be a good woman, she's not a decent woman.
which highlights your delusion as much as your desire for a mystical unicorn virgin waifu which every man you shame will not get.

shaming is your stick, the virgin waifu based woma is your carrot, and when that virgin waifu sets the state on your ass you tradcon retards won't do anything for those men but double down on your shame tacics

Post yfw it's soon over for both tradcucks and the ovarian jews they worship.

>If you can't find a woman worth your attention, that's on you.

right social dynamics have nothing to do with it.

>No one is going to give you one.

I don't expect anyone to give me a pet unicorn either. so to you it on my fault to assume they likely do not exist at all.

my point is if the society is shit and the risks of associating with women are shit, as are the benefits WHY THE FUCK WILL I RISK MY TIME AND RESOURCES TOWARD SUCH A COMMITMENT.

...

You with it if you're part of the problem
Wrong. You sound like you want to negotiate with an equal. Women are not your equal. If all you can find are vapid whores and shrews, that's on you.

You should stick to video games. I hear that the nintendo switch is a popular toy for children. Spends your hard earned resources and time on that.

>If all you can find are vapid whores and shrews, that's on you.

so if all you an find at a store in venezuela is stale chips and water, rather than fresh meat and wine that's on me as well.

typical of tradcons to blame men for women's choices

>Women are not your equal.
>You sound like you want to negotiate with an equal.

you sound like a muslim.
but yea silly me for wanting a partner and someone to respect rather than child who can raise my children.

Obviously you only care about holes.

We have this same argument all the time of Tradcons versus MGTOW, and I'll ask one more fucking time. If the Tradcons want men to "man up" and marry a woman in today's society, then why don't you do anything about changing the laws around no-fault divorce, alimony, and child custody? You want us to sacrifice our lives when the system is set up against us. Change the fucking laws first then we'll talk.

why are you trying to create cultural tribes? That is a hell of a divide and conquer tactic.

yea at least video offer a benefit for what I pay.

>you trying to create cultural tribes

tradcons self identify as such as do mgtow dumbass

comparea nd contrasting ideologies is cslled logic. but you wwouldn't know.

>hurr durr muslims and buddhists aren't different why are you creating cultural tribes

Tradcons have to stop being cucked shills for (((them))). All my life the Republican party was made up of cucked tradcons, and at no point have they ever attempted to change the laws on no-fault divorce, alimony, or child custody, except to only make it worse for men and give away even more to women. They made this bed along with the leftists, I certainly didn't do it. Now they complain that I don't want to play a rigged game, well fuck them.

>Change the fucking laws first then we'll talk.

they know they can't do that with 56% voters being women and 40% pussy worshiping men.

then theres the question of the welfare state.

but these 1950's fantasy world retards think we should just go along as usual paying taxes and having babies to give them children to indoctrinate, just like the leftists.

Tradcucks are just the worst. They're like gay Christian preacher arguing against homosexuality.

>they know they can't do that with 56% voters being women and 40% pussy worshiping men.

Even in states that were dominated by Republicans they couldn't do it. There was an attempt to reform the alimony laws in Florida, where Republicans controlled the whole state, and they couldn't do it because the cucks in their party didn't want to offend muh poor womenz. It's all a scam and both parties have been in on ruining this country for too long.

>so if all you an find at a store in venezuela is stale chips and water, rather than fresh meat and wine that's on me as well.
>typical of tradcons to blame men for women's choices

Boom Muthafucka'

tl;dr
if youre MGTOW your an insufferable beta faggot who is a tumor to the white race and humanity as a whole. Kill yourself, i beg you.

>You want us to sacrifice our lives when the system is set up against us.

It is sweet music to my ears that more and more men are finally seeing the TRUTH of what they are up against. We've been preaching the Word for so long and finally they are hearing.

We are finally taking back what is ours. It is so fucking beautiful. The tide is turning.

>5 sentences
>too long

Nobody hates mgtow, we just think you're losers and you are. I don't hate mgtow just like I don't hate a dying rat crushed by a car on the street. Its sight is disgusting to my eyes, but that is its nature, to be crushed underfoot. Mgtow will cleanse themselves from the genepool, you are doing us all a favour.

How much to you get paid to post vapid and inflammatory nonsense like that? It it like mTurk where you get eleven cents for every Sup Forums post you do?

YES
WE
CAN'T!

A beta faggot is a person who throws away his life for a society that hates him. I'm taking ownership of my life. You can hand your balls over to your wife for her to destroy any time she chooses with the support of the state firmly on her side.

The main goal of life is to reproduce.

Tradcon fantasy- Norman Rockwell paintings, marble statues, renaissance art, clean and virtuous society

Countries where spiritual conservative values are basis of government- Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Iran, maybe Israel if we are feeling generous.

Like anarchists, they think problem is with systems when truth is manipulative, driven, amoral people can dress themselves up in any form and their systems to limit Vice will form as cover for rallying frontline support for ruling class regime. Evangelicals will support fascists and neocons alike

You think women are your equal and can't attract a mate. That's on you. I suppose it's easier to blame everyone else for your problem. "It's hard, I give up."

Accept responsibility for your choices. Don't get pissy if people don't respect you for your 'bravery.'
>pay
Have you only dealt with whores, user? You don't pay your mate. You're not making an exchange.
>change the laws
That's up to you. Take ownership of the problem. Don't be a child.
>all these married men are faggots
You're a child throwing a tantrum.

>we just think you're losers and you are
>you should be chasing pussy like us winners

funny coming from a brit who in less than a century watched an empire fall and the most popular baby name become muhammad.

>the genepool

Niggers, Spics, Sand Nigers, Corn Niggers... All the Degenerate Scum that white women are fucking these days and then getting Beta Bux to support from Daddy Government.

MGTOW are not only turning their back on women. They are turning their back on a system designed to exploit them.

>You do not have the opportunity to "properly train a woman" in the Sick Society we live in today.
yes you do you whiny little beta bitch. Just because youre too weak and pathetic to do so doesnt make it true for real men.
>Our only effective avenue is to walk away and starve the Whore Woman of her money; her attention and her protection (and by proxy, starve the Clever Jew of his money and power).
you literally sound like an autistic fucktard
>if you have to train a woman to be a good woman, she's not a decent woman.
ok then die lonely waiting for a fucking fairy tale princess. Go play with you nitendo switch faggot.

You are inferior genetically: that is why you can't court women, keep women, and spread your genes. Something went wrong. Your daddy should have pulled out and saved the earth from having to host a pathetic life form such as yourself. You are below rats in value.

Your'e going to die just as lonely when your wife divorces you, takes it all and raises your kid to hate you.

>"But that won't happen to me because I am real white man."

Nigger tier self-awareness, tbqhfambles.

>Oi! I wish da queen mum would shit in me face!

Shame and Ridicule.

You're not even trying. It's mechanical to you, like Copy and Paste.

Projection from a Roastie.

A last desperate gasp to shame for her promised Beta Bux before she ties a rope around her neck.

>Tradcon fantasy- Norman Rockwell paintings, marble statues, renaissance art, clean and virtuous society
These things exist.

>You don't pay your mate. You're not making an exchange.

being this blue pilled.

>You think women are your equal
taken from the feminst doublethink, women are like children you have to protect them and infantalize them, because it's men's obligation to do so. Which is solely to the womans benefit.

>The main goal of life is to reproduce.

then I guess 4th world jungle people are successful eh.

MGTOW is just a convenient excuse for dropping out of society.
Just admit you dislike social interactions and want to be a NEET. At least that would be honest.

>waiting for a fucking fairy tale princess.

meanwhile tradcons preach le conservative womyn and muh virgin waifu

You're not doing anything to fix the problem. By having kids and taking part in the system you are insuring your children will grow up to be indoctrinated cucks that keep the whole thing going. MGTOW combined with a hard line stance against mass immigration will starve the beast and bring it crashing down. The only way to fix things is to rebuild after a collapse and make sure women never get the vote ever again.

any amount of MGTOW drivel is too much.
fucking brilliantly stated m8
>paid to post vapid and inflammatory nonsense like that?
lmfao nonsense? its true, i dont get paid i dont need to be paid to call you out for such pathetic beta behavior. Youre literally a human tumor.
>throws away his life for a society that hates him.
what kind of delusional fantasy land do you live in?
>I'm taking ownership of my life.
no your acting like a misogynist loser becas you cant get pussy or be enough of a man that a woman would want to be loyal.
>you can hand your balls over to your wife
thats why your so pathetic, you tyhink its either be pussy whipped or alone, or you can not be a beta and have relationship where your the alpha. Seriously cut you dick off, its a waste on you.

>leaving a woman to raise your children
Oh, your daddy didn't love you or was a poor role model.

fucking brilliant again m8!

>they think we're all incel virgins that can't get girlfriends anyway
No I think some of you are manchildren that failed to lead your household and ended up getting a divorce

Why do you post Paul Elam if you're mgtow?
Asking for a friend.

>can't read or consider opposing views to ones dogma
>not a leftist

People that get laid arent this angry.

>image
That quote is some faggy-ass leftist shit
Never post here again

I don't treat my wife like a whore, no. I'm not engaging in a business relationship. You need to unfuck your perceptions, lad.
I'm ensuring my children grow up indoctrinated by me. Like a white man.

>You're not even trying.
>mgtow
kys
>meanwhile tradcons preach le conservative womyn and muh virgin waifu
im not tradcon but i know women even sluts can be good women if your alpha. I dont think women get tainted by sex becas im not an autistic retard. I dont need a virgin or a "good girl" becas im confident enough in my abilities to make a girl want to be loyal. What you betas fail to realise is most women wants a good man, and a family. Im not going to hide from society becas there might be a few sluts that never change (which you can figure out in a few days and move on)

>resorts to assblasted projections and ad hominemms when delusion is challenged

>yes you do you whiny little beta bitch. Just because youre too weak and pathetic to do so doesnt make it true for real men
Brad Pitt is one of the most desirable men on earth, and it happened to him. You aren't more alpha than the state, so cut the phony macho crap.

Paid Shaming Language Post.

MGTOW is about taking control of your life again and not letting a woman define who you are. It is taking the power back from the (((Sick Society))).

>I dont think women get tainted by sex becas im not an autistic retard.
>I don't believe verifiable facts because evidence and science are for betas

>Brad Pitt is one of the most desirable men on earth,
he is also a retarded hollywood liberal
I have never met a divorced man that was not a complete failure

>Uses the word misogynist as an insult along with more shaming language.

Pathetic roastie detected. It doesn't matter how alpha a man is with a woman, the state is always on her side and she can use it against you as a weapon any time she chooses. So a man thinking he is the alpha in any modern marriage is just fooling himself.

>>can't read or consider opposing views to ones dogma
>>not a leftist
im not listen to some beta preach about how we should all be autitic neets. Just like i dont listen to communist, the amish, or feminist. I know the belief, its pathetic.
>People that get laid arent this angry.
a leaf. I'm mad for the future of men and my race, no amount of sex will suppress this fire lmfao

>anyone sees a bunch of fucking cuckface nintendo switchbois who voluntarily abscond themselves from all duty and responsibility as a threat

TAKE BACK WHAT BELONGS TO YOU

>You're not doing anything to fix the problem. By having kids and taking part in the system you are insuring your children will grow up to be indoctrinated cucks that keep the whole thing going. MGTOW combined with a hard line stance against mass immigration will starve the beast and bring it crashing down. The only way to fix things is to rebuild after a collapse and make sure women never get the vote ever again.

This 100%

Our greatest POWER and STRENGTH is by not participating in a system designed to exploit us. It's called Passive Resistance. It takes little energy while at the same time being highly effective for change.

That will happen when you never leave your house m8.

>I'm ensuring my children grow up indoctrinated by me. Like a white man.

You plan on raising them in a bubble or inawoods? All your daughters will be whores and your sons will be soyboy faggots like you.

You are a losers, genetic waste, desperately clinging to rationalisations to escape the reality of your situation:
that you are loser that pretends he's 'going his own way' when in reality you had no choice but to go your own way, since no females want you, and you devote your life to obsessing about women, and you don't even get any pussy by the end of it. That's all you losers do, sit around in your little echo chambers whining about women like a bunch of beta soyboys. Even leftist losers can fulfil their most essential role as a man and procreate. Get some courage and do the planet a favour, kill yourselves.

>if your alpha
>believes broscience anecdotal alpha beta dichotomy

alphas comprise minority 10-20%, that leaves 80% of men who support the system doing infrastructural labor andd paying taxes,

>I dont think women get tainted by sex

ignores mountain of evidence to the contrary

keep blaming other people for your problems

>change the world
>by doing literally nothing

Peak slacktivism. So easy, even a woman could do it.

"Cut your dick off"

Only bitter Roastie Whore women talk like that.
I can't wait for female suicide rates to go up.

Cleanse the world of this scum that expects us to pay the price for their lifetime of bad decision making.

Ok then women invite in refugees and Jamal and Muhammad impregnate all the white women they want.

>don't shame the helpless MGTOW
>your children will be degenerate

This is how I know you're just a child in a mans body.

>LOL JEALOUS TRADKEKS?
>extinction intensifies

>no one would ever call out my anti social internet cult bullshit
>its paid shilling!

No, MGTOW isn't about taking control of your life. There are but a small handful of men who have had absolutely abhorrent things happen to them, the rest of you just use their experiences as excuses. You're fundamentally no different from any NEET, you're no different from the millennials who play video games all day and spurn real life relationships.
MGTOW is an ideology that exists because it provides people with an excuse. You wanted to drop out of society well before you came to the movement. This is all simple justification.

NEETdom and other social ails are products of modernity, and MGTOW is no different. You aren't taking control of anything by wallowing in the symptoms, you sick retard.

>Brad Pitt is one of the most desirable men on earth, and it happened to him
pitt also doesnt shower and hes a celeb. Life is different for ultra famous people, maybe mgtow would work for them (not really) but for normal people its one of the dumbest beliefs ever.
>>I don't believe verifiable facts because evidence and science are for betas
where your facts and science retard?>she can use it against you as a weapon any time she chooses.
why would she do that unless you were a pathetic beta who couldnt please her? again what fucking world do you live in?
>alpha in any modern marriage is just fooling himself.
spoken like a true beta, cut off your balls.

Sup Forums doesen't like mgtow.i find this quite entertaining since 90% of faggots here like 2d women.
As far as I know the majority of mgtows are guys who've been married and done their part and reproduced.
Correct me if I'm wrong?

>majority of mgtows are guys who've been married
Why would I take marriage advice from someone who failed at it?

Has a girlfriend for over a year...

>Muh Girl is LOYAL
>NAWALT
>NAWALT
>NAWALT
>NAWALT
>NAWALT!!!
>Blather Blather, Blather, she'll never leave me. Women are not hypergamous. You're all fagGGgGGGGGgoooottts!

>alphas comprise minority 10-20%, that leaves 80% of men who support the system doing infrastructural labor andd paying taxes
where the fuck are you getting those stats? lmfao any man can and should be an alpha, the rest will die off.
>mountain of evidence
where is it? behind your extra chromosome?

these niggers get it.

tradcons do not.

mgtows think future tense what works for every man uncollectively.

monastaries stand 1000's of years preserving knowledge and setting and example.

tradcons think about a social order that was abandoned which barely worked in the past and try to get it back literally rose goggles.

collective societies fall all the fucking time.

whats funy you worship the losers like the nazis, while mgtows respect the monks that are still there keeping the fires lit.

fatties and Millhouse dad's mainly

im male you retard, women dont come here. You literally never talk to women. Seriously, kill or castrate yourself. Youre a sad excuse of a man, i would rape you to death to prove a point.

>Pathetic roastie detected. It doesn't matter how alpha a man is with a woman, the state is always on her side and she can use it against you as a weapon any time she chooses. So a man thinking he is the alpha in any modern marriage is just fooling himself.

Based.

>As far as I know the majority of mgtows are guys who've been married and done their part and reproduced.
Prove it.
Maybe 2% are divorced men. The fact you adopt some faggot ideology because you failed to keep your marriage together or shouldn't have even married in the first place, will garner you ZERO sympathy. It's pathetic and all the blame lies with you.

The rest are incels, autists, neckbeards, and other genetic undesirables. Go look at the most popular mgtow youtuber, sandman. Literally some effeminate little faggot and all the people in comment section are just like him.

Q predicted this.

>why would she do that unless you were a pathetic beta who couldnt please her?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You just outed yourself roastie. So let me get this straight roastie, a man can only be alpha if he pleases women. So that means the beta is someone who does what he wants and doesn't give a fuck about pleasing women. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Maybe because they have more insight to the inner workings of relationships and marriage?
Their failure at it is just a statistical inevitability since more than 50% of marriages end in divorce.

>pitt also doesnt shower and hes a celeb. Life is different for ultra famous people, maybe mgtow would work for them (not really) but for normal people its one of the dumbest beliefs ever.
The point is that it doesn't matter how "alpha" you are. You can be the most desirable man in the world and it still does not make a difference. Any marriage will be on her terms because that is how the system is set up.
>where your facts and science retard?
Many showing that number of sexual partners lowers the female's ability to pair bond.

ive had many gf and 3 relationships last past 3yrs. Ive also ended all my relationships and only had 1 or 2 gf cheat. ITs your fault that you cant find or "train" women.

I don't care if cu cks don't marry: that means more vertical slits for me and my brethren.

MGTOW is the equivalent of asking a guy in debt that can't keep a job how to manage your business and finances.

The same monks that let Communism take over, right? How brave.

>since more than 50% of marriages end in divorce.
actually it is because these same retards keep getting divorced

>where the fuck are you getting those stats?
bluepilled on sex market value and 80/20 rule
>any man can and should be an alpha

that's your brain on bro science.

If every man can be alpha there would be no alpha.

a 6'3 well paid male will always be more alpha than a 5'10 modestly male

Alpha by definition is the top few % retard

>The same monks that let Communism take over, right?


hahaaha you mean like how your collective ass lets the communist take over everything now?

the communists came and went the monks are still there.

Everytime I read these posts I can't help but see (((Le Merchant))) with an empty glass mayonnaise jar in front of him, shaking it vigorously and screaming...

>Where the fuck are my Shekels! This is not happening!