Why is this man the greatest character/villain ever?

Why is this man the greatest character/villain ever?

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He's not even the greatest villain in his own series

Go away dubs, Toguro is shit compared to Sensui. Name a more well written character that actually WON.

He isn't.

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Why is these men (and girl) the greatest characterS/villainS ever?

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>that feel when you're gay but it's ok because it's just a different personality not the real you

He didn't win

>villain

Toguro is a tragic antihero you illiterate.

He successfully opened the portal to demon world, killed the main protagonist, and died the way that HE wanted to, by the hands of a demon to repay for his sins.

Even Yusuke and Koenma say it themselves, that in the end, Sensui won. If Yusuke's ancestor hadn't taken control of his body during the fight, Sensui may have killed Yusuke again, but Sensui was just fighting at this point. All the evil in his heart was gone.

He "won" with the biggest asspull in the entire series, which immediately lost to a slightly bigger asspull.

Togashi peaked with Sensui.

Do you mean he lead to the series taking a nose dive? Because you'd be right

Everything is an asspull here on Sup Forums whether it's a variation of a new move or a new character. That's why it's cancer inducing to even try and have an actual discussion with most of you idiots. At least Reddit flags have some semblance of intelligence. I don't know why I waste my time with speedreading idiots like you

Meme harder, faggot.

>Togashi manga
>intelligent

I liked King of the Manlets Meruem better.

Exactly what I'm talking about. When idiots like you have nothing to refute with, you resort to this shit

He isn't, in fact he's one of the worst villains Togashi ever wrote.

There's nothing to refute. I bet you're one of the fags that genuinely stand behind the PROPERTIES OF RUBBER AND GUM.

Sensui was way better than Toguro as a villain. People should go rewatch the chapter black arc because it is underrated as hell and is actually the best arc in the show (ignoring demon Yusuke). OP is still wrong though because Kuwabara is the best Yu Yu Hakusho character.

Which asspulls are you talking about? Mazoku Yusuke was an asspull, but what else? I hope you're not calling Sensui's multiple personalities an asspull because that's explained long before the actual Sensui appears to wreck Yusuke.

>No spinoff manga about Kazuma Kuwabara

Just a chapter about his adult life as a doctor would have been nice.

I liked Black Tournament better because of the team dynamics and introducing many more interesting faces rather than Chapter Black's ultimately useless characters ( Angel Defence Force, Genkai's students, most of Sensui's lackeys, etc.).

what's so special about him, OP?

>Name a more well written character that actually WON.

Motivation wise his complete shit.
>Watch video tape of all of humanity's worse shit
>Forgets to watch companion tape with all of the good shit people do
>ALL HUMANS MUST DIE
Naw man he had the worst motivation

>Humanity is evil
Okay
>Demons are naturally evil so its okay

No fuck that shit. Hiei Kurama and many others prove demons are just as sentient about their moral actions as most human beings. It does not make it magically okay to destroy the human world because you saw a nasty tape of concentrated events. It makes it even worse when you actually did it so you could get a mercy killing from a random demon.

Sensui wasn't bad but its not impressive. Villains like Johan Liebert with actual layers and development past a few cliff notes of bio grade shit aren't "greatest" material.

This is really only true with the dub. The English script for YYH was phenomenal, and nowhere is this more evident than with Sensui's character. Just compare the English dub of his final monologue with the original Japanese or the manga. The difference is like night and day.

Sensui's Holy Chi was an utter bullshit asspull. Especially since it was not only introduced right then and there, but explained away as this awesome power that takes decades to use, but Sensui mastered it by splitting the burden among his personalities. The personalities thing was interesting, and not an asspull though, you're right about that.

>Demons are naturally evil so its okay
The manga hilariously made it so that King Enma was oppressing and brainwashing the demons and false-flagging with them to justify his power. So demons aren't actually naturally evil. That was another asspull at the end. I wonder if Togashi actually wanted to build up to that, but instead just wanted to fucking end YuYu Hakusho and got it out of the way.

Yusuke vs. Sensei in the caves might be the best fight in anime. It's hell of a lot more exciting than Yusuke vs. Toguro.

Yusuke vs. Sensui final match was garbage though. The fight was too DBZish and the Raizen asspull ruined the entire arc.

Hell that Raizen asspull ruined Genkai's entire speech.

I thought the new psychics were pretty good in chapter black. Genkai's students actually helped like in the fight with Doctor and Game Master, and the Doctor fight was great.

>The manga hilariously made it so that King Enma was oppressing and brainwashing the demons and false-flagging with them to justify his power. So demons aren't actually naturally evil. That was another asspull at the end. I wonder if Togashi actually wanted to build up to that, but instead just wanted to fucking end YuYu Hakusho and got it out of the way.
This is why I think the anime is better than the manga. It really makes no sense at all and contradicts the rest of the series. The three kings arc proved that there were demons who naturally ate humans, so the demons were always good boys doesn't work at all.

>starts by killing demons because demons are bad
>finds out some demons are victims
>instead of learning to understand the strengths and deficiencies of both sides, he just inverts his perspective to the opposite extreme
elementary writing. Toguro>>>>>>this faggot

>The three kings arc proved that there were demons who naturally ate humans, so the demons were always good boys doesn't work at all.
I think it was more not all of them are violent and not all of them are man eaters, since in the same arc, we also see that there are bro-tier demons who don't seem particularly violent. Aside from that, it was particularly stupid. Togashi really just likes going against the grain more than anything. Even when it doesn't make sense.

Even if it was only a subset of demons that ate humans I think it would still be justified to keep the barrier up. 2/3 of the kings wanted to eat humans. I didn't necessarily like how both the anime and manga were trying to make you empathize with the demons.

>ignoring demon yusuke
You had me until here

Finally an intelligent poster instead of all these retards.

Sensui actually won, he killed the main character, opened the portal to the demon world and got killed by a demon which was what he wanted.

You saying Sensui lost is like saying Jack killed Andrew Ryan in Bioshock when it was actually Ryan that killed himself.

Seriously, how fucking dense are you people here? Reddit is shit because of the hive mind mentality and Sup Forums and all of Sup Forums is filled up with 98% retards.

You think breaking down shit like this into retarded bits makes you smart? Anybody could do that and make an arc/series look stupid. I could do that for Berserk.
>Waah raped by a black bull
>trust issues
>meets black chick he doesnt get along with
>fucks her
>trust/imtimacy issues gone

Fuck I haze soeedreaders/speedwatxhers like you so damn much. You watch without taking core shit in and them you go online thinking you're some type of genius. Fuck off

but literally all he did was shift from a paragon to the enemy of mankind with nothing in between

it would be one thing if his bone to pick was with the corrupt underworld or something though.

Nobody was allowed to look at the tapes because they were so powerful Especially if you only look at one otherwise it'd lead to complete hatred of humanity or blind admiration of humanity which is equally as worse.

He had a very black and white view of justice, nobody is denying that. However, Togashi made that work for him with üout some retarded Naruto cliches or shit redemption. The dude accomplished exactly what he set out for. IMO, Sensui is Togashi's magnum opus.

Yeah, the barrier was more than necessary, but Enma was actually brainwashing (somehow in ways that were never clarified) demons to spread chaos as well. But I'd still want to keep those fuckers out since demons like Raizen had cravings for human flesh. But apparently the demon race was no where near as violent as they were portrayed though the manga. Togashi really baffles me here with that revelation at the end.

It's specifically pointed out that it happened because he had a very idealized view of humanity in the first place. He saw humans vs demons as good vs evil, so when he saw all the evil practiced by humans it just flipped his moral center, with him now considering the humans as pure evil.

Thank you.

*gayest

Fixed that for you, faggot OP.

>Comparisons with videogames
>Reddit
>Shitting on Sup Forums
Get out of my sight you fucking pleb and never return.

He wasn't too bad, but Yusuke getting a lol-powerup was the worst part about YYH. Pretty much ruined the series.

You do realize at that point Jump was forcing Togashi to produce shit against his will right? That obviously affected the quality of his work. It's amazing that Cb saga came out as well as it did.

>It's amazing that Cb saga came out as well as it did.
Except it was shit and most of that garbage came from Togashi

Then that's too bad I guess. I wish editors didn't get in the way of mangaka so often. So many manga ruined.

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Yeah, the brainwashing thing was really whack. That, the superior characterization, and the dub make the anime better for me. Like compare this part of the manga with the same part of the anime

youtube.com/watch?v=b3klj_jmde0

That's partly the reason he's given so much freedom with HxH.

They treated him horribly with YYH because it was making so much money. They stripped him of so much creativity and he lost his desire to to even finish it, so je just tried to end it as soon as possible.

>western live action anime adaptations are too low budget to have the Rock play anyone

>The manga hilariously made it so that King Enma was oppressing and brainwashing the demons and false-flagging with them to justify his power.

This was what Togashi wanted.

The dub is not good.

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Am I the only one that feels like YYH is overrated because of nostalgic Americans? I read the manga and enjoyed it, but it was nowhere near the best shounen manga. The anime is also unbearably slow, and doesn't capture Togashi's charm, it only does the serious stuff well.

I think it's nostalgia + not "too" popular enough for contrarianism to kick in. It's like most people haven't read the manga in years. I've seen people say Yu Yu Hakusho was better drawn than Dragon Ball, after all

>not "too" popular enough for contrarianism to kick in
I hate this. Small fanbases sometimes think that absolutely horrendous manga are hidden gems like Toriko.

Anyways, I think that Togashi shines a lot more in HxH, even if it lacks the old school grit from YYH.

Hell tournament arc had the best music at least

HxH definitely has more actual variety in fights. YYH has quite a few times of fake-variety, where there's fights with characters with different powers but they don't change how the fights play out compared to each other

>the anime is unbearably slow
YYH has one of the best pacing in a shounen anime. The manga's pacing is worse at the beginning.

The anime also has no filler.

The anime removed some of the Spirit Detective small stories, and yet it's still 112 episodes to the 176 chapters. Good pacing is generally ~3 chapters per episode, unless chapters are really packed, which they aren't for YYH.

HxH is more creative/elaborate, but I feel that causes it to forget the basics. I've never felt as invested, nor felt any pay offs as high as anything in YYH, despite YYH being super basic.

Did you watch YYH first? I watched the old HxH when I was younger and I felt very invested with it, and it's stayed that way. The CA and Chairman Election arcs had huge payoffs.

Why is Toguro's english VA so much superior? He was GOAT

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Oh these are out of order. Ah well.

YYH is great, I rewatch it on a bi-yearly basis

That's not Raoh.

>good pacing is generally ~3 chapters per episode
Where did this universally agreed upon standard come from? Not all chapters lengths are even the same from manga to manga. The anime was very fast paced. Entire arcs took 4 episodes to complete (see the Yukina rescue arc). It slowed down during the dark tournament but never anywhere near as bad as other shounen anime. The longest fight was two and a half episodes. There's also extra fluff added like that puts the anime over the manga in terms of character development.

That's just my opinion, I never said it was a universal rule. I'm clearly speaking about weekly manga, which are 15-20 pages long, don't be pedantic. The arcs that took few episodes to complete where short to begin with, that isn't thanks to the anime's pacing.

Not being as bad as other shounen adaptations doesn't mean that it's not bad. There's plenty of adaptations go at a much quicker pace and it's better in general.

She's a cutie

>Not being as bad as other shounen adaptations doesn't mean that it's not bad.
Not being 1:1 with the original anime doesn't mean it's bad either. The anime included shit that Togashi was literally too lazy to make like actual fights in the makai tournament. The anime generally kept the arcs long enough to get you invested without being too long to tire you out, with the only outlier being the dark tournament which I concede as being slower paced, which is ironic because people say it's the best for some reason.

Ron Perlman Jr?

Demon Yusuke is straight up bullshit and ruined his character for me

Togashi's chapters are for the most part barren which is a fact you cannot deny in regards to YYH or HxH. There just isn't a lot going on in them other than the story itself. The anime did a really good job of not only fleshing out the characters but also the world they live in. There is undeniable personality in almost every episode where a lot of chapters felt kind of empty in comparison. I think Togashi is the kind of person who focuses on the goal and doesn't worry too much about details or even characterization. Either way, the anime honestly could have stretched on a little further to give the Three Kings arc more life and make it less rushed but I think at that time the ratings were slipping so the studio didn't consider it a good investment anymore to put in all that work doing half of Togashi's job for him.

YYH defined my childhood and I still consider it my favorite anime to this day. That being said, I fully admit that the only time I ever thought it was dragging and needed to hurry the fuck up was the final Yusuke vs Toguro fight. Like, there was already TONS of buildup to the fight itself, it didn't really need to be amped up any more than it already was, but instead it was a few too many episodes of 'haha, this isn't even my final form' and 'jokes on you, I trained super hard for just this moment', etc etc. It just really needed to end a lot faster than it did but I guess since Toguro was presented as the big bad for so long, it seemed counterproductive to the staff to cut it short.

Also just want to throw it out there that Toguro was lucky that Hiei used up all of his energy on Bui because he would've one hit KO'ed him the exact same way if they'd gone toe to toe. Toguro was a little bitch when everything was said and done which is another reason why I hated how long that fight got drug out for,

Sensui would rape Toguro

I actually didn't watch Yu Yu Hakusho as a kid. I knew it existed and didn't care to look into it until I saw it on Adult Swim some years back when they did an april fools prank and aired it along with other anime. After I saw it I decided to go and watch the entire series and loved it.

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