Shouldn't American facism be multicultural? Considering how facism inherently reflects the national character of the country in which it developes, and so facism appears in many forms like German national socialism or Spanish national syndicalism, then shouldn't spesifically American brand of facism reflect America as a society? As american society is multiracial and multicultural, doesn't this then mean that so should its facism? There are examples of movements like this like the integralists of Brazil, and even Mussolini was agaisnt racial discrimination. Therefore then, aren't movements like the alt-right and white nationalism both contrary to the facist principles, and also doomed to fail through failing to recoqnise the society which they try to change?
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Fuck off DoubleJew
It woudn't work any other way
Yes fascism does means strenght through unity but there has to be an unity to start with.
USA went from slavery to segregation to self segregation, there has never been real unity.
If you want real unity you need to have ONE people and that implies race-mixing, see quote related.
Hitler on south America :
"History has countles examples of this. It shows in frightenting clarity that whenever Aryan blood is mixed with inferior peoples, it led to the end of the culture bearer.
North America, whose population consists mostly of Germanic elements which mixed very little with inferior coloured peoples, shows a different humanity than Central and South America, where the mainly Romanic immigrants often mixed to a large degree with the natives. In this one example you can already clearly see the effect of race mixing. The racially pure and unmixed German of the American continent has ascended to its ruler; he will remain its ruler as long as he does not also succumb to miscegenation."
This is an interesting critizism. However from it only one possible conclusion can be drawn. Assuming that what you said is true, then it naturally follows that facism cannot exist in America, and therefore it is an inevitability that the American society will look exatcly like it looks now, and any attempts to change it are futile.
As long we ban the identity politics and nigger degeneracy, I think that could work. The major problem in Brazil at least is that it has some major population and economic discrepancies that make this unity very hard.
>Shouldn't American facism be multicultural?
That's kind of true in the sense that people have been coming to America from different countries, but they all still, more or less, integrated into a singular American culture/identity.
And it does, in any case, not mean that it should be multi-racial as a big part of being a real American citizen mean that you had to be white. The USA's entire history has been dominated by exceptionally racist European Americans, it's only in the later decades that this has changed. Their very identity is closely interwoven with racism, as they were a conquering people coming to an entirely new land and making something never before seen in that area. The settlers managed to make a huge and developed nation in a pretty short amount of time, while the subhuman natives could only watch in awe. Would you also be racist had you been there at that time?
Americans today are largely mongrelized degenerates, but there are still very many (considering their huge population) pure blooded caucasoids there.
It should also be noted that the Founding Fathers were mostly incredibly red-pilled people.
This thread is Thug-pilled as fuck.
>If you want real unity you need to have ONE people and that implies race-mixing, see quote related.
Your quote says the exact opposite of this.
They just need to get rid of the niggers and mongrels, like Lincoln had planned. They've even prepared a plot of land for this very purpose called Liberia.
Yes, getting rid of the niggers wouldn't be a trivial task, but it's hardly impossible.
In the current form of the US, you're probably correct. However, like all "multicultural" empires, it will fragment--probably within our lifetimes. The resulting nations will probably be more homogenous.
Is he Turkish or Arabic btw? I noticed he has a blue eye symbol in his room.
I think that kind of thinking is contrary to facist ideals. As most facist movements have rejected race as a major determinator for the destiny of a nation, and have rather concentrated on the importance of culture. It should logically then be the goal of modern american facism to not change the racial demographics, but rather seek a way to overcome them through the creation of a new american identity. The main point though is that white nationalism and such are contrary to what facism in america would be.
I think that you're wrong because, as I said in an earlier post, racial ideal are and have always been a huge part of the American identity.
And most European fascist haven't had the need to talk about races because it simply never was relevant. There were essentially no non-Europeans in Europe until after WWII, except for gypsies who have always been discriminated against.
But that was the American society of the past, which is radically different from what America is now. It is true that American facism in the early 20th century would not have had a multiracial focus, but modern American facism would. Anyways I'm off to bed.
The us is multiracial but we only have one culture
The killed have imported and invented more
They are not American though they are cancerous tumor which must be removed
>Shouldn't American facism be multicultural?
Missed the entire point of "one people, one government".
Finfaggot doesn't even know what National socialism is and he's telling Sup Forums how it should be done in America.
post 1965 america, I call it numerica. It has frankly nothing to with pre-1965 america. MLK + immigration act set a series of unstoppable events that changed everything that was america. From a segregated clasically liberal white ethnostate to nearing the opposite of that. Mind you, I don't think america was ever truly amazing since it was founded on liberalism, but it was infinitely better than post-1965 numerica.
Any fascist idealogy would be based on the founding, and would just be a less liberal segregated white ethnostate.
>implying Mussolini didn't recognize race later on as he realized his methodology was wrong as Hitler thought him
>Not knowing what the main Fascist ideals are, thus falling for a pitiful fallacy/ contradiction due to the elitist aspect of Fascism
You understand Nazism to a certain degree, but not all of it, keep lurking faggot
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What did user mean by this?
Was America ever a true ethnostate?
> fascism
> multicultural
He never talked about National Socialism which is the German brand of Fascism, but rather how an American Fascist could reasonably look. Then he dropped his brain and started shilling for race-mixing without any sensible reason.
How can you even misunderstand the topic so much?
Honestly, the beginning of the end was when you broke your isolationism.
fuck off hue
It can be, depending on which country it's from. For instance, Dimitrije Ljotic and his ZBOR in Yugoslavia wanted a Fascist state for all Yugoslavs.
Naturally they wanted Yugoslavia to drift to an even more unified culture, like most other leaders at the time. But such a state would unavoidably be multicultural considering the different religious denominations.
Neither, he's white.
>Shouldn't American facism be multicultural?
It cant be multicultural, multiethnic potentially, as long as all the ethnicities are assimilated under one culture.
In fact, no ideology can really be multicultural. If you are building a system based on a certain set of values, you dont want to invite people who dont share those values into it.
>he's white
>american
He's a fellow mutt, he looks just like the meme
It's still wrong, as my point was that even Mussolini recognized he was wrong about the races not being important, which later on he recognized. I think what you do not understand is that for fascim to exist, there must be an elite, therefore the only "realistic" way I can think of, for America to be fascist, would be with several types of nation states within the pluralistic nation complex
Full house digits confirm
Der Muttreich when??
>It's still wrong, as my point was that even Mussolini recognized he was wrong about the races not being important
From what I know it was simply never an issue as Italy didn't have that kind of ethnic tensions.
>which later on he recognized
Do you have a source for this claim? I'm interested in looking into this.
> I think what you do not understand is that for fascim to exist, there must be an elite
What kind of "elite", like an aristocracy? Because then I certainly disagree as there is no precedent for that at all.
>therefore the only "realistic" way I can think of, for America to be fascist, would be with several types of nation states within the pluralistic nation complex
How did you even come to this conclusion?
Brazilian politics is beautiful.
>Italy didn't have that kind of ethnic tensions.
>so you have a source
they did to a certain extent, also remember that allies greatly exagerate the racial tensions of Germany, plus Germany was on a great recession before and during the first years of Nazism which really accumulated a lot of anger against the perpetrators, i.e. people died due to the usury that crashed them way bellow American depression economy and sure m8 en.wikipedia.org
>aristocracy
it is complicated user, you have to understand that the purest form Fascism is meritocratic, thus the "elite" = the best of all fields directly solving problems, consulting, and helping the fuhrer
>How did you even come to this conclusion?
Years of study, lots of logic, and also remember to compare fascist systems to the original one.... Sparta
Pickle Rick!
I predict some civic-nationalist movement will come soon and will be just great until everyone realizes that we don't work as well together as we do with our own kind.
Then comes the ethnostate(s)
America was never multicultural. Multi-ethnic, yes, but everyone was expected to assimilate. That was how it was until king nigger’s reign
The matrix is real.
>Honestly, the beginning of the end was when you broke your isolationism.
this is the real redpill. Nothing but downhill from there. Nice to see a Swede that has a decent understanding of the States though.
>implying that this is the "natural character" of the US
Fascism is what's best for the nation and people. POCs aren't american, they didn't build the nation, they just inhabited it, not only that they are a detriment. Therefore TRUE fascism in the US in natural american spirit can only come through European people for they were the ones that forged the original american spirit and americana.
Fascinating take though.