Right wing Agnostic

Politically I'm right wing in every single way.
>Immigration issues
>Economic issues
>Pro life
>Pro small government
>The JQ
>Anti Islam
>Anti welfare state
>Freedom of religion

But I don't believe in God, I have absolutely no problem with Christianity, I certainly share many Christian values and admire it's influence and role in shaping our civilization.

But I just don't believe...
>Mary had sex with a ghost
>Adam and Eve were real
>There's an invisible all seeing all knowing entity called God who made everything, I don't claim that God does not exist, I just don't believe that any person has ever known whether he exists or not.

I think there are lot more people like me on the right than are letting on, there's a lot of pressure on the right to proclaim yourself a Christian, but then again there are also plenty of right wing jews, some of whom I feel are genuinely sincere, (((others))) who clearly are not.

So how do people like me find a place on the right?

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Politically I'm right wing in every single way.
>Immigration issues
>Economic issues
>Pro life
>Pro small government
>The JQ
>Anti Islam
>Anti welfare state
>Freedom of religion

But I don't believe in God, I have absolutely no problem with Christianity, I certainly share many Christian values and admire it's influence and role in shaping our civilization.

But I just don't believe...
>Mary had sex with a ghost
>Adam and Eve were real
>There's an invisible all seeing all knowing entity called God who made everything

I don't claim that God does not exist, I just don't believe that any person has ever known whether he exists or not.

I think there are lot more people like me on the right than are letting on, there's a lot of pressure on the right to proclaim yourself a Christian, but then again there are also plenty of right wing jews, some of whom I feel are genuinely sincere, (((others))) who clearly are not.

So how do people like me find a place on the right?

You believe in a straw man version of Christianity. The Jews wrote the old testiment. The only thing most Christians believe is the Old Testament is symbolic. Also, when you think of God as like a ghost or an invisible entity that’s a pretty childish concept of God.

I sympathize. I have thought long and hard about this and God makes more sense than no God, even if you don't believe in the Bible. Something had to will reality into existence, the idea that everything exists randomly for no reason is beyond retarded. That's the stupidest explanation for reality I've ever heard.

I don't believe in any version of Christianity, I think that much of the bible as with most religious texts, contains some deep and meaningful truths and insights, but I don't believe any God had anything to do with it, I think all religions are basically cults who got big enough to call themselves a faith.

Believing in Jewish mythology is a mistake.
Embrace the Gods of your ancestors, however you choose to interpret them.

This is something I have been pondering lately, it makes sense to me that the gods of people that evolved to live in my environment should be able to teach me more than those who were created/worshipped by people who evolved in the desert.

Congrats on being an outlier

If you really have faith in Thor and these things, then worship them.
BUT, if you are going to be "pagan" because muh color, then you are just an atheist (like 90% of the larpagans here)

You can be Christian without believing the dumbassery that is the Bible. The sooner you swallow the redpill that Jews wrote the Bible to subvert us the better off you will be

This ties in to my last post, one thing is certain, the old testament was written by Jews, and the new testament is a hodgepodge of various desert dweller texts cherry picked to suit the narrative of the time of compilation.

I don't know enough about Thor etc to have faith in him, I am interested in finding out more though, about the things my ancestors believed in, and how those beliefs might apply to me, whether or not that would result in some kind of spiritual experience I can't say, but from a historical point of view it would be fascinating.

>however you choose to interpret them
No, wicca faggots and the like are not ok.
It's not about picking which gods you find kewl or thinking paganism allows you to be a degenerate. Given paganism requires you to be proactive about actual knowledge, they use it as an excuse to be filthy degenerates. That's not ok.
You follow the faith linked to your genetics and the traditions of the folk. One example being Lugh for celtiberians, Odin for nordics(known as wotan in German), Jupiter for italians, Zeus for greeks, Perun, Svarog...
If you're mixed you're fucked (unless your mix is of similar cultures i.e. French and German). Such is life.

Atheists and agnostics will never be anything but useful idiots for true right wing ideas.

Why dont you believe in the old testament? Its all the workings of God, including his commandments and a lot of claims he makes.

>God makes more sense than no God
Explain?

>You can be Christian without believing the dumbassery that is the Bible.
...so where do you get your information?

The idea that existence is just here randomly for no reason makes no sense to me. If something didn't will reality into existence then why is anything here? I see things that are created, art, computer operating systems, all of which have originators. Reality, to me, seems like it must be the same... some entity had to program the laws of science and the rules of reality. I don't claim to understand it fully, merely that something beyond our ability to fully comprehend existing makes more sense then we just randomly exist for no reason and there is no God.

>>Adam and Eve were real

Adam and Eve is not a literal event in history, it is a story premodern people use to explain certain archetypes that are embedded in us by evolution. Christianity isn't a historical truth, but it is structurally true in the sense that if you don't live by it your life will be in hell.

>But I don't believe in God
Knowledge of God is built into every human being.
You might have troubles with various mythologies, but if you don't realize the reality of God, you're either too young, or just self-deluded.

Ok Stefan, get off Sup Forums.

Jews didn't write the Old Testament and they believe the Talmud overrides everything in it.

If anything you should view religion as a centerpiece of culture.
Any religion that doesn’t directly reflect the values of your people’s culture is counter-intuitive and worthless.
My own personal belief is that “God/Gods” are the same being(s) across every religion and guided each culture separately so that they could create the most interesting and vibrant world for themselve to interact with.
Think about it, what kind of immortal, all-seeing being cares so deeply about extremely specific defined morals? They want to be entertained, they want an interesting reality to play out before them.
One all people/religion are the same then “God” is truly dead for he/then have no more reason to interact with this world because it has become completely devoid of any interesting circumstance that would make it worth their time to interact with.

How retarded are you?

National Socialism and the restructuring of religion to be Agnostic and non-intrusive, might be to much to ask though.

Are you really Agnostic? Your post just makes you sound atheist.

>The idea that existence is just here randomly for no reason makes no sense to me
Is it possible that it did happen this way?
>Reality, to me, seems like it must be the same... some entity had to program the laws of science and the rules of reality.
But humans made those, we know how they work. We know a lot about the universe, where does it point to a god?
>I don't claim to understand it fully
Same.
>merely that something beyond our ability to fully comprehend existing makes more sense then we just randomly exist for no reason and there is no God.
That sentence makes sense, but what if we follow that up with the contradictions that the bible proposes as fact, for example? Does that make it less likely or does it not matter to you?

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phoneposting, my bad

well, I don't live my life structurally according to the teachings of the bible, and my life is far from perfect, but it's certainly not hellish either.

I have read the bible, I have of course been raised in a mildly Christian country, and certainly been exposed to Christianity's influence, so sure, it's had an impact and mostly positive at that.

The fact remains I view the bible and the stories contained within as exactly that, stories, which contain lessons and insight, just like any other great works of literature, I include everything from Homer, through Shakespeare to Orwell and beyond in the list of great works that have the ability to teach us things of value that we can apply to our lives, in order to improve them.

I just don't believe there is any more truth in the story of Jesus' life than in the lives of Perseus or Thor.

Atheism is a lack of belief in the claim due to insufficient evidence. He doesnt believe.

I'm agnostic as well, though I would actually like to live in a strictly Christian country, because then other religions can't manifest.

what if my ancestors are italians who literally stole greece's gods for their own, and then stole greece's new GOD for their own later?

>Are you really Agnostic? Your post just makes you sound atheist.
I believe there could well be some kind of guiding hand behind reality, I just don't believe that humans are capable of even beginning to understand what that might be.

Pretty much the same as you OP.

I agree with this, I am very grateful to have been born and raised in a Christian country, and would not like to live under any other organised religion.

I am the exact same.

>He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I guess, for me agnoticism is all about going along with your religious buddies even if your not really buying into just for the sake of homogeneity and being part of the community.

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>Christian values and admire it's influence and role in shaping our civilization
eww

Sounds like a really convoluted way of saying it's turtles all the way down.

that's a great quote that I've never seen before.

Quite harsh though, even if true, I like Christians and their civilization, and I see that the less Christian influence we have in society the more degeneracy we get, and the weaker we are as a race.

I'm an atheist more leaning right wing. A couple things that are more liberal for me:
Pot should be legal
I'm really indifferent toward abortion, just let people who are more passionate about the issue debate it
Gay marriage is fine
I lean back and forth but it's impossible to align with the left. The issues I mentioned above actually don't effect me. I've never smoked pot, I'll never be in a situation where abortion is necessary, and I'm not gay. So yeah, I do believe in pothead's right to smoke and gay's right to marry, but it actually effects me in no way. Obama's shitty healthcare system, beaners taking muh job, and a police force who is protecting us is being demonized. This is why I'm right wing.

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You watch this video now and make your choice. Think carefully now, it's your life.

>I just don't believe there is any more truth in the story of Jesus' life than in the lives of Perseus or Thor.

There is more truth about how to live your life in the story of Jesus than either Perseus or Thor. The Sermon on the Mount is the most important philosophical work in the western world.

Agreed. But I think "Christian" values need to separated from belief in God. Those values are shared by other religions/cultures as well and derive their importance from the results they achieve. Nor do I think that Christianity is the sole reason the West succeeded. The ancient Greeks played a large role, as did the lack of modern technology serving as a distraction from intellectual and artistic pursuits.

Start exploring UFOs and the occult with genuine honest curiosity.

You will find your answers, but be careful what you wish for

this is my point, I can take much of value from the things Jesus said, but I still don't and never shall believe he was any kind of divine being, or the bastard son of a deity.

But the truth is the divine. So what he is saying is of such a high level truth that he is in that sense a divine being and the son of God.

Yes, symbolically speaking.
Agreed, Christianity certainly represents a pillar, there were others.

I'm saying it goes much deeper than "Oh, this is just a story on how to be a nice person." I'm saying ancient people who wrote the Bible were doing a lot of psilocybin mushrooms at the time and were more in tuned with nature, but evolution has bred reality out of us and that these stories are collected wisdom passed down generations.

>Mary did not have sex at all, it was divine intervention
>Adam and Eve may very well be metaphorical
>God isnt invisible, God exist outside our reality, he is a creator looking into a creation, an artist looking into a painting

If God is omnipotent and can manipulate the material world what's stopping him from doing any of these things?

This is why I don't say he doesn't exist.
You may well be right, I'm just not convinced.

Congratulations there are many on the right that aren't religious. Christianity is a semetic religion anyway

>believing anything Jews wrote

Honestly multiple gods make more sense than one single being

>surrounded by the infinity of space
>can't see god

I suppose it's hard to see something when your eyes are closed.

You don't have to believe in Christianity, but you can always act as if you do just to piss off liberals.

But jesus is a jew

Why do you say that?

Just don't be a dick. Conservatives believe in the freedom of religion, which includes no religion at all. As long as you don't belittle others for their beliefs you should be fine.

philosophyofreligion.info/theistic-proofs/the-ontological-argument/the-modal-ontological-argument/

(1) If God exists then he has necessary existence.
(2) Either God has necessary existence, or he doesn‘t.
(3) If God doesn‘t have necessary existence, then he necessarily doesn‘t.
Therefore:
(4) Either God has necessary existence, or he necessarily doesn‘t.
(5) If God necessarily doesn‘t have necessary existence, then God necessarily doesn‘t exist.
Therefore:
(6) Either God has necessary existence, or he necessarily doesn‘t exist.
(7) It is not the case that God necessarily doesn‘t exist.
Therefore:
(8) God has necessary existence.
(9) If God has necessary existence, then God exists.
Therefore:
(10) God exists.

This is just one argument

>If God exists then he has necessary existence.
>Either God has necessary existence, or he doesn‘t.
The proof doesnt make sense. If god exists, then necessary existence > either god has necessary existence or does not
The outcome cant be god does not have necessary existence based on the first premise.

Did NASA really let an astronaut hold that sign up? Ballsy

(OP) Hey Brother.

I feel you. Used to be a low key atheist after I grew up in Baltimore.

I found the Christian God in Iraq.

I totally believe Christ lived. Ancient people even wrote texts describing Christians as gentle folk who will accept anyone into their hearts. Including the sick, disabled, uneducated, and poor.

Islam, and numerous other religions, have no time for such things. Especially when half your family is the retarded byproduct of 14 centuries of inbreeding.

You should read more about the History of Europe and her People.

It is probably the greatest story ever told. (I personally think its non-fiction) And the Old Testament is Allegory told in the best way language could describe.

Remember, They spoke quite a different language than us. In more ways than one. For instance, nearly every word associated with engineering, electronics, or physics.

They had the words to vaguely describe such things. But not like today.

And if you have doubts in your faith, especially christianity, you should study this dude named Renee Descartes(1600)

He is famous for the quote "I think, therefore I am"

AKA the "Cogito"

And also the famous "Cartesian Circle" The Circle is pretty simple. Descartes says(Basically) that "God is an infinite being, I have the capacity to imagine an infinite being, only God has the power to put an infinite thought in my head, ergo God Exists"

Pretty sound logic.

If you can prove that it's wrong, You would be the first.

Many have tried. I failed my Epistemics Class and have to repeat it because my Thesis was so bad.

It's impossible to prove wrong dude.

Anyway. You seem to have your head screwed on right. judging by your views.

Think about this, The other team hates you and doesn't believe in God.

Yet they worship his fallen angels...

No one under the age of 50 is Christian anymore in the right, it's 95% people who say they're "cultural christian" like Richard Spencer and 5% LARPers who have never stepped foot in a church in their life

Also read up on some NDEs. They're excellent first hand evidence of an afterlife

near-death.com/experiences/notable.html

i feel ya user
not too many of us around

Also, from the site
>For if it is possible that God exists, then there is some possible world in which God exists
Possible god =/= possible world. I dont think i need to mention possibility of existing =/= existing. Not to mention, replace the word "god" in this argumwnt for anything else, im not sure what this proves.

same

Thanks for that post, I can see your beliefs mean a lot to you and I appreciate you expressing that.

Brother, I don't think there is no God, and I can absolutely recognise the divinity in many Christian teachings, and of course in the values that Christianity gives us and that I share.

I'm familiar with Descartes, and there is much in the words you quoted that resonate for me, I think God is something different for everyone, even those of the same faith probably have significantly different ideas about what God means to them.

Thanks for sharing what your God means to you.

Same as you, user. Religion, as written, simply makes no sense if looked at from an objective point of view.
I asked my pastor when I was a child something he could not answer, and I knew it was all a sham.
“Tell me another thing other than faith that is to be blindly followed with no evidence.”

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>cant defend his own brought up point
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The catholic church has a blood and flesh eating ritual (fake blood & flesh mostly) sacraficial alter in every church, pedo rings and cover up
theres only one line in the bible that matters and its the golden rule, the others have been changed and lost over time, or written by jews.

This, the occult is the reddest of all pills

>/x/ is redpilled
In what world

In the world we live in where all important people in power worship what they believe to be demons. Whether its true or not is irrelevant as they believe it to be true and conduct their sick rituals accordingly. The fact that the power elite preach secular humanism but practice black magic and demon worship should raise a few eyebrows

But who doesnt agree with the fact that they do that stuff? Of course they do, but why is this a redpill?

>philosophyofreligion.info/theistic-proofs/the-ontological-argument/the-modal-ontological-argument/


"The first premise is based on the idea that God is perfect, and that something is better if it has necessary existence than if it has merely contingent existence."

So, God by definition is perfect and the greatest conceivable being possible.
An imperfect God cannot exist.
A perfect God would create a perfect (or at least near perfect) creation.
A God who's creation has does not fall is greater than a God who's creation is fallen.
The Christian God is the God of a "fallen creation"
I can conceive of a God greater than the Christian God.
Therefore the Christian God cannot possibly exist.

You and i both know they arent responding to this or any other post in disagreement.

That's fine. I was a believer once. Just figure I would throw some logic out there in hopes that some people start asking themselves the tough questions about their faith.

You know, I see Atheists and Agnostics a lot like I see Flatearthers now. Don't get me wrong, I see anyone who is oppressive about expressing that they do or do not feel some connection to the "beyond". Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in an objective sentient deity either but I do believe in the power of influencing others and I believe there is value in prayer as well.

Religions have traditionally just been a "focus" of establishing social conventions. Comprehending the infinite or omnipotence is difficult for the human brain. Gods are just labels to focus prayer, prayers are just channeled feels.

I am an atheist that prays. I don't speak to a deity but I more or less announce my intentions to the universe (or the unknown or whatever the fuck floats your boat, its all the same outward projection of energy). I think it is important that everyone does, there is a feeling you get when speaking from the heart that is hard to achieve unless you are speaking "too" someone. That feeling shows you who you are, what things make you feel that way. That is why praying is important even if you are an atheist

>I believe there is value in prayer as well
What do you get out of prayer as opposed to discussion, or speaking from the heart to an actual person? Also, look up the definition of pray. I think you mean "talking to nobody"

welcome to the right. you dont need to be fully submerge in God in every thought to be a christian, even the bible fully recognises the doubtful christian.

here is a short resume of christiaity or any other religion for that matter: they are trying to give "meaning", contrary to nihilism that see NO meaning.

You're British so it doesn't matter. You people don't even have free speech. Who cares if you're left or right. You should have had a revolution a long time ago.

a prayer is done in private alone, technically its a MEDITATION. even the act of putting your hands together is recognise in many other cultures as a significan posture.

By finding God. Read the King James Bible. Do the opposite of what Jews say.

>I don't believe
Can have a different meaning to
>I disbelieve
As in 'I think I know for certain'.
All I can say is that if you disbelieve in the possibility you cannot do it on the basis of science as its completely possible (and the possibility is highly likely) from a macro scientific viewpoint.

Whats wrong with nihilism? Cant it be used the way nietzsche wrote about it?
True

>and the possibility is highly likely
Based on what?

>Pro life
Why do you want a larger nigger population?