Is the Kalergi plan a good thing?

Seriously though.

Isn't a world united by one common race, flag etc. a good thing?

I mean, I'm a very right-wing guy - believe in massive racial differences etc. so I'm not some kinda brainwashed retard. But the only critique I can think of for the C-K plan is that the overall quality of human would go down - but why is that such a bad thing, considering that (at least at current worldwide racial proportions) the average genetic IQ would probably be around 90, which is hypothesised (no sauce, sorry) to be the level needed to adequately sustain a society.

Sure, greatness is lost in this process - physically and mentally - in the destruction of Europe. But in the long run, isn't a OneEarth policy a noble cause?

As for Jews being the only race to remain pure and lead 56%ers forward into the cosmos - that's an entirely different matter.

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And by the way - I still see Jews as people of, on the whole, low character. I do not like Jews at all - they have been hated throughout history for a reason. The Kalergi plan, fundamentally, has nothing to do with Jews though - even if they were meant to be the rulers.

The one world country gov is my wet dream, but can you imagine the amount of bureaucracy to keep things more or less equal?

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Why am I not surprised? Go shill somewhere else shlomo.

Not an argument
What do you mean?

And by the way - I still see Jews as people
stopped reading there, jews are rats not people you moron.
Why would you want that? As long as the world is multicultural it's impossible anyway. Either white europeans destroy all the problematic cultures or one world gov won't happen unless it's some shitty jewish one that does not care about its people.

Genuinely, I think I see why all our Governments betrayed us. This actually seems like a noble cause, IF this could be done harmoniously.

Anyone want to disagree? I would love you to prove me wrong as this goes against everything I've believed in for years

Well the point is that in 10,000 years, do you think there should still be 200 nations? That part I definitely see the NWO planners as getting right.

The race thing is slightly different - we could have a Star Trek/Wars kinda scenario. But still, ultimately, would only one race not mean a greater chance of peace and harmony?

I said go shill somewhere else shlomo. You have no argument either, all you have is you thinking jews are superior, you thinking a OneEarth policy is possible, you thinking a global government would do a better job than whatever is in place right now and you saying you could sacrifice greatness and Europe for the world to be some kind of hellhole.
The government may have betrayed you, but by saying you are okay with the destruction of your own people and its culture, you are betraying them.
Also war is inevitable.

I don't think Jews are superior you retard, Jews are basically tricksters (exaggerated ofc, but roughly true)

But in the grand scheme of things, why should I love my people more than others? Answer that one. A Korean also bleeds the same blood, feels pain, wants happiness and a good life - even if he is different physically and mentally.

Eurasians are all roughly civilised though. With other races, this might become a problem in a Kalergi world

It all seems so clear to me now - this is what all the elite are doing, and they are doing it as they believe they are going to make the world a better place.

I'm thinking in 10,000 years the earth will just be dead m8. It's either space or death at this point already if you want a good civilization going. Maybe some pirates, a few huge corporations or empires and a fuck ton of independent planets if we do get the tech in time to get to space.
>why should I love my family? Why should I love my culture huh?? Answer that one.
A korean doesn't come from your people, he may bleed, he may breathe but he won't act like you, he won't think like you, he won't even recognize you as familiar most of the time.

Are you literally retarded? The elites are just trying to import 3rd world workers for cheap. They just want some kind of mutt-race to control and abuse til they die. They don't look out for people, or they wouldn't just abuse us like they are. The Fascists didn't abuse their own people, the NatSocs didn't abuse their own people, the Democrats are doing that, the commies are doing that, the jews are doing that.

I mean taking care of that much people would require a giant chain of command.
Top/continental/regional/national/regional/subregional/local/metropolis.
Actualy ethnic uninationalism makes sence, as long as borders are decided by ethnicity and culture rather than arbitrary lines on a map.
You cannot have one race unless you force policies of mongrelisation for hundreds of years in order to have a definitive set of genetics. With genetic manipulation anyway it could change everything.

> The Fascists didn't abuse their own people, the NatSocs didn't abuse their own people
Manolo...

eat shit dumb kike

>arbitrary lines on a map.
You do know those lines on a map become part of the culture after the people that settled it integrated in the country right? I mean we're all overcrowded already in the West, so unless we decimate the niggers and other trash, lines are pretty important.
Okay yes they did drag their own people into unnecessary wars. Doesn't mean they didn't look out of their own people.
What's happening in the modern democracy is nothing short of the elites having cattle to breed and farm. They do give good comfort and quality of life but I'd definitely prefer living in a society that gives me a meaning beyond that of working for living. If you add all the anti-white propaganda, this society is definitely unwelcoming.

True, but Kalergi wrote a bunch of essays against totalitarianism so this can't realistically be part of his ideals.

And the mongrelisation bit is true, but if WW3 lead to one world government, they could reeducate the masses and with immigration from other parts of the world empire it would only be a matter of time (that, though, would require a HUGE state presence)

administering billions of people centrally is a dangerous pipe dream, so we might as well keep distinct cultures and ideas

Yeah I get that, but again - part of Kalergi's vision was that it was to be practical rather than a pipe dream ("practical idealism")

No.

I am going to dedicate my entire life to killing you and your kind. I'm going to butcher you and your children. This will be a choice that you made, you chose to alter the course of the world and engage in cultural and political warfare against sovereign nations. Just because you're too much of a worthless chickenshit to go to war for it, doesn't mean you are going to get away with not being pulled in to war.

You will pay what you owe, I promise you.

Okay so I've had a thought about this.

Kikes are kikes, but they do seem to have something about them striving for ridiculous equality (Jesus and Marx (I AM NOT A COMMUNIST (at least with present levels of tech)) are THE biggest figures in equality, no other figures come close), and given this whole idea is about equality and brotherhood of the human race (a key point of contention - are all races capable of brotherhood? Niggers certainly arent really, for example) maybe they should be spiritual leaders. BUT at the same time, most of the time, Jewish striving for equality was never in the noble aim of brotherhood, but it was always with the nefarious aim of undermining and replacing systems of power. So maybe Kalergi got it wrong with who should be the leaders (genuinely, why not Nordics? If anybody truly cares about all this shit, it's them).

So maybe, the Kalergi plan is the vehicle for the Nordic master race LUL

In all seriousness though, the plan is definitely a noble one, but lots of impracticalities, and the whole JQ thing.

You do realise National Socialism is very similar to the Kalergi plan in its essence of brotherhood? If you could press a button and replace all humans with Swedes, would you do it?

Obviously. The world would be at peace at last. That's basically what Hitler would do if he had omnipotence. And that's very similar to the Kalergi plan.

> greatness is lost in this process

We whites are the winners of the race lottery. Our masses, crazyness and high IQ has let us conquer the world. Kalergi, the jew, wants to wiggle the price out of our hands and keep it for his tribe. And we let him suceed?

He wasn't Jewish. And yes, I have disputed that part (Jews being the rulers)

>this is what all the elite are doing, and they are doing it as they believe they are going to make the world a better place
This is an assumption of their motives. You don't know their motives, nor do the people assuming of them bad motives.

But all you have to do is hear/watch their actions. Hear them they speak, and watch their entire bodies as they speak. You will notice many signs indicative of deception in their inflections and minutest movements.

Never believe what anyone says unless you can see them speak it. That's why I'm 100% sure you're just a troll trying to stir up the retards on this board with their wild conspiracies of "interdimensional vampire jews"

I'm not a troll, genuinely.

Those deceptive people are just politicians though - they're just puppets for the big guys: the theorists, and the people who make it happen (financiers, governments etc)

>He wasn't Jewish.

I checked, you right. How did he come up with those jewish ideas? Was he paid?

No idea, but some people think the reason why he had this whole miscegenation idea was because he himself was a mutt (half-Austria, half-Japanese iirc)

If people mongrelise by themselves we end up with people who will have a different set of genetics which will lead to problems when it comes to organ and bone marrow transplants. Not even mentioning the identity issues.
> You do know those lines on a map become part of the culture
Tell that to Kurds, Congolese, Darfourians (?), South Africans and so on amd so fourth.
> I mean we're all overcrowded already in the West
Objectively we are not. Overcentralized maybe.
> Okay yes they did drag their own people into unnecessary wars. Doesn't mean they didn't look out of their own people.
Say wat?
Define "their own people".
> I'd definitely prefer living in a society that gives me a meaning
In a quest I see. It's not for society to give you a meaning.
> this society is definitely unwelcoming
You focus too much on things that will hinder your success.

I'm wondering that too by the way. I agree with a lot of the plan (one world united - just like brotherhood in Beethoven's Ninth), but why Jews? Why should they have significance in this plan?

>If people mongrelise by themselves we end up with people who will have a different set of genetics which will lead to problems when it comes to organ and bone marrow transplants. Not even mentioning the identity issues.

The point is people don't have an in-borne identity - only individualism. Also, that transplant point is just plain wrong - I mean for many reasons, but just one is that if everyone mixed it up, they could donate to one another...

God but human biodiversity is also a thing of art - at the very least lets have a phenotype zoo

It's really debatable. Him and his father were at very least Jewish faithful, at a time when that was very hard to carry off in society without actually being Jewish. Hitler believed him to be Jewish, suggesting they had evidence that has been lost. Certainly given recent efforts to disguise Jews in society, and especially Jewish hapas it seems difficult to believe that he wasn't Jewish.

>but why is that such a bad thing, considering that (at least at current worldwide racial proportions) the average genetic IQ would probably be around 90
Are you retarded or something? This average takes into account the billions of low-IQ non-whites that outnumber white Europeans.

His Japanese side obviously isn't Jewish, and his Austrian side should be very well documented considering he's of nobility. I very much doubt he's Jewish, but that doesn't change anything about the idea.

I don't understand your point then. These politicians are the ones selling us the "elite's" ideas. All we see representing this "elite" are a group of deceptive frontmen. How can people like you then assume their (the elite's) motives to be reasonable?

Yes, but on average people should be basically civilised - and we can always genetically engineer to enhance IQ

Well fuck that is what I'm saying, just evaluate the Kalergi plan itself.

So now you're telling us you're:
1. a commie
2. a filthy retard that thinks Jesus was a filthy kike
3. a good-for-nothing redditor with your twitch habits

Judaism isn't centered at all on the essence of brotherhood, nor is the Kalergi plan. Nor even is NatSoc. NatSoc is centered on the family essence, treat your people as your own family, treat your nation as a shield that protects it and takes care of it.
In fact, Judaism has been centered on the fact that they were persecuted from everywhere. And for good reason: they used to make weird ceremonies, kidnap children and such.
As for the Kalergi plan, if it claims all people are equal - which they are not - then it is just being humanitarian, for bad purpose I suppose. But it still does not have the essence of brotherhood.

Fucking mongrels. They aren't accepted anywhere so they wish to destroy everything others have.

>Tell that to Kurds, Congolese, Darfourians (?), South Africans and so on amd so fourth.
Africa was badly handled before and after colonization. The Kurds were "oppressed" and not fully integrated into the Turkish culture. The others I don't know that much.
>Overcentralized maybe.
Yes that was what I meant, we can't just have 99% of the population in big cities, not healthy for society. Good thing we don't.
>Define "their own people".
Well the Italians cared for the Italians and such. What's wrong with that? They didn't care for everyone as there is no reason to.
>It's not for society to give you a meaning.
It's not. My meaning has already been found. Society can't just give a meaning either, what gives a meaning are circumstances. But the current circumstances that society has brought made finding a meaning a harsh thing for young teens living in metropolitan areas.
>You focus too much on things that will hinder your success.
Do I? I still have no idea. I just want France to be healthy and the French people to be happy. I don't think an arab is a French

>I agree with a lot of the plan
You crazy. I have lived in IQ85 societies and believe me you do not want that. They are incapable of loading a washing machine or using a teflon pan, and they dont get the intrest thing on debt at all.

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> It's difficult to ascertain the exact chances of finding a match for a mixed race person because the different combinations have different success rates, and the U.S.-based National Marrow Donor Program (NMDP), which has about eight million donors in its registry, does not have statistics on the success rates of mixed race patients. But Asklipiadis maintains the rates are lower — much lower. "God forbid I need a match, because I'm a very rare combination," Asklipiadis says of her mixed Japanese, Italian, Armenian, Egyptian and Greek background.
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> if everyone mixed it up, they could donate to one another...
Solely after hundreds of years of mongrelisation. Where a race is created.

Individualism transpires from the achievement of your peers and past lineage. We are like computers and tend to think by finding the most common denominator, skin colour, race, religion, nation, continent, even age etc... and we tend to negate the different. True individualists are a rarity because we all are influenced by our surroundings. It really takes an ubermensch to be unique.

Not a Commie, but Communism does become practical once automation results in no need for competition for resources. Right now, I'm extremely libertarian.

Jesus was obviously Jewish.

I barely use reddit.

The Kalegi plan is obviously centred around brotherhood, as was NatSoc. You fucking idiot, how is the family essence so far removed from the idea of brotherhood.

I am no longer going to waste my time responding to you - most of /po/l is intelligent, but there's always the backwater type

So at least let me ask you this. Would you be fine with the plan, in theory, if we could raise the IQ prenatally of any baby by 15 points?

>Individualism transpires from the achievement of your peers and past lineage.
Literally the opposite.

I agree with the part about common denominators though.

>we could raise the IQ prenatally of any baby by 15 points?

I would raise every white babys IQ and conquer the world.

>Well fuck that is what I'm saying
ok

> evaluate the Kalergi plan itself
Where can I read it? Unable to find it currently

Okay, but for worldwide unity that would have to involve genocide of 6 billion people

Muh 6 billion would be legit lol

It's basically:

No borders
Mix everyone up

Meaning the entire earth is like uniform, just humans, no racial or national differences to speak of

AND... for some reason which I haven't figure out, Kalergi wanted this to be lead by Jews

I like the Kurdistan as an example, it is a people with a culture that is separated from their "overlords". Turkey, Syria, Irak and Iran, it spans on all of that. They have their tradition and are unwilling to integrate, because they know it will mean the end of their uniqueness.
To say Africa was handled badly is an understatement, just google "ethnic map of Africa" and puke. You might understand why they always are at war with each other internally and cannot grow much.
> Good thing we don't.
It might change with automation and AI. Fellsbadman.jpg
> Well the Italians cared for the Italians and such
Idk much about Muso's Italy but there was discrepancies between north and south. Dictators care about nothing but themselves, and give out to whoever supports them. People, in the context of fascism and natsoc is a very fluid term.
> But the current circumstances that society has brought made finding a meaning a harsh thing for young teens living in metropolitan areas
You are correct and i know that feel bro. But then again the fault is on our forefathers for not thinking this through and adapting policy for we are not in the glorious 30 anymore.
> Do I?
I believe so. Let stupid people with their stupid reasonings and be above them. If it means to work harder than Ahmed or N'Diaye for less then you must. So that you can rise above, sometimes it means you have to dive.
> I just want France to be healthy and the French people to be happy
Don't we all...

>on average people should be basically civilised
Define "civilized".
>and we can always genetically engineer to enhance IQ
But can we genetically engineer culture? If not, I'm not sure the genetically engineered niggers would accept our culture. See America as an example.

>True individualists are a rarity because we all are influenced by our surroundings.
Truer words have never been said.

What you mean is not Communism but Totalitarianism right?
>how is the family essence so far removed from the idea of brotherhood?
They are close but not the same, also thanks for the insults, but I will now try to educate you on this particular thing.
A family has a distinct hierarchy, it has a direct lineage, you can make a tree showing all the branches, where it begins and where it is now. A family's function is to keep together close kin, a sort of network you are born with. A brotherhood on the other hand is more considered something you get later on, when you are either a capable child or older. It is after you experience important things and form a bond. Also a brotherhood may have a hierarchy, but it is often not very distinct and the people in it see each others somewhat as equals anyway. I don't care about wasting my time on you, but you're trying to argue for the most stupid thing I have ever heard, you make weird arguments are it seems you cannot control your inner stupidity. See here as an example of that:
>for some reason which I haven't figure out, Kalergi wanted this to be lead by Jews
He had Jewish ties. That's simple. He must have believed Jews were superior like I think whites are superior.

Now as for the Kalergi plan itself, even if it was just Europe and maybe America and no other country on earth, I still wouldn't want to mix with an Anglo. You Filth.

I don't want nigger shit blood in my descendants

> Literally the opposite
Let's use an example, if you have kids you want them to be as comfy as you were in your childhood. Maybe you want them to be given more opportunities that you were given. Maybe the family or one of your friends will be an inspiration, or the example of what not to do.
We live through others, it is a sad fact of life.
If you don't want that you can still get inna woods.

If you mix everyone up the masses IQ will average at 85. Dont forget the 2 billions of IQ65 africans, and the 1 billion pajeets score low too. The "mixing up" is making the crazy whites controllable by IQ115 askenazi jews.

>for some reason which I haven't figure out, Kalergi wanted this to be lead by Jews
Why wouldn't he want it be lead by Jews if he and Jews came up with the plan?

Think of it like a tight-nit aristocratic family during monarch times. Why would they let outsiders in (when they have no clue if these outsiders will go and sabotage their whole operation) and why wouldn't they keep their reign going? It seems rather stupid to

1. decide to go and let outsiders in to the royal family so suddenly when you have lived and will live such a good life and you and your descendants could potentially keep power for eternity

and

2. not continue your reign when it's gone on so long

Also I'm not saying this is exclusive to Jews. I'm just explaining why he would rather his group be in control than others. Any other tight group/race would do the same as him if they negotiated such a plan

jews are fucked either way.

a) the goyim wake up and get rid of them (for good hopefully)

b) they kill us and are left surrounded by niggers whose empathy you can't exploit and nobody to shift the blame on to

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>one common race

>As for Jews being the only race to remain pure
That's not even remotely true. American Jews have an intermarriage rate of over 50%, and have a sub-replacement fertility rate. Liberal Jews are even worse off as a race than Whites. The only Jews that are reproducing and staying pure are the Ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Would you like to be part of one mega city with one mayor and one city council?
Would you like to be part of one family with one father and one mother for everyone on earth to share?
Would you like for your son to be equal to your neighbor's son because favortism is wrong?
This is what you give up when you give up the idea of sovereignty. You also make everyone vulnerable to the same stupid ideas and unable to contrast with different nations.
Terribly retarded idea.

Social cohesion starts to break down once you get past neighborhood size. Also, group identity literally doesn't exist if no one is outside the group.

hasn't it already happened pretty much? we are living through it in most places

> staying pure
You mean interbreeding and degenerating?
You have misconceptions about jews and race I fear.

>we need to genocide the majority of earth's human population or else JEWS will be in control and THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT GOY!

>Kalergi plan
its a myth made up by racist and paranoid comspiracy theorists. he was never agaisnt "kiling the white race" he was in favor of ending wars (like both world wars that killed millions of people) and prejudices.

overall his ideas failed becasue our system today is ruled by white supremacy capitalism. untill we end capitalism the world will never be at peace

science has proved their is only one human race and their is little genetic differences between the races

>little genetic differences between the races
Like different number of vertebras.

you can say that science has proven little differences between races, but when you look around, reality tells a different story.

If you read the book in context, he was talking about Europeans mixing in colonized countries such as Africa and improving their stock there. In all actuality, by today's standards he's a white supremacist. The Jewish argument he made, well, he doesn't consider Jews a race but more of a religious and cultural group. He argued against the concept of a Semitic race.

He was an idealist. His ideas do not work. The idea of an EU is as stupid as liberal egalitarianism, that all Europeans are equal and they are not.