Why do some people manage to avoid the brainwashing, while others fall into it and become leftists...

why do some people manage to avoid the brainwashing, while others fall into it and become leftists? are leftists just weaker and less intelligent people?

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Genuine leftists (not nefarious party members) are naive. They want to believe that every person is inherently good. That's why racism doesn't work for them, cause they have black friends so Detroit must be okay, etc. etc.

They're like children who don't want to believe Santa isn't real.

btw check out this random fucktarded ban I just got out of nowhere, makes no sense

an ancient expired ban that never happened?

so you are saying that basically there is a filter for stupid people that chooses leftists? people who are naïve and dimwitted?

Yes of course. Isn't it obvious?

yes, obviously leftists are retarded and emotionally weak but I wanted to see if there were other reasons too

>why do some people manage to avoid the brainwashing, while others fall into it and become right wing nuts? are right wing nuts just weaker and less intelligent people?
divide et impera

People with bigger hearts than smarts

there is no societal brainwashing to make people right wing, exactly the opposite is true
>schools from kindergarten to PhD
>entertainment industry
>MSM
>public service
all massive left wing propaganda tools

people become right wing in spite of this by having the courage to risk social status and the intelligence to think critically and question the garbage being fed to everyone

leftists just passively take it

Different personality traits. Dr Peterson will tell you all about it

Toxoplasmosis. It's a virus that lives in your brain and fucks with your ability to assess threats. Comes from uncooked meat so most people with cats get it from handling the litter box all the time.

>30% of the USA is afflicted.
>It's real.

something about having good parents must be the reason

but they don't have big hearts either
they seem to have no redeeming qualities

What if I told you left and right are both forms of brainwashing?

I suspect it has to do with how much the person is exposed to the ideology. It’s pretty easy to align with the ideals that the people around you espouse.

that would be a gross oversimplification, suffice to say that weaker, naive, dimwitted people make up the majority of leftists by default since the position is wrong and unnatural.

the reason anyone avoids brainwashing is faith in God.

It could have been any of us, be honest, we’ve been bamboozled.

I would tell you it's a false equivalency, and to see
and that your Morpheus pic is not an argument

Sure they might, just misguided understanding of fairness lacking the conextual knowledge that many of the worlds issues are contrived by agendas of a very narrow demographic

It makes you a homo as well

> It’s pretty easy to align with the ideals that the people around you espouse.
especially when you are emotionally weak / afraid of confrontation (more feminine basically)

I remember how dead inside I felt before I woke up. I would repeat the leftist talking points but I always knew that I was lying to myself. Eventually something snapped inside me and I quit telling myself lies.

Fast forward 8 years and I unapologetically want to exterminate the jews.

seems like when you dissect a lot of them, all that "heart" was actually a whole lot of virtue signaling and narcissism

that is very strange to me because I was never a leftist

>especially if you’re a bitch boi
Idk, that seems like a pretty skewed conclusion.

leftist are idealists that forgo reality to achieve their completely unrealistic goals

If you pay attention to alt-right politics you most likely know who Richard SPencer is and follow his debates.

This video got 417,000 views. Assuming everyone sat through a 3 hour video talking about redpilled politics once; That's 1 out of a thousand US Citizens.

forgot video link:

youtube.com/watch?v=UiUH-tWHbr8&t=12989s

how? weak, timid people would naturally tend to conform more to avoid confrontation, and when leftism is the "herd mentality", it just stands to reason that those who stray from it would be drawn disproportionately from the stronger, bolder more independent individuals

Modern civilization in particular allows weaklings to flourish

My theory is severe petrol-industrial pollution increasing estrogen and lowering T

Spiritual warfare. Early Christians and those very close to a breakthrough are key targets of the powers that be. But literally everyone deals with this on a daily basis. Satan doesn't care if you are evil or even follow him, he just wants to make sure you are not following Jesus.

"The god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers..."

Before the end comes, it will be impossible not to see what it is all really about and has been about all along.

"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

How would you explain Nationalism and team mentalities in general? Surely, those kinds of herd mentality aren’t catching only the timid and weak minded.

Its a lot of things.
toxoplasmosis.
sugar and shit diet.
lack of exercise.
every race other than whites voting for socialist commie policies.
shit tier schooling filled with cultural marxists teachers(useful idiots).
lefty retard parents.
single moms.
i could go on forever.

Nationalism glorifies strength, it's the ideal upheld for every individual, heroism is rewarded
Leftism is a complete inversion of this, it glorifies weakness and disability, it has a victim hierarchy and victim status is next to godliness

Nationalism as a herd mentality is not as unappealing to strong, enterprising alpha types as leftism is

Cult members can be quite intelligent and fall for their cult leader's lies. It's about emotions, not IQ. I've had it rigorously pounded into me all of my life that facts and evidence matter, and not just for science. Most people, not so much. You can have a high IQ and still think with your emotions rather than your ability to reason. It's all part of being with your perceived in group.

so you're saying it's more about their emotional weakness than stupidity?

Yeah, that’s specifically why I mentioned it. It’s a commom form of brainwashing that appeals to more than the weak minded.

these are all the problems we need to fix
sometimes I worry that the activities on this board aren't optimally productive in achieving these goals, sometimes the are, but other times they are just stupid distractions (replying to slide threads, arguing about anime ,etc)

Yup. Whether smart or dumb, look at the little shits that don the black block faggotry - emotionally there were most of us were at 6-10 years of age.

>the Sup Forums is intelligent meme
if you actually had a high IQ you wouldn't be stuck on this website

what does leftism have to offer to confident, proud high achievers, other than "you can word hard while hating yourself, never being thanked and providing free lunch to this horrible assortment of lazy human garbage"?

I've noticed it has to do with the father. Typically if you have a decent father you will be far more thoughtful and measured in all things.

>Brainwashed
>Posting this on Sup Forums where people literally believe National Socialism is different than being Nazi.

Reviewbrah grew up!

Not an argument.

kek

see
you are a little establishment drone, unit #14878734723 pumped out of a factory, mentally and emotionally identical to the rest

mostly it has to do with the holocaust snuff flim kikes show to small children.

these people are usualy "athiests" and have blind faith in kikes instead of god it is hard to break them of it

two more votes for total extermination

>Things that happen only in my mind

Unless you are meaning in the way that people call Trump a "nazi".

It tends to be who you are surrounded by. If you have autism and no friends you tend to swing far left/right. If you have friends and close connection to family, you are probably middle-right. If you have some friends but no close family you tend to get your views from the jewbox called tv

I can definitely see how shitty parenting / broken homes could contribute to the emotional weakness that results in leftism

pic related

True, neither was I. I was always somewhat an imperialist.

so what if you have lots of friends and close family and you are far right?

>why do some people manage to avoid the brainwashing, while others fall into it and become leftists?

because some people are smarter than others.

interesting, saved

It's whatever you're exposed to in context with your current lifestyle. before redpill tho.

so you are going more with the explanation that leftists are simply retarded, instead of being emotionally weak and very likely to conform to the herd mentality out of fear?
hard to say, I think it's both

I don't know how you can argue with them.If you make sense they insult you and try to get out of the argument as quick as possible.They accuse every right winger of watching fox news even though they are just as fucking guilty of watching mind numbing corporate media.They also use strawmans like fucking crazy.It's like they are incapable of listening to what other people have to say, they only listen to themselves talk and chimp out if things don't go their way.Could it be that....liberals lack....COMMON SENSE?

how do we eventually raise a generation that is permanently free of leftism? how do we break the cycle in pic related?

Because it's incredibly easy to believe absolute horseshit when your beliefs are never tested by reality.

Those of us who have lived in reality and have been exposed to things such as the wonders of diversity will have a much harder time believing that which we know to be untrue

Example: Women go to ME to prove arabs are not rapists, get raped and murdered. These women must have believed that shit.

I'm in a Trade School right now.

I have a classmate that sits behind me. He was in the military for at least a few years and says we he entered the military, he was very conservative. When he left, he said he became very progressive.

Anyhow, this guy is a total leftist douchebag. He thinks the world owes him everything and that Republicans and Conservatives are 'ruining the country and our state.' (I'm in Kansas)

He's the laziest fuck you'll ever meet. Misses class every other day and expects me and other students to provide him the answers on the study guides that the teacher gives us for our chapter tests. He's always unprepared and is barely a 'C' student. Despite that, he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and acts like he knows everything even though he can't test out of College Algebra and I did.

The other day during our break, we were discussing Larry Nassar, the Muslim degenerate that raped all of USA Gymnastics. One of the younger guys in our class chimed in and related an incident in Texas where charges were dropped for a father that killed his daughter's abuser (unrelated to Nassar, but still on topic) This leftist asshat rudely dismissed our fellow classmate (like he always does when he doesn't like what is said to him) saying the Texas story 'never happened' because 'our legal system wouldn't allow it.' I was miffed because this jerk treats all the young guys in class like crap, so I looked it up on Google. I found an ABC article that confirmed our younger classmate's assertion. I pointed out to this moron that he was wrong. This hypocrite got angry and told another student that he didn't like being called a 'liar' after he had basically done the same thing to someone else just a few seconds before.

I laughed. I trolled the shit out of him and it pissed him off. It is so satisfying to humiliate left-wing dipshits.

the behavior you're describing is the sign of someone whose ideas are complete bullshit but can't admit it, they are sticking their fingers in their ears and going "LA LA LA" to avoid confronting reality that will destroy their ideas

the far left and right are the same thing, especially in terms of personality profile.

Identity politics and triggers

good job trolling him, but how does he enter the military conservative and leave it a faggot?
sounds like he might have taken some hard hits to the head during service or something

>muh horseshoe
not an argument
the far left is much, much more emotionally immature and unstable than the far right, and their identities are made up and not real (57 genders, otherkin, etc)

the far right has an actual, real identity rooted in biology and history, and they are basically adults whereas the far left are miserable, temper tantrum throwing brats

Side effect of a phoneposting, probably 90% of the time my phone picks up false bans.
thanks hiro

I was more left leaning and on my way to full on socialist. I visited Sup Forums after years of lurking Sup Forums, my worldview was challenged and I had my fall from grace.
It was like seeing the world for the first time desu

Yes, based cuck.

Nice quads.

we need people with your experiences to voice them and explain them in a welcoming way
would be extremely effective at redpilling
I have zero experience with being a leftist so I can't help as much that way

Liberalism appeals to failures and the lowest elements of society. “Equality” only sounds like a good deal when you’re an unequal shit and it would be an improvement for you. Rich shitlibs have other reasons for being liberal, mostly social capital

psychologytoday.com/blog/sideways-view/201402/why-do-people-join-cults

And the left is very cult-like. Think about how it treated Lacy Green when she outed herself as not a purist - the left is on a purity spiral. One way to start putting a crack into their structure is to be warm and welcoming to those who are ejected, so long as they'll treat you as a human being. Of course, when they get violent with you, be a martyr if you are outnumbered, or absolutely crush them if you can.

Honestly, the atmosphere here is what helped redpilled me. Wanting to best these foul-mouthed and "hateful nazis" is what made me stay and what opened me up for the red pill. Sometimes you need to skip the spoonful of sugar and just take the medicine

shut up nigger zion faggot

There is actually a genetic predisposition towards "Leftism" it entails greed, avarice, envy, effitism, infantile rage and pedophilia

a genetic component would be best because then that means there is a eugenic long term solution to leftism that could be permanent

ITT:

LEFTISM AND LIBERALISM IS THE SAME RIGHT GUYS

And that's the funny part, THEY FUCKING ACCUSE YOU OF DOING IT!When did people become so fucking stupid?

it's also why the left is known for projection
they're projecting as a coping mechanism for their own behavior
basically, they are deploying every dysfunctional trick in the human psyche to delude themselves so they can desperately keep their false ideology on life support

I doubt it. If there is a genetic component - and I wouldn't be surprised - it will also include some charisma like you wouldn't believe in some, garnering them naive allies, as well as chameleon like properties that make them hard to identify.

That being said, the profs in fields like gender studies can meet the wood chipper for all I care.

I don't take issue with the cycle represented in your pic, I do take issue with the illustration. As though an soldier in the army represents the Strong Man. I don't see how war correlates to this cycle. It makes no sense, in a historical context.

the point was how do we create a generation who will remain strong in perpetually good times and not fuck it up

For quite a few people, the U.S. military is a welfare program. A way to get a paycheck, free college and other benefits. Lefties don't like being shot at, they just want that gubmint cash.

Is it a coping mechanism, or can they really just not fathom that not everybody operates like they do? Or is that the coping mechanism? Start looking at all of the "feminist allies" who have been accused/convicted of predatory sexual behavior, for example. If you picked a stance that would attract predatory males (I stood up for your pussy, now give it to me,) how would that warp your view of most males?

The short answer? I was badly nearsighted, uncorrected until age 11, and I was damned slow on top of that, so the brainwashing never had a chance to get to me to begin with.

Some curses turn out to be blessings.

MAAAAYYYYUNNN STREEEEEMMMMM MEAAAATTTEEORRRRRR

Leftism is a trap for midwits. Right around 110-120 iq you perform well enough to start to feel superior and bright, but you aren't smart enough to stop trusting yourself all over. It's what brings liberal smugness and moral certainty. Simultaneously it makes one smart enough to abstract and override natural instincts, question dogma, and believe old systems are flawed. It doesn't allow you to understand why abandoning the old thing entirely is actually incredibly stupid, or recognize that your instincts are the product of deep genetic selection and you don't have enough experience in a lifetime to ever justify ignoring them.

You create a state where the minority of citizens allows a big chunk of the normies to live their lives, but the cucked normies, which we shall call Helots, need to be controlled because you use them as slaves, and you develop a strict set of militaristic rules by which the citizens live by. To control and kill the Helots.

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Team Orientation is actually a product of testosterone. "Jock Face" is real, and those guys make great team mates, but frustrating assholes if you are on the team.

Very true

Glad someone like it. I sometimes wonder if it's also why normies are easier for the left to sway. If most lefty influencers are around 120 iq (the average for professors generally), they are within the 20 iq gap some studies show is the limit for quality communication when dealing with the average white person. It would mean only lower iq instinct driven people and very high iq people are going to be outside their reach. Unfortunately the high iq conservatives can't relate to natural conservatives, or even normies, and are relatively rare to boot. Occasionally a rare 130+ iq conservative will crush and convert a midwit leftist, but they have critical mass.

Public schools, in my experience, seem to indoctrinate the girls who have much more compassion (motherly) to be liberal. I think the plan is guys that same age automatically just follow the girls or else get ostracized (no sex). Dragging generations of formerly normal voters around by their peckers. Every time there's an election now liberal cunts like Madonna announces free sex for votes. It's a whole bunch of horse shit.

why don't you ask the strong men?

literally it is mental illness, of the female variety
Not certain how their men acquired it as well

Hey scoob !

131 iq independent (trustfund)(leaning with Trump this round)
real question, are middle class white Americans really that stupid and believe everything or just putting their foot down and getting the best they can with trump?

You're not avoiding brainwashing, you're just falling for another form of brainwashing.