I've scoured the internet for genome info on Cheddar man and can find NONE, whatsoever. I have a degree in Biology, and can tell you that there is no fucking way to tell the TONE of skin colour from DNA. Eye colour, yes, proclivity for wavy hair, yes. and similarity to ethnic groups, but skin tone is impossible. Propaganda aside it is pure conjecture, and if it has any foundation is it simply in the genes that effect melanin production.
The only info published is that his mtDNA haplogroup was U5 (which are hunter gatherers that descend form the Urals west into Europe.
VERY strangely there is no mention ANYWHERE that I could find of his Y-Haplogroup, and I have to really wonder what they are hiding about the background of this specimen...
This obvious propaganda has no basis in science or truth other than pure conjecture
>Picture a previous non-propagandised reconstruction of Cheddar man
The scientists only said there was a 75% chance he was black
Adam Clark
And is that ACTUAL change, or Hillary chance?
Anthony Roberts
if he literally grew up much closer to the Equator the UVB would have darkened his skin naturally.. he didn't need to be negroid to have dark skin..
Joseph King
There is a 0% chance he is "black" as there is no evidence of being of African ancestry whatsoever. There are talking about skin colour which is not synonymous with race/ethnicity. Even if he was swarthy, calling him black at all is ignorant beyond words.
Fact is there is no gene that can be analysed for skin tone, only the bodies ability to produce melanin.
Luis Davis
There's going to be variance, which is why the study said "dark brown to black", but genes code for skin color. black people aren't just black because it's hot in Africa and Alabama.
Luke Ward
Most of Europe for the whites Africa for the blacks Asia for the yellows London for the black skinned blue eyed
Leo Thomas
I can't believe you don't believe our story about the blue eyed black man being the first Englishman! Anti semitism!
Jace Rogers
>no fucking way to tell the TONE of skin color from DNA
Christopher King
They made him not just darked skin. They made him like the darkest Indian they could. There are Africans lighter than him
Tyler Jenkins
There is NO gene that determines your shade or variation of skin colour. Only your ability to produce melanin, and since they wont publish the genome results we have no idea if this is what they are basing their conjecture on.
African carry genes that produce a high amount of melanin, and that determine the thickness and texture of their skin. There is no reason to assume Cheddar man shares these similarities, and no one seems to be claiming he was ethnically Negroid other than this onsense about skin tone.
OBVIOUSLY environment has fuck all to do with the skin tone you inherit. Only how your skin reacts and withstand UV.
Matthew Thompson
Modern North Africans, thanks to genes for light skin that evolved later.
Gabriel Clark
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Parker Torres
>evolved
It was only 10000 years ago. Evolution does not happen that quickly friend.
Tyler Cruz
my god I hope you are right and can prove your assertions in front of this blatant propaganda effort to dispossess white people of their own home land.
Brandon Phillips
Evolution is constant process, we're not even talking about speciation you fucking spaz.
Ian Lewis
These "results" will be challenged and a petition for the release of the genome data of Cheddar man and study that came to these conclusions will be demanded - you know it wont get any media coverage though.
Jayden Rodriguez
aren't the (((scientists))) cheddarmn is darker because it missing gene variants that are common in Europeans today affecting skin pigmentation.
>"Experts found that about 8,500 years ago, early hunter-gatherers in central and southern Europe, including Spain, Luxembourg, and Hungary, had darker skin."They lacked versions of two genes, called SLC24A5 and SLC45A2. These genes were responsible for 'depigmentation', and hence pale skin, in Europeans today."
Jayden Sanchez
whyd they have to make him so damn smug looking? look goy, you're black, u mad?!
Xavier Morales
It's good being black in a white country. He is just happy
Benjamin Russell
Checked. (((NWO))) on suicide watch.
Camden Torres
>form the Urals west into Europe
Gavin Campbell
in the uk there's a massive psyop constantly underway for decades to hide true history especially around wales/welsh
roman empire never ended it just changed its name
all religion crap is mutated gods
Colton Jackson
Hi user. He's haplogroup U2, closest related to the modern Sami and Finnish. Basically from the WHG group that R1b overtook
Ayden Bailey
.....It's very hard, isn't it? Coming to the realization that the correlation of your entire existence can possibly be traced to a few ancient and black nomands that you absolutely abhor. Life can sometimes comical thing; hence the alt right.
Jayden Scott
I'm still waiting on the paper to come out that they said would be released soon to see what their bullshit justification for this utter rubbish was. I'm guessing it's nothing more than wild speculation based on one gene or something they've intentionally misinterpreted. But until we see that paper, nobody knows where they got this nonsense. The fact that this is the UK already raised a continent-sized ref flag. The UK is the only place on Earth where black parents magically have white children with some bizarre regularity.
Robert Martinez
I'm descended from WHITE hominids who came from WHITE tree shrews who evolved from WHITE lizards, all the way back to the WHITE organic molecules that formed the first single-celled organism
fucking jewish psyop
Oliver Sanders
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Ayden Perry
Yep. Sounds like horseshit. It's literally an absence of evidence is evidence of absence argument.
James Cooper
>It's very hard, isn't it?
What? No study has been released
Nothing has been peer-reviewed
Might as well call it literally fake news
Matthew Myers
he lacked the specific genes that lead to light skin pigmentation you fucking mongoloid
Isaac Perry
IT'S FAKE
Asher Lewis
What of those individuals that possibly have an ancient black nomadic ancestor?Are they Huwhite or should discharge a 23 and me sample in order to affirm that they really are Huwhite?
Leo Russell
>We wuz whites
Connor Gomez
bump for interest
Carson Lopez
Based
Owen Rogers
niggaz be scientists and shit
Gavin Wright
and THAT was worthy of a full, above the spread, article on the BBC. Leading to lib shitposting all across the internet like: "haha wait until UKIP and Britain First see this!" and further confirming that "LOL British people are black YOUR the immigrant!"
Fuck the BBC so much.
Adam Evans
No, you fucking mongoloid. He lacked MODERN genes. That means literally nothing.
Robert Cooper
Uhh.. No, U5 (not U2) was his mtDNA haplogroup (Maternal). There is not Y-halpologroup U, and no Y-Haplogroup info has been published.
Valid points, and absolutely they contribute to melanin production, but it certainly does not determine skin tone. Having these genes does cause lighter skin as it blocks and alters melanin production, but not having them does not default you to being dark skinned or produce more melanin.
Also there has been no release of the study in which they came to these nonsense conclusions.
The bust they made was done by 2 Dutch sculptors who used some cranial measurements and a lot of artistic licence.
Luis Hughes
>mfw the Anglos are the true niggers of Europe
Carson Howard
Hold on, user. There are still studies that are yet to be released.
Hunter Harris
Yeah this sounds about exactly like what I expected. "We don't have proof he wasn't a full-blown nigger, therefore he must've been a full-blown nigger." It's just like the "Hitler is a black jew because muh haplogroup" when his haplogroup includes millions of people who are neither. All of this bullshit is just rabid and rampant speculation calculated to push a stupid narrative. The UK is literally the most dishonest country on Earth when it comes to anything racial.
Exactly, and I want to see what the EVIDENCE says. Because so far what's been provided in this thread is precisely the sort of nonsense I was expecting: they found one detail that they started a rampant speculation narrative with.
Nolan Parker
Apparently most people were dark 10k years ago because hunter gatherers got vitamin d from their diets so they didn't need light skin. Not sure if entirely true but I don't see why it matters, no one is gonna use this as a debating point.
Dylan Lewis
If you have a degree in biology, you would know that there is a gene that codes for it. Fuck off and die, liar.
Cooper King
Even the liberal cunts that released this fake news are not claiming he had NEGRO ancestry.
They are only making the bullshit implication he was dark skinned.
>but the study has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal. This one line tells you everything you need to know about this story.
William Williams
>i-its not true!!!! OOA was known since darwin pink chimps if you want to prove you’re superior how about you acomplish something on your own instead of taking credit for things other white people did?
Levi Flores
It's not even that. They're making the claim that his skin was literally as dark as it is possible to make human skin, which is just god damned absurd during the last glacial maximum in fucking Britain.
David Evans
>OOA means black people turned white 20 years ago No.
Hunter Mitchell
I already did. What pisses me off is chimps fucking up my hard work. Same deal with those same ancestors.
Aiden Richardson
>strawmanning typical mole rat behavior
Ryan Jackson
That's not strawmanning, you idiot. It's hyperbole. 10k is nothing in anthropological terms. Humans have been in Europe for over 100k years.
Tyler Diaz
Why don't you? Whites have a culture to look back to at the very least. Niggers can look back to mud huts AND look forward to prison.
Josiah Adams
So everything else that has been depicted as white we can say is bs too. thx.
Ian Lee
I really don't know...He's a handsome dark fellow with eyes as blue as the skies of a European spring.
Brody Robinson
WHG were probably somewhat tanned/dark, but yeah saying he was "black skinned" is going way beyond it, especially since even africans themselves aren't necessarily super black like negroids i.e see Bushmen. A recent article I remember suggested how negroid's dark hue is caused by a specific mutation they possess and that thus archaic undifferentiated sapiens were probably just tanned.
For instance the Villabruna HG from Italy, part of the same "tribe" so to speak as the Cheddar man, possessed the derived allele for "veddoid brown skin", which should led to some partial depigmentation already
Ayden Turner
wtf i'm a wog now, i will now bathe in aftershave and knock out some old white woman with a sucker punch
Jack Jones
You're legitimately retarded
Henry Martin
>10k is nothing in anthropological terms the only people who dont believe this are those who claim racial superiority
>Humans have been in Europe for over 100k years. also doesnt contradict anything and is still nothing in the realm of biology >Across a broad range of species, the research found that for a major change to persist and for changes to accumulate, it took about one million years.
Angel Gomez
That's because they're just fucking with you. I've seen 2 articles, one posted in Alternative History and the other posted in "Science and Entertainment." When has that ever been a category? It's usually Arts and Entertainment, or Sports and Entertainment." Cheddar Man is pure fiction
Hudson Diaz
The scientists who recreated the face were two dutch students at UCL.
Also, it's Brits proving these Dutch 'scientists' wrong.
Also, this is all coming from a yank.
Robert Brooks
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Jordan Reyes
hilldawg chance
Noah Anderson
>[distant fake laughing]
Brandon Howard
here, this is how they reconstructed the WHG from Loschbour, again, same "tribe" so to speak as Cheddar
Thomas Campbell
because I’m not kicking and screaming that humans might be more related to humans than we thought who would have known?
Josiah Moore
Cro-Magnon look almost identical to modern Finns. If I'm remembering correctly, they also have similar genes. It's a near-guarantee they were light-skinned.
I remain skeptical. The only people on Earth who are this dark all live in extremely hot environments. Even the "muh eskimo" argument is catshit when you actually look at how dark Eskimos are. They're not fucking niggers.
Blake Diaz
Life is can be hard and mysterious(What is white). It's nice to get chuckle, here and there.
Hudson Walker
They put the story out to cover up the findings in Guatemala, Egypt and vids related
How the fuck does that delegitimizes any white supremacist talking point? Don't WS believe whites are more evolved and adapted to the european environment than africans? This would fall exactly into their narrative. It also doesn't "debunks" the fact that it was whitw britons and other white europeans that built the country.
Idk how could anyone see this and say "HA! BTFO!". They're literally using pic related "argument" By these leftist's logic "humans dont deserve nor have a claim to earth because if you go back enough our ancestors weren't human" Also isnt it interesting they NEVER push these anti-nativist shit to asian countries? Also isn't it interesting the do the opposite and push extra nativist propaganda to amerindians?
These people want us to believe Europeans aren't native to anywhere and that they materialized out of thin air and colonized the entire world. They're fucking insane.
Samuel Moore
Cromagnons are completely outside modern genetic variation, Finns/Estonians perhaps sort of share the highest drift with them but that's about it
Noah Morris
kek, the AI dont know how to respond correctly
Thomas Morales
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Leo Rogers
>Cromagnons are completely outside modern genetic variation Provide evidence.
Matthew Gutierrez
Stop acting like a nigger
Hudson Ross
>we wuz black >we wuz white >we wuz black >we wuz white they seem to just change it back and forth every year. almost like its all bullshit
Ayden Gomez
Can someone photoshop the skin to white and his hair to light brown with reddish nose and cheeks
Dylan Morris
Stop acting like a fanatic
Camden Price
Fake news alert: there are a few fake science articles going around with a new reconstruction of a WHG skull from England known as Ceddar man. I have stated that WHG had darker skin than modern Europeans and that they also all had blue eyes. We cannot tell exact pigmentation but to call them “black” is incredibly dishonest because it not only describes a complexion we cannot confirm but also a specific genetic racial category that WHG did NOT fall into. The closest living relatives to WHG are modern Europeans such as Estonians who have a lot of WHG dna and are not African! The reconstruction not only makes the man very dark, but also beardless like many Africans and lacking the distinct brow ridges that those with significant Neanderthal admixture have (Africans do not have this and WHG did). Facial reconstruction leaves a lot of room for the “imagination” of the reconstructor.
Another misleading headline describes the ceddar man as a “briton” which makes no sense because as i have explained, a 2017 study showed that over 90% of the DNA of the British isles was replaced in the late neolithic by an invasion of bell beaker people from Holland who were themselves descended in part from steppe peoples. All celtic and germanic people in Britain are descended from these people, so 10,000 years ago most of our ancestors were living in Russia and were not in any way black! Those people are the ancient britons since they are the progenitors of our people.
Media twist scientific facts for an obvious agenda. Please be aware that all science is heavily politicised these days.
Michael Taylor
it says only 1/10 brittons are related to him, and he has the same bone structure as whites
since you cant read i guess that means you are one of those niggers
Brody Williams
even a simple PCA is enough and that's talking about epipaleolithic "cromagnons", upper paleolithic Cromagnons are even more distant
Charles Jackson
kek. under-rated post.
Jackson Powell
Damn, this thread is starting to feel like old/pol/. Actual information being posted, Euroliberals lying their asses off about race, a round of "find the jew" (successful). I miss Sup Forums being like this.
I know. The fact they're calling him a "Briton" at all is facetious.
>since you cant read i guess that means you are one of those niggers I don't know what the hell you believe you're arguing with.
I'll just say I don't know enough about this subject to have a strong opinion. I know what the fossil remains have to say, but not the genes. Ironically, I know more about Pleistocene African genetics than European genetics.
Thomas Perry
>Nothing has been peer-reviewed this
Jayden Sanders
saved
Julian Sullivan
And yet, one of those groups single-handedly delivered all the others from the shitholes they lived in.
Aaron Bell
and then the group they brought built your entire civilization just so you can shoot up schools and jerk of to furry porn
at least in Africa when you shoot at 8 year olds they can shoot back
Xavier Roberts
>roman empire never ended it just changed its name
The Roman were in Britain after the Vikings, but please tell more.
Justin Cox
This chick I know is "helping" niggers in africa right now, she posted pictures on social media for attention. They literally still live in huts and havent figured out a means of wheeled equipment to haul water or supplies (much less transport themselves).
I laughed and laughed.
Eli Ross
RICHAARD, DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND MEMES, RICHARD?
Nathan Foster
This. If Cheese Guy lived next door to you, you'd have no idea. i.e. not a nigger /thread /(((science)))
Jeremiah Robinson
Post pictoral proof, black out the girl's face
Jackson Ross
>The fact they're calling him a "Briton" at all is facetious. what? you think he got a green card 10k years ago? he lived in Britain and has the exact same bone structure as other Brittons and is related to 1/10 of all modern Brittons you’re not convinced as to why they call him a Britton? like you said, 10k years is nothing
Wyatt Roberts
>and then the group they brought built your entire civilization just so you can shoot up schools and jerk of to furry porn
Go back up enough, and sure enough you will find a white person at the helm of everything. Even this push towards equality is engineered by whites. Bringing in refugees? White leadership. Globalism? White leadership.
Negroes and chinks wouldn't and can not exist without a white person to guide them. And despite all sucking underprivileged dick, it doesn't change the fact most brownskins are useless squats.
Get your head off your anus. Are you even black? Or are you yet another white shield?
Brayden Perez
>like you said, 10k years is nothing In other words, his ancestors would not have gone from black as coal to white as a sheet within that time frame. You're really pushing hard for some bizarre reason.
Jaxon Martin
>These people want us to believe Europeans aren't native to anywhere
There is constant propaganda to promote this idea, but it goes further than that. They also promote the idea that there are no such things as Europeans or Englishman. Ironically at the same time they constantly promote the idea that Africans and Asians have always been here and a part of our culture
Adrian Ross
this, please
Evan Gomez
you took all the best Africans, no shit they are behind
>I laughed I laughed when cali didnt realize that its retarded to grow grapes in the desert and are facing a massive drought and when you had to choose between a reality tv star and a warlord to run your country
Levi Lee
You realize I can easily find any random picture on the internet of "mission trips to africa" and just post those right? Because they ll are literally niggers still living in huts hauling water on their heads.
I mean, If you insist......... >third bing search result for mission trip to africa >mud hut wall in background you cant make this shit up kek