>didn't have insurance for a month
>had to take two kids to the doctor
>1 year and 2 year well child visit
>appointment was 1hr
>probably saw doctor for 15 minutes
>statment just came in for $1024.88
>I paid $17 per minute of the appointment
>I paid $60 per minute of seeing the dr
>Finally get health insurance
>$823 per month for a family plan
>This is actually normal rates
Maybe socialized medicine is the answer, Sup Forums.
>falling for the (((doctor)))
Let me guess, your children were perfectly healthy but you insisted on them having to see a doctor while you weren't insured? Why the fuck should anyone else have to pay for that exactly? Maybe kys and your children is the answer.
This is how it works. Here's how you beat this:
>Time for shots
>Go to local dept. of health
>wait in line
>get free shots
Wellness visits are virtually unnecessary. Here's the run down:
1. No your kid isn't retarded, but..
2. If boy: Your son likely has ADHD
3. If girl: She's perfectly fine; when she turns 12, however, she should probably start birth control in order to regulate other hormonal functions
4. Can't leave until you get this flu shot, though.
>take kids to the white coated jew in order to make their immune system weaker
ISHIGGY
I know the struggle kek
That’s a huge bitch
>Not waiting until you have insurance again
>Wasting your money on cobra (presumably)
For what purpose
get a real job
even mcdonalds has health insurance coverage
Not having medicaid.
>Having kids you can’t pay for.
Get a real job/career. My wife has her own insurance through her work. $70 every 2 weeks. I pay $109 every 2 weeks total for myself and my 2 boys. It’s good health insurance too.
>5'10" v 5'11"
Yes it is. No person on earth should be paying what you did for a simple doctor's visit.
Why is socialized medicine the answer? So I can pay for your shitty kids? Remove government from healthcare and let free markets determine the price. Watch prices drop like yer gran pappys ball sack
no. eliminating the middleman, health insurance companies, is the answer.
Just don't pay it, what are they gonna do?
My son had an 80,000$ surgery. I paid 100$ thanks to my top tier insurance. Your example is dumb.
>he pays Big Boss Shecklstein for insurance
Sure glad I live in the unionized northeast.
what you just described is socialized health care.
in what fucking other place do you not look at the cost before buying something?
do you go to a restaurant and say, "yeah i'll take fifteen lobsters and twenty five sides." without looking at the menu?
how fucking stupid are you?
How about you negotiate that shit down? Tell the doctors office that shit is fucking retarded and they'll lower the bill. It's literally what insurance companies do.
>Can't leave until you get this flu shot
Never again
When paying cash for services that usually are covered by insurance you first have to realize that this ain't walmart. The whole system is based around negotiation and settlement.
Do what the insurance company does. Tell them you won't pay that much. Make an offer that you find reasonable haggle with them for a bit. You will end up paying a lot less.
What I'm getting at is you need to learn how to make a deal like a big boy.
Or just ignore this advice and push to ruin society with your basic bitch, Bernie-bro, muh gibbs, bull shit.
It's because you're paying for hordes of niggers and they are lying about the real reason
ask me how much I paid.
$0
Cheap kike
isn't that for burgerpoors
don't be anti-semitic
Because you're a leftwing parasite who can't afford to pay for decent healthcare, so instead you leech and blame the rich
>Maybe socialized medicine is the answer, Sup Forums.
Only in the sense that if they are going to tax us in the countries our forefather's built then they have to give us something in return.
Don't make our mistake, mutts.
Ask me how many leafs go to the cancer treatment center by my house because of the waiting lists in Canadastan.
About 20% of the total patients.
10 years of paying into the insurance covered that you retard.
Do this.
Just go in say I can’t pay that much. I will give you $120 cash right now to resolve it.
They will take it.
fuck off retard u have NHS, one of the best healthcare systems in the world
so 100 Canadians out of 36 million
cool anecdote bro
But Bernie and Trudeau said that peoplekind don’t do that.
I’m normally for small government, but with the way doctors and hospitals are price gouging, I’m starting to question if there’s any other alternative than single payer. Everyone bashes health insurers and pharmaceutical companies, but the majority of the expenses are from doctors and hospitals price gouging. Doctors are grossly overpaid in the US and this is not sustainable.
What a fucking moron, don't go to the doctor.
So your unemployed and never paid taxes?
That is one location. How many of these places are along the border area of USA and Canada and you see a bigger picture.
Wait until you have to deal with the wait lists for anything that is not an emergency then you will understand.
>before obamacare
>family of 4
>200 a month for everything
Maybe not having a nigger for president is the answer Sup Forums?
this is what you get for living with niggers
>go to see a medical doctor
>negotiate price after the visit
haha going to see a doctor is like going to a fucking market and haggling each other for a good price
truly the land of the free
823 US buffalos per month.
Chances are when you really need it they'll kick you out.
Never understood this system.
Doctors grossly overpaid?
8-10 years of school
Awful fucking hours
Stressful as hell
Malpractice insurance that wipes out 35% of you income. 35% is what you pay if you never had a legitimate claim it gets worse from there.
If they are so overpaid go to med school and become grossly overpaid.
>doctors and hospitals are price gouging
Newsflash moron, hospitals charge paying customers more to offset the cost of giving free healthcare to all those spics you love. You're paying $20 a quart for those fucking strawberries you're just too retarded to know it.
...I pay a ten bucks a month for full health/prescription coverage + full dental/vision. Hell, it even covers elective surgery. This is in the United States, and I'm not exactly making bank but I'm on a reasonable salary, so I'm wondering what shithole state you're living in that doesn't have adqueate state-level insurance programs.
Most family doctors only charge 40 bucks per visit. Fuck off.
Did they wave their medicinal magic wand and fix some non-existent problem?
There is no reason a wellness check should not have been the cost of an office vist, around $150. More stuff costs more.
I haven't had health insurance since Obama nigger told me I had to have it.
When and if I go to the doctor, I tell them exactly what I want, and exactly what I don't want.
One time I went in to see if my bone in my hand was broke. Told them I didn't want to see a doctor, I just wanted an xray so I could look at it. They tried charging me a doctor visit (didn't see a doctor) and a radiologist fee that they apparently sent to a radiologist to look at my xray. They sent me a big ass bill.
I paid them the Xray and office fee, about half of the bill. And I told them that I explicitly told them I did not want those services and that I was not paying those fees for them. They said they would send it to collection. I said, that's fine, I'll file in small claims court and win against and they'll lose 5 long time customers (my senpai) and never come to your clinic again.
They dropped the extra charges.
WE are the consumers. WE tell them what we want. And WE don't want to be paying to Tawanda with her usless medical coding degree to sit on her ass and bill insurance companies for unnecessary shit.
I am a cash paying customer, there is no medical coding necessary to write me a bill and I pay it or I don't. I am an empowered self-suffcient customer of health care.
Any rate, I found a libertarian doctor who likes cash, and if anything happens I'll elevate from there. He put whatever on the books that he has to, ya dig.
This
That's how you know this is a larp. No one would really do this with their own money.
I'd rather have to wait a little rather than go fucking bankrupt.
Americans wait too, and then still die.
I like to negotiate the price before hand, and yes, I do have insurance. I just found that the service is better and less burdened with restrictions (ie. drug choices, treatment options) when I pay cash. Maybe not the land of the (((free))) but if executed correctly the land of the dirt cheep.
All those shots are expensive at retail. They just seem free because insurance pays for them, but they get covered in the premium. Vaccines are a $25 billion/year business and growing. They're projecting it to become a $100 billion/year market.
How do they do that? They recommend more and more shots and start forcing kids to get them by law. Guaranteed revenue stream. (((Wall Street))) loves it. Money bitches.
Free market
don't like it don't buy it
With any Ocare plan you would have had a $6000 to $10000 deductible anyways on top of a $800-1200 per month.
Insurance rates pre Ocare were never this bad. Blame Obama.
>haggle with them for a bit
This.
They will shave off at least 25% without any real pressure at all. It probably saves them money by not having to fuck around with the insurance companies.
You amerigoys are getting absolutely fleeced. Your system sucks, it's basically fraud, anyone who defends it is a rural or suburban retard.
European Social Security is for pussies! Paying high premiums is freedom! 'MUUUURICA!
this
Meanwhile, without insurance and no government help, I pay 80 euros for an appointment with my doctor.
>Maybe socialized medicine is the answer, Sup Forums.
Now people are starting to see the writing on the wall.
What if their was something wrong with them and instead the bill would have ended up in the 5 figures. I swear moronic dutch posters are the WORST. Just IP range ban them already
Doctors fucking love cash. The service is better and you spend way less than the cost of an insurance plan.
America has had a shit ton of regulations for 50 years, maybe you should wonder why an hour's appointment costs months worth of savings instead of having trillions be funneled from the people to the government and shady corporations.
>UK #2
Pretty sure that's complete bullshit now, from what I heard the UK system is a complete shitshow now due to all the inbred Pakis overloading the system.
>she should probably start birth control
Kys nigger.
where do you want to start
>malpractice insurance is 100k
>tuition at most U.S. medical schools is 50k+ a year with a lot of students starting practice with 300+k in loans which accrue interest at a hearty rate of 2-3k / month (just interest)
>Mr. shekelstein attorney at law will sue for the littlest thing possible
>no patient can be turned down which includes niggers and spics who have medicaid
You need to fix all of the above first before you can get cheaper healthcare. americans are the reason for this system. they deserve its just desserts.
and don't get me started on the FDA approval for medication...
If your shit isn't broken don't get it looked at. Last thing I'll ever pay for is worry wart asshat parents taking their little snots into the doctors five times a week.
>Has kids
>Doesn't have insurance
shouldn't have had kids if you can't afford them
Are you being serious or ironic? Because you are either retarded or a genius I can’t tell.
He's saying what modern doctors will tell you at a health exam for children. They push birth control and ADHD medicine like drug lords. I was given Adderall and Ritalin and always flushed it down the toilet and I did fine in school. ADHD is a fucking meme to drug your kids because American teachers are worthless.
You stupid fuck, you pay with taxes being taken out of your checks. Unless you are a homeless bum with no income
u retards have taxes taken out of your cheques too
and u still have to pay for healthcare too
And you pay even if you never go to a doctor. I'm 27 and I haven't been to the doctor since I was 16 because I actually take care of my health and I don't run to the emergency room just because my tummy hurts like most retards.
>cant afford to go to a doctor
>go anyway
>cry that you have to pay
??????????
And we don't want more taken out just to keep poor niggers like you alive kek. Why would I want to help someone like you who can't take care of themselves?
Holy fucking shit dude. I got my gallbladder removed. I paid 250 usd anually for major medical insurance, 250,000 usd coverage. Total cost of 1 month hospital plus surgery 32,500 usd in a private top quality hospital. I only paid 250 usd, and I got the medical insurance 2 weeks before actually needed it.
Suddendly, my shithole seems comfy.
>mfw poor people in Monterrey México have better treatment for free in my the UANL university hospital than burguers that spend thousands of dollars in medical care.
Honestly, it's not funny, even my medical care is of less quality that the uni where I study.
Austin Baraki is a strong guy.
>he thinks he's not paying for it
>cant afford health insurance for children
>still paying for internet
maybe god wants your kids to die because you're a dead-beat dad
If it was only for whites. You cant support your brown hordes with a social system
does that person have two phones? taking a photo from each hand?
Maybe a crematorium instead of doctor's visit next time.
Except you're legally forced to make sure your kids have wellness visits whether they're sick or not
1. usa system is already socialist
2. socialism prevents growth and competition and innovation, hence the hyperinflation.
Jesus Christ. Stealing diamonds and gold gets you good healthcare.
>IZLY IZLY IZLY
>U NEVR LEARN, MEN
>impling
Exactly, even here in Europe 1000 dollars per appointment is crazy talk. If I didn't knew better I would think OP was making a joke. But hey it's the American way, they are fine with that system so be it.
Another user has covered it but a lot of the margin is because of non-paying illegals. Also insurance is a business and if they can worm out of paying they will. The NHS would be perfect if: everyone had to have paid in for x years (exception for under 21s), ivf was not covered, trans we're not covered, lifestyle advertising (eat more veg etc) was not covered and no prescriptions were free. (Unemployed, children and pensioners get free prescriptions, as do everyone in Wales and Scotland. In England it's £9/item. The result is that people get aqueous cream, paracetamol, and other cheap stuff on prescription because it's free, but because of supply chain issues the NHS pays over the odds for it.)The NHS is ideal but needs to be scaled back and focus on real medicine, fixing acute and chronic disease, and get rid of trusts, managers, nurse managers, handwashing coordinators, and retard niggers in jobs for life.
This. People with coverage already pay for people without it. This is one of the primary problems with our system. That and the fact that all insurance is coupled with employment (which is unnecessary) and that it's currently illegal to purchase insurance from states you don't reside in.
If this was socialized healthcare, you’d have to wait 3-4 months to get a doctors appointment because of idiots like you taking healthy kids to the doctor for no reason
Because you're so poor your healthcare is subsidized by people who are actually productive and beneficial to society. You're a parasite.
>People with coverage already pay for people without it.
And hypochondriacs, and trannies, and fat fucks and and and. I guess in the US you have the freedom to risk not having insurance, I have to pay my taxes. We still pay a lot less per head than the US and have good outcomes. I think the media is too keen to paint the NHS as crumbling: the left so they can whine for higher taxes and the right to they can sell it off to their friends. If what gets written about the NHS got written about even a shit hospital in the US, the news outlet would get sued and jewed hard. I'm not saying the NHS is perfect but it's actually pretty good, I have family and friends in different parts of the country and the general reports are of decent and committed staff and good service.
I wouldn't let a single paki doctor in the country if I were in charge though, they have no empathy and huge inbred jihadi families.
My doctor bulk bills medicare so i don't pay a cent, only my medicare levy annually. Private health cover here is becoming expensive though, the assholes keep jacking their premiums up.
Borzoi long boi
Also here you can have private medical insurance too, I have it and it covers dental, physio, elective surgery, cancer treatment etc. There's no private emergency medicine available so the cost is low. I pay £30/month and my employer matches it. Basically if I needed a knee replacement or similar I would go private and have no waiting list.
Sue the doctor for charging you a different price than insured people. I don't get why this is considered legal. If that doesn't work sue him for malpractice and settle for free healthcare.
dont go to the doctor unless you are very ill
"well visits" are a scam
You can literally go to urgent cares or various hospital-linked clinics and pay in cash for about 200 bucks max for almost any visit in the US.
The reason why the cost is so high is due to government subsidizing.