If the UK can't become a super power due to not having the population or the land, what is the point of going on?
Seriously, why pay taxes, why build things, why do anything for this country if it can phyiscally never catch up? The whole thing is a waste of our time and our lives.
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Now if we are forced to exist in the shadow of USA, China, Russia etc. and we aren't allowed to win. Why don't we put our ICBMs to use? if we aren't allowed to win, lets make everyone lose.
I'm kind of with your first post. Although different reasoning.
But what do we do about it?
I have the perfect plan to make the UK a superpower again but I won't tell you.
We didn't have the population or the land on paper to become the biggest empire of all time in the past. But we did it anyway. It's not about Land, it's not about Numbers. It's about ideas, implementation and courage.
But can we achieve it again in our lifetime? Honestly.
I think we should force a separation between people happy with the status quo, and those who don't want to play along any more.
The threat of ~20% of the country not paying into the system could wreck the economy.
Add the effect of those who "stay" with the current arrangement being the ones forced to live with/pay for mass migration...
You think numerical strength matters?
It's about power projection and ability to operate globally at-will.
We spend almost nothing (2% GDP, including pensions) on the military.
What do you think we could do if we spent more like 6% (as Israel does) on our military?
Even assuming our GDP never increases, that would be a vast increase in capability.
The answer is to periodically take the bottom 5% of the country and flush those turds somewhere else, just like companies do with "corporate excellence" programs. A couple of pruning cycles like that and we'd be in much better shape.
Also, very very harsh winters, very hot summers, would fix the NHS no problem as the top 20% sickest old people drop dead, rather than continue to cost the NHS money for the next 25 years.
We should adopt ol musky
I would nominate him for king after betty dies, fuck chuck n willis
Fuck merika, canada and south africa
Reddawn when?
I don't know, but i don't see why not. There's no point in falling into nihilism bro.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.
This is the answer.
I think having more land, access to resouces and man power is more important than anything. So with your plan, would our military catch up to the USA? Or would the power in control at the moment prevent us from doing so?
Pretty sure that's what the Chinese thought thousands of years ago, yet they consistently got destroyed by the West.
There'l be a second Industrial Revolution at some point with the mass automation of manufacturing jobs and the transition of most of the labor force into service, and the rest of the world will have to keep up as always.
>Rothschilds used to become an Empire, but trashed them to stop Hitler and started using US of A as their hit man.
Don't be bitter...
You can go back to selling slaves, being Chinese dope dealers, and stealing spices..
But whats the point slaving away at stuff and dying old, never to see the fruit of your labour? Its a waste of life to make the next generation happy. Fuck them, what about us?
Third*, sorry
You could become a sjw version of North Korea
You could re-colonize Africa but you'd get cucked by the UN
More likely: Islamic superpower by 2030
Why? If we can't catch up and being equally as great, why sit here and watch them out perform you? I just really like the idea of "Let Britain catch up and be equally as powerful, or we fire all our ICBMs and make the planet inhabitable". And techincally the current superpower have way more to lose than us.
RULE BRITANNIA
>But whats the point slaving away at stuff and dying old, never to see the fruit of your labour? Its a waste of life to make the next generation happy. Fuck them, what about us?
This is exactly the kind of boomer mentality that got us into this mess
Right now, as a relatively rich economy in the world, we can "afford" to spend little on military, just a few percent. If the economy grows, the percentage may even reduce. This is why having % GDP targets is silly by the way, for NHS, for military, whatever.
A'll we'd have to do, that said, is bring spending in-line with (say) Israel at about 6% of current GDP and this would enable a huge step-change in our capability.
Could have had 4 carriers not 2, with 1 perma-stationed in Australia.
Could have long-range bomber capability, think Avro-730, bases on British crown protectorates or overseas territories.
Could have the money for a proper drone program.
See what I mean, we can't catch up because other countries exist and they will fight us every step of the way.
>Try to invade a country to increase British territory
The whole UN descends upon you
>Try to build a bigger army
Everyone sanctions you
The current super powers have put blockades in place to prevent us from achieving.
Ok, but wouldn't other countries see us increasing our percentage on military and to counter us they would increase as well? Leaving us in the same situation?
Second question, if this is the way forward to becoming a superpower, why aren't we doing this?
>The current super powers have put blockades in place to prevent us from achieving.
Don't you have bigger fish to fry? You are literally getting raped inside out by barbarian hordes while your politicians facilitate it and the royal family sits idly by. Your problems are all internal - Brits have completely lost their national identity, and your power structure is hell-bent on enforcing Communism-lite while cracking the whip on any whispers of right wing political movements (pic related)
If by some stroke of luck you were able to implement British nationalism, I think the UK could truly be a force to be reckoned with, but Brits have no concept of what it means to be British any more
> Its a waste of life to make the next generation happy. Fuck them, what about us?
If every Briton had thought like that in the past we'd still be living in mud houses. Your children will be the next generation. Why would you not be invested in making their lives better?
Countries can increase their spending in-step if they have the money, or take money from other programs. Take continental Europe for example. For 70 years they have spent very little on military (the USA is their military, holding back Russia) and have chosen to spend the money on social programs and free-gibs-me-dat for countries joining their EU club.
Ever wonder why 700m Europeans (including 2 nuclear powers) cannot hold back 145m Russians (economy the size of Italy)? It's because they are not serious about defence... and they are not serious because their militaries dont really matter when the USA can be counted on to pay for everything and die defending Europe.
This is why an EU army is a gigantic joke, it will only ever be for show, they wont spend the money to make it a real fighting force (and so free themselves from US). Europe will continue to be a buffer zone for when Russia heads west.
this a very wise point of view. Become friend of superpower germany and we rule the world.
The anglo must fight back against the invaders.
RIP Bowden
We invented viagra
If it wernt for us
Limp dicks all over the wurl
Wouldnt be able to get it up and impregnate bitches
Your welcome white merica
I like your idea about the climate, that's really good. Although as a proud Englishman, I am fond of the rain. I think rain and drizzle by itself is enough to keep pakis away in some places. The sun might encourage them.
You're not entirely wrong, but I don't think "British" is really a thing.
It certainly needs re-defining if it is
eg "Pakistani-British" doesn't count. I think English nationalism is the answer, whether it ends up actually habbening or not.
Make Europe Great Again?
The fact is, that if the NHS takes a very unhealthy old person and saves their life... it is actually a disaster for the service... because they then go on to live another 25 years needing a load of expensive care. This is the irony of it all. The better job the NHS does... the worse it is for the NHS in some respects.
The answer is to do something about the tend of billions cost per years our of the £125b NHS budget, that is down to purely lifestyle problems (drink, obesity, T2-diabetes, drug abuse, etc). I think those alone cost the NHS about £20-30b annually. Meanwhile public moans about a £1-2b NHS increase or cut.
I'd like to see an Anglo-sphere trading bloc that could easily dominate every other bloc in the world.
Our old man of a state was dying at the turn of the century, two world wars only accelerated it's death, accept our fate, it's time to be swallowed by another leviathan.
Because we are only going to exist once. Once we are dead we are lost to the void forever. If this is our one shot at life, why don't we try and get the things we want?
Third World Shithole Germany. In less than 10 years Germany will simply be called Niggertown.
>U.K.
>SUPER-POWER
>1% WHITE
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>If this is our one shot at life, why don't we try and get the things we want?
The reason you are here now is because your ancestors passed the torch of liberty down through the generations, paying their dues in the process. It's your duty to honor them by doing the same.
>we all suffered, you should suffer to.
No.
Nations with nuclear weapons programs should never have to feel this sad.
It's a good thing, if we feel the game is rigged and we can't win, we have a reset button.
1. we need our jingoism back.
we need to stop being ashamed of our armed forces which is are nations history, waterloo, navy, ww1 and ww2. we are a nation born out of war so we should stop living in the liberal dream of denile.
2. get out of the shadow of America.
we are our own nation so we should start acting like it and stop pretending to be like a 53rd state and get the yanks to pull their weight on the "special friendship" which i believe on exist because americans are to lazy to learn another languague.
3. deliberately make our welfare below other European countries.
immigrents will stop swarming in if are welfare is worse than other european countries because it will be easier to go some where else which provides more free shit. secondly this will force the chavs to get off their arses for once.
4. end tv licence
once the main souce of the bbc's revenue is gone mabe they will start to give a shit about their job since their position will no longer be financialy safe.
5. get the police to do their fucking job.
if the police would actualy patrol the streets instead of clicking refresh 24/7 on an ex soliders tweeter profile then we can get ride of sex gangs, romanian theives, biker gangs and "beggers"
you have nukes, your already a super power ya fuckin idiot, also your roths childs control everything so your bigger then you think.
> Because we are only going to exist once. Once we are dead we are lost to the void forever.
Firstly, you don't even know that to be true. But, think what you want.
> If this is our one shot at life, why don't we try and get the things we want?
You want the UK to be a superpower again right? So do something about it. Anything that helps.
Your cake and eat it with no effort or dedication mindset is passive and weak man. If you don't change out of your nihilism phase you aren't going to manifest any of the goals you want to see fulfilled.
How do you think you're sitting in your comfy house with electricity and plumping? 'cause your ancestors weren't being selfish fuckheads like your currently being. WAKE UP SON OF BRITAIN.
>muh pleasure
Are you really that soft? Grow a spine you pussy
You really are an insufferable cunt
51st state when?
It has always been the answer - don't you wonder why it's always been rebelled against
1st colony when?
You should use one of those petitions you sign on the internet to advocate for application for statehood, lad.
Ok so this is what we need, how do we go about getting it in a realistic and timely manner?
Only like 150, is that enough to defeat the rest of humanity?
Give me a good logical reason?
cullture and money my friend. people follow trends and trends follow money.
Or have a few thousand of us very publicly apply for asylum from the political persecution we face in our own country?
But your first step would be an online petition, I think.
^ Really making me think about my thoughts on this thread.
Those things are usually ignored.
If it went through, few MP's are likely to attend.
The media will ignore it anyway.
Our laws are made elsewhere. Parliament is a talking shop.
I just don’t see the blacks staying in cold areas... they like to be all humid and sweaty
>Give me a good logical reason?
My words aren't hitting home so I can't help you. I used to have similar thoughts but Sup Forums helped me channel my nihilism into nationalism
Your apathy may not be natural - cultural Marxist ideas are used to give people the mindset you are arguing in favor of
Pakistan gets plenty of rain.
UK has gibs.
in simple terms shit doesn't get done unless you do it.
I’d be okay with this. Is england in charge for tradition reasons or are we, being being the most populous? What is the answer to the PoC question?
Indeed sorry.
I can't be nationalistic because from my perspective, I was born in a random location at a random time. The people who came before me used their intellect to trick people into serving them (e.g feudalism). And now I just happen to be born here and everyone tells me "I am British", but again this is just a tool in place to make us all cogs in a machine.
The only reason I want good things for Britain is because it is socially accepted that I can't change my nationality at the click of fingers, barriers have been set up to keep me here, keep me British and keep me working. And since I am forced to be here, I want things to be better.
It wouldnt need to be a question of who is in-charge. I wouldnt even make it a structure like the EU. Something else could be arranged.
Listen burger. The honest truth is that unless something is done by about 2060 China is going to be the dominant power, due mostly to geography.
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The Anglosphere is our only way to remain the dominant culture in the world and lock-in the last several hundred years our fathers fought for.
British Crown is biggist land owner in world.
London banking captial world.
British have biggist tax free haven islands in world with most worlds hidden money gold.
The British are big powerfull you just hide it
If we are powerful, why hide it?
So if nobody is in charge and it doesn’t have a structure, what exactly is it? You could be absorbed into the USA and we could drop the A, for obvious reasons. I don’t mean to insult you so don’t take it that way, but the states were originally a collection of countries united, we could return to that essentially
>ICBMs make the world inhabitable
What are these missiles of peace you talk about?
>SNP logo
They literally want to turn into Sweden
Other ones have been ignored because they're the sort of things they expect from you, but I think this one would surprise them and the media would cover it at least enough to somewhat demoralise your establishment.
you see we are going to make a nuclear strike on cuba so the Russians will have to retaliate but our trident programme means our missiles are mobile so the Russians cant effectively strike us meaning we can win a nuclear war so only the true patriots are left... wait this seems familiar.
Trident nuclear programme
>implying Americans aren't infatuated with Ireland
Not that that's a bad thing. But Ireland sympathizes with savages too much, they think "they're victims of Imperialism just like us" and are anti colonialism, unaware that British colonies literally allowed the Irish seed to spread far and wide and flourish abroad.
Shhhsh, so nobody finds out
I know this is going to sound like heresy to most Brits, but the only way this can happen is if the USA and UK combine into one nation. I'm not going to insinuate that we should turn you into a state--that would be insulting to the British and their thousands of years of history. We could combine into one gigantic nation with shared military, government duties (I'm not sure how this would work seeing as our federal system is much different than yours), and a name change. UKSA: United Kingdom and States of America maybe? I'm sure someone else could come up with a less retarded name.
We destroyed the EU ourselves... a alliance between Germany, France and UK would be unstoppable... maybe the other little nations like austria and belgium etc, but nothing apart from that.
Europe would come back to its former glory...
It's a great idea, but the problem is: It ain't going to happen (At least not anytime soon).
First step in the right direction.
I suggest you arm yourselves and claim back your Capital from Muslim invaders.
>arm yourselves
If europe and usa stands together, maybe we stay relevant even when china and india start taking over
Naturally the USA will take charge, but we incorporate Brittania and Australia as multiple autonomous states.
I don't want the UK to be a superpower at the moment, we need internal purging before we become a power again.
I think that would be insulting to them and they'd never go for it willingly. We could have something like an Anglosphere EU but with the addition of a shared military.
We could have an Anglophone Commonwealth. The U.S. wouldn't take charge as it would be confederated, in fact we could confederate it below country level and have it at state or county level.
Why make yourself a target or draw attention to it
You are like Israil and Saudi Arabia
There would be no way that could happen here because that would not only entail the complete dismantling of our government, it would also completely eliminate individual states rights/laws which was why the American Civil War was initially fought (that and niggers of course). Each nation would have to function autonomously outside of military matters. Such a union would only work without bloodshed if we emulated the EU model and built upon it.
Could be worse
I don't mean the dissolution of states, just a bunch of people from Kansas, Wessex and wherever just discussing local issues and whatnot. Basically an international town hall.
Australia, NZ and Canada should join in too
And we can make a little shrine for Rhodesia, the brother we betrayed.
Quebec should be allowed independence too imo.
If we get rid of our 'parasites' that is.