Is it me or mages in Nasuverse are weak af

Is it me or mages in Nasuverse are weak af

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She killed Servants.

Nah, servants are just ridiculous.

Powercreep

opposite. in nasu verse they dont follow D&D formula of fragile glass canon mages for "balance. in nasu verse mages are strong as fuck will all the enchantments and wards and shit.

They're weak when it's convenient to the plot, and strong when it's convenient to the plot.

more like anus, amrite?

The only badass mages in Nasuverse are the ones with True Magic like Aoko or Zelretch, and even Zel got nerfed after his battle with crimson moon. Apart from them, the authors try to build a lot of fake hierarchies (Shirou

Wtf
A single DnD mage can curbstomp the whole nasuverse

D&D mages are setup for video games

nasu mages are full of broken shit made up for plot purpose. bazet, kotomine, araya or any other physically able mages would rip ANY d&d champs head off in 0.01 sec.

Conceptual powers
>muh dick

>Consistent world dynamics
>Fate

Learn English you fucking retard.

when?

>Well against Caster she
she only punched caster, she entirely failed to kill. Kuzuki got onto her for being a failure who couldn't settle it. Since she failed to kill within one attack, the situation was going to reverse upon her almost immediately if Archer had not interpreted.
>Well she killed Sabe-
she didn't kill saber
>W-well against berser-
she didn't kill him either.

You never actually saw what D&D mages are capable of, right? There is a reason why there is a lot of bitching about martials falling off in later levels, and D&D martials already can pull off incredible bullshit.

>she didn't kill him either.

Ars Almadel Salomonis > D&D verse.

Nasuverse mages are as equally capable as most D&D spellcasters until you start hitting level 9 spells,at which point powerwise you need to start comparing them to the True Magics anywaybecause they're ascommon as each other.

Nasu mages are more like a weaker version of white wolf mages

Shirou's possibly the most Obrimos fucker I've ever seen in an Urban Fantasy. More so than most Obrimos characters I've actually seen.

Don't care if that's Awakening

>gets sneak attacked by a person she trusted for most of her life
>somehow an indication of strength

Top joke.

Mages in the Nasuverse range from weak as fuck (Waver) to hilariously overpowered (Roa, Merlin, Barthmeloi) and everything in between.

The general consensus is that modern mages are not as powerful as mages from the age of gods and heros however many of them are a force to be reckoned with. Barthmeloi for example hunts DAAs for sport.

She killed Berserker once.
She wrecked Caster in a fist fight

made cum =/= kill

What is la petite mort.

Basically this, plot armour is too strong

I forgot RN art is actually somewhat decent. Thanks Takeuchi

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Mage's Association, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on sealing designation targets, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in magical warfare and I’m the top enforcer in the entire Clock Tower. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of magi across the world and your location is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Clock Tower and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Its you, OP. You are a filthy secondary.

And yet funnily enough she also got betrayed and backstabbed by Kirei, just like Rin and her dad.

Half the stuff you do in Mage, Ascension or Awakening, would be considered True Magic by Nasuverse standards.

Time sphere? True magic as fuck, literally one magus in the entire Nasuverse can mess with this, and she doesn't seem to be capable of doing as much as a high tier Time mage.

Correspondence/Space sphere? Nearly everything this sphere can do is either True Magic or Age of Gods tier thaumaturgy.

Life sphere? The Einzberns have been unsuccessfully trying to do some of the less impressive stuff this sphere can pull off for generations.

Entropy sphere? True Magic.

Prime sphere? Extremely True Magic.

All the power in the world wont work against getting backstabbed from a man who appears trustworthy.

Nasuverse magic/magecraft has tons of restrictions in its rules that kind of prevent magi/magicians from being as OP as other less restrictive series. Dark Schneider for example has some of the most bullshit magic out there. And then you have all the stupid magic shit in Umineko with universes being thrown around and author powers rewriting the story.

I just thought it was ironic when Bazett wound up in exactly the same position as Rin's in the OP. Except she wasn't so lucky.

>Umineko
Dont even mention that clusterfuck

Kotomine got cocky with Rin. He wanted to kill her like he killed Tokiomi so he just stabbed her once in the gut and let her bleed out.

Rin is a much better magus than her father through so that shit didnt fly.

With Bazett he wasnt trying to be poetic. He simply killed her as efficiantly as he could to claim her command seals. He had to be fucking quick about it to stop Cu from kebabbing him

Umineko magic is not even real

Mages are fucking gay.
Brawlers>Mages

What about Muscle Wizards?

>af
Maybe you should be asking on Facebook.

Fucking betafags, Men deliberatley trying to be pansies.

>Raphael sensei

You realize that image is from Kotomine catching her off guard, plus he was a executor with expertise in various fields of magic. plus she survived that and that's from the same route where she blew the head off Heracles

If you need magical aid to destroy your enemies then ur gay

Kirei isn't an assassin just for looks

You would think, but DND makes can't even reach E level stats in Grail War's stat system.
Nasu Mages can basically be physical monsters. Then again, most Nasu mages are fags who can't even fucking bother to keep themselves alive.
And that includes Kayneth.

>expertise in various fields of magic
All Kotomine specialised in was spiritual healing and exorcism. Outside of those, he was a pretty poor magus, who was just really good at killing people using church sacraments.

Expertise in killing people is really what matters in this case though.

too lazy to search for it but didn't Kiritsugu said he had various expertises in magic and other fields that once he mastered it he would switch that made him unable to realize what went in Kirei's head?

Besides he was an aprendice of Tokiomi doesn't sound to se like he would teach him exorcisms and heal and IIRC Rin said healing wasn't much her speciality (at least without the necklage)

Kotomine is OP, pls nerf

Also, Bazette was in love with him so it caught her off guard a lot more than Rin.

Murder is not various fields of magic.

IIRC, it was a case of Kotomine studied several things, displayed competency and possibility the ability to go on and master things, and then abandoned them. Which is what threw Kiritsugu, because he couldn't understand why Kotomine couldn't settle down.

Muscle Witches are the best.

Because in Nasuverse, the more technology advances the weaker magic gets

And there is True Magic, which is magic that makes stuff happen thats impossible for tech to replicate, this magic is nearly impossible for current mages to learn and the only known current user of it is a vampire

Shirou's projection also borders on True Magic. Its reasons are very different to the actual True Magic however.

Just finished the Fate route of the VN and I'm about to start UBW. I've heard the story in UBW is better but how does Tohsaka compare to Saber as the love interest

The route focuses less on Rin as the Fate route focused on Saber so you might find it a bit different.

UBW is Shirou/Archer's route rather than Rins. Rin makes for an excellent partner though, however this is the case accross all three routes. Her romance in UBW feels pretty natural and decently presented. Rin and Shirou have the best banter together.

The H-scene isnt anywhere near as romantic or heartfelt as Saber's 2nd scene though.

What the fuck are you talking about? Nothing Shirou does approaches True Magic.

Creating something from nothing that can hold its own form in relality is close to true magic.

The twist being that Shirou takes the materials from UBW rather than just ignoring equivalent exchange completely.

In the VN, Rin flips the fuck out when she discovers his cuckshed because all the things he projected in there violate the principle of equivalent exchange. She says it's sorcery.

At least it's not as awkward and out-of-place as Saber's 1st scene.

He's not making something from nothing. Everything he does costs something.

And Rin was wrong about half the shit she said in the same VN.

I'd argue that it is just as awkward, since both are simply there to establish some sort of magical contract or mangical energy exchange.

In their defence, fucking for mana exchange or for contract formation has long been a part of the Occult but neither made for romantic H-scenes.

At least Saber got her delicious scenes in Fate and HA and Rin got her delicious scene in HA

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You now realize Umineko EP5 blatantly ripped off the scene where Bazett learns about Kotomine never caring for her.

Again, creating something from nothing is Sorcery.

Shirou is taking material from a conceptual plane of existance intrinsically linked to him. This means that although it isnt True Magic in a pure sense, its really fucking close in practice.

More Rin forcing herself into the action for retarded reasons.

What he die was the equivalent of taking some electrons and turning them into a circuit board. Proper projection for existentially stable items requires raw materials

Rin getting in on it made sense at the start since she was the one who realised that the only chance they had for survival was to get of the most self depreciating and unsexual people in the fucking world to have sex

She had to get them in the mood somehow.

Reality Marbles in general are referred to being close to True Magic at some point, IIRC. That's probably a translation error or was retconned or just me remembering wrong though.

>Umineko ripped off X
Ryukishi is a raging TM and Touhoufag, this is well known. Yasu is essentially a less sympathetic Kohaku.

>OP
>Gets beaten by a child with autism
>Gets killed by his own servant

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>Gets killed by his own servant
To be fair, it's not exactly hard to die to a servant. It's more impressive he kept Gil of all people entertained for so long, pissing off Cu without Gil immediately on hard as insurance was pretty careless though.

Yep.

Modern mages maybe, magecraft as a whole peaked during the Age of Gods. Even if there are still a few OP non-Servant magi alive like the Aozakis and Kaleidoscope, they are plot armored characters and are not representative of the average quality of the magi of their time.

And then there's Tsumihoroboshi in Higurashi, which basically has the exact same basic plot as the finale of Heaven's Feel, with Rena as Sakura.

All the way down to the worms.

So the butler did it?

Just a reminder that TOHSAKA RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

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The whole universe is dumb. Just look at Assassin. Why the fuck is Assassin in there?

Finndiike

Delet this! Luvia is pure and would never fuck a loose whore like Rin. And Rin only fucks things with penises.

Do you mean Assassin the Class or the Servant?

nani

Can't you blink stars out of existence as a mage in that game?

>Delet this! Luvia is pure and would never fuck a loose whore like Rin
Rich foreign girls in anime have a thing for nip girls, this is a well-documented phenomenon.
>And Rin only fucks things with penises.
Provably canonically false, see Saber's first H-scene.

Is UBW the most deus ex machina power?
>Enemy has this weakness
>Oh so I just have to use this sword which happens to be very effective against that weakness of my enemy
And prana isn't a problem when Counter Guardian has plenty to spare

The butlermaidwitch, who's also a portal demon prototype witch, a pure white palette swap witch or a duo of ambiguously gendered palette swap love demons at times. It's okay, she/he/Beatri-xe had to wait six (that's an entire thousand!) years for a pony and couldn't decide which cousin to fuck, so of course they'd blow up the entire island.

The Servant.

I mean in theory maybe but it's never really used like that

nothing in the world is ever a problem with near unlimited prana, aside from shit grands are called in for. imagine artoria with infinite excaliblasts

He was there to fill the bromance quota

Saber is really old, tho. And a man.

I'm not sure that your point disproves his in any way at all. In fact, it rather supports it.

>Saber is really old, tho. And a man.
user, you're drunk. Go to bed.

Ascension is bullshit, archmages literally create their own worlds and manipulate all layers of reality.

Did they ever explain what happened to them? Hard to kill someone that basically can walk off from Hell back to reality.

Rin can fuck anybody, why are you pretending that's not true?

If Rin wants her she'll have her. You know this.

Depends what you're comparing them to, really.

The average Nasuverse mage is weaker than the average D&D mage for example, but still he would never lose to a normal guy unless he got caught off guard.

Also even between different Nasuverse mages there are gigantic gaps in power.

You just described GoB. UBW can't pull that kind of stunt because reasons.

Gil is retard and doesn't know every weapons he got in his box while Emiya can see a sword and knows what it can do. I don't really see how you can beat CG Emiya when he doesn't have the limited prana weakness

t. Has never played DnD ever before.

Magic users in Dnd (esp 3.5) have insane buffs/spells. At one point they'd just lay buff after buff and could literally 1 shot anything with a punch. It's retarded. Hell even in 5e you have spells like Wish and True resurrection which dwarf any fucking magic in nasuverse. mages in nasuverse are actually pretty shit, since you know magic is a dying art and they've lost all the true magics and can't find the root etc. Even Caster and other magus from back when magic was powered up couldn't compete with the high level shit in DnD. Like once you start hitting 8th level spells in DnD you're essentially a God.

What I'm saying is you're a dumb cunt and shouldn't spew shit because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Maybe if you went with "Mages like from wow" you'd be right about glass cannons and weaker then some of the Nasuverse magi. But nah you just had to go full retard.

Can some one tell me what is the purpose of the 3rd magic (heavens feel)? I still don't know what ghe fuck its supposed to do? Does it open portals?

Also why are literal whos like aoko and the einzberns able to cast "true magic" while no magicans from the age of the gods can do it and even the king of magic himself doesn't know true magic?

>Merlin
Let's not try to compare any Magi to the True Grand Caster shall we?

To be fair, infinite sword spam is the least of your troubles if a CG is after you. Really, anything summoned as a CG would probably murder you just because of the insane mana and the fact they'll keep coming until you die.

You can't really know True Magic during the Age of the Gods because all magic back then was True Magic.