Sucesses of socialism:

Sucesses of socialism:
>invention of the Internet (a DARPA government project, so it's socialist)
>free education
>rocket technology
>most of the mobile technology (government patents and require government funded spacecraft anyway)
>most of quality healthcare
>big data (originates from socialist cyberneticians, see Project Cybersyn)
>police and military protection (state-ran, socialist sectors)

Successes of capitalism:
>McShitburgers, unhealthy high sugar, high calorie diet which only strains healthcare with additional healthcare costs

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lange_model
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youtube.com/watch?v=u68hvTGyYvY
youtu.be/wm9MYU3SwBA
youtu.be/BcSVfLV-2C4
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Whichever one gets rid of the fucking brown people I could care less about all this other meme shit

Successes of Capitalism:
>the only system so far that can sustain half of the shit on your list

Lol no. Why does mostly capitalist Russia is now worse off than the mostly socialist China which was shit poor? China now has larger salaries than Russia and a larger economy than America in terms of GNP.
The only thing capitalism seems to be useful for is for a small private sector for those who crave chips, coke and McShitburgers.

Capitalism is the ultimate nigger breeding machine.

Wow all of the most unnecessary and harmful things
ready the gas, gasman

samefag, made a typo:
Why is the mostly capitalist Russia now worse off *

Rocket technology was Developed under Fascism.

Rocket technology was developed under National Socialism

Also, the South Korean economic miracle: one of the most spectacular of its kind, can largely be attributed to socialism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Year_Plans_of_South_Korea

Protip: if something is a government project, it's socialist.

Fine, without National Socialism we wouldn't have a space program.

I'll also add, Somalia is an ex Communist state that collapsed. But nice job leaving that out.

I just wanted to post that whenever I see a "It's Happening" picture I immediately discard the thread. It is never happening.

What is the point that you're trying to make?
As of me, my point is that mostly socialist systems are usually better, generate higher growth, and are more sustainable.
No one is arguing in favor of a full communist command economy. Market socialism (or state capitalism as communists and libertarians call it) is socialism, too.

Fascism had all those things but better.

>Successes of capitalism:
>>McShitburgers, unhealthy high sugar, high calorie diet which only strains healthcare with additional healthcare costs
FUCKING RETARDED STATEMENT that honestly doesn't deserve a response.
Sage this bullshit.

See: Norway , Sweden, Denmark, Finland, China, France.
Perfect examples of a big socialist government sector.
Almost all are better than America in one respect or another.

Pro tip: that’s not what socialism is, otherwise roads and mailmen would be socialist countries and that implies any sovereign nation is socialist. Only a 14 year old anarcho capitalist would consider any state run program as socialism.

Would mean socialist programs**

There's been far longer and better threads that were debated at length here. Saying these countries are better doesn't make it so.
Your points are trite, invalid, and not presented well. So this thread is going to slide because you're a dumb ass. Let other socialists argue at least with a modicum of intelligence.

Actually the US has more business regulations, taxation and a much larger government budget. If you believe that “every govt program is socialist” then the US is the most socialist nation is the Western Hemisphere

Any state-ran program is socialist by the very definition of the term. And even if we are to play on definitions on semantics, we still need to nationalize more industries to make the society better off: that doesn't change the point.

See previous post The US has more government run programs than any other nation on earth.

>all Government projects are socialist
Guess socialism is at fault for every war in human history then, neat.

Hitler's Third Reich had state planning and lots of nationalized industries you despicable nigger. Hitler even made a speech about the necessity of state planning (the "We don't have their colonies"..."this can not be accomplished without planning" speech).

This. The definition given implies every single nation and empire was socialist and capitalism never truly existed therefore Marx and other 18th century socialist philosophers were straight retarded. It’s insanely flawed

The US has a lot of nationalized industries, but not as many as, say, France or Norway.

Doesn’t matter...you said any government program...by sheer numbers alone the Us has more government programs and more govt spending than any other nation on earth...stop moving the goal post

Marx was but a small subset of socialist philosophers called scientific socialists. Communism is another name for scientific socialism.

But there are many other types of socialism. Market socialism is a type of socialism. If a government runs an industry in a market, it's market socialism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lange_model

It's not the sheer amount that counts, but the percentage of industries which are nationalized.

Doesn’t answer the problem the definition given creates. All empires and nations throughout history have collected taxes and have had government programs. Even the extremely right wing Roman Empire, used its taxes to pay for massive military conquests and roads. Therefore every single nation and statethat ever existed was socialist and capitalism has never truly been tried

Moving the goal posts. You said it’s all about government programs at first. Government programs can exist within an industry without necessarily having the government “own” the industry. Also, arguably, since the US government has more industry based regulations than any other country, the US government does “run” every industry. In practice oligarchs control legislation but that would happen even if the govt explicitly owned industry as was seen in fascist and communist nations

It's how much of industry and economy is under state comtrol that counts. Experience shows that a big government socialist sector and a small capitalist sector are the best, not inversly.

It's a good thing that there's lots of socialism in the US, but there needs to be more socialism over there for a better society.

See above post. The US has more business and industrial regulations than any other nation. Norway statistically has less regulations and control over businesses than the US as well as lower business taxes than the US. They make up for it with higher personal taxes

Also, the only social program that’s truly socialist in America is Social Security, because the people actually own the MoP. Government running a particular industry isn’t true socialism unless there is direct democracy and direct input. Using what the actual definition of socialism is (MoP) you see that muh roads isn’t socialism

>Everything the government does is socialism

Fascist and communist nations like France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland? Those countries have big socialist sectors in their economy.

Those Amerilards are literally programmed to have the word socialism be associated with some kind of threatening response in their psyche. That's what happens when the Cold War socialist government Dept. of Defence creates too much propaganda.
Amerilards are like North Koreans, except they have coke and shitburgers as a reinforcement in America in place of simple propaganda videos like in North Korea.

Norway, France, Sweden, Denmark and Finland are better than America, deal with it. And China has a larger economy than yours by GNP.

Come on, break the conditioning Amerilard.

>Those Amerilards are literally programmed to have the word socialism be associated with some kind of threatening response in their psyche
Ironically the AmeriLards associate taxes and “big government programs” as socialism, which is baseless and false. The same case you’re making.

Socialism is simply owning the means of production. Government run programs in an indirect “democracy” like most western nations have means the people do not own the MoP the government does and the government is a separate class of the people.

One thing I actually agree with with anarcho socialists is that socialism can not be achieved when a government is in place.

Regulatioms do not equal socialism. You can have a socialism with no regulations, aka free market socialism. That's when the society (usually via the state) runs industries in a market with no regulations.

Heil Socialism!

only if you're a worthless idiot. If you have any valuable skill and are a responsible human being, you're better off in the USA. You have more freedom, higher salary, better healthcare, good education etc.

Than again, it isn't as NEET friendly as all countries you've named except for China.

Pro tip: if you’re gonna argue against something research both sides of the argument. If you take a stand actually understand why you take a stand. Read a book that makes you uncomfortable or may destabilize your values.

>government project, so it's socialist
really nigger

Successes of capitalism:
>fat acceptance
>gay acceptance
>women in the workforce
>immigrants importation
>family destruction
>consumism

All true but what else is true is that world communism will never succeed without America.

Also this. Ironically capitalism and corporations are the biggest push behind left leaning social acceptance programs. As well as promoting “social welfare”. I have about 5 or 6 meetings in my company on being inclusive every year

A government program like the creation of the Internet is more attributable to the sucesses of socialism. It required a socialost mobilization of resources, by a socially owned state sector, funded by the society through taxes.

Come on Amerilard, break the conditioning, you're almost there. You need a few more reinforcements from the socialist Internet to make your psyche free from this impulse.

Debrainwashing Amerilards is sometimes as hard as debrainwashing North Koreans. Poor things.

>Internet
The Military is a inheritently fascist organization faggot.

Programmed reactiom detected: associating socialism and communism, as if they're the same thing.

Come on, break free Amerilard.

Literary every industrial development "made" by the soviets was actually work of the US.

Here, stop being a faggot.

Western technology soviet development:
archive.org/details/Parts13

You have clearly not read up on Marx.

The invention of the Internet was farla funded but created by research industries filled by the “elite bourg” that are the literal antithesis of socialism. MIT is fed by the bourgs who built the technology for the govt, took the government bucks, and shoved them into their “bourg” coffers.

Literally the antithesis of socialism. Socialism can not be achieved with the existence of bourg you nit. Don’t you read your own material.

It sounds like you cherry picked a few bullet points of things you liked and called it a day.

Was government funded**

It's a good thing they have a big socialist sector. But they need someone like Sanders to make it even bigger.

“World communism” bitch I distinguished that shit

Programmed reaction detected: hermione granger

More proof you have not read up on any socialist philosophers. There was never any distinction made between communism and socialism by any of them.

>China
>Socialist
so you're taking responsibility for all the deaths that Mao caused now ?

Sucesses of socialism:
>destruction of traditional communication via the internet and (((social media)))
>"free" education aka Marxist brainwashing
>1970s rocket technology still being used
>most of the 1970s-era mobile technology still being used(government patents and require government funded spacecraft anyway)
>most of shit-quality healthcare
>data mining and mass surveillance
>militarized thug police

Successes of capitalism:
>The tastiest, most fulfilling food made by locally owned eateries

Y’all can have your isolated socialist states but the long term, vision of Marx is a world government. For this your need America.

>racial socialism
>the same as materialist socialism
choose one and only one

America + China = global peace.

Britain becomes theme park for Ameritards

The irony that I’m a right wing capitalist and I’m more read up on socialism than you.

Wrong the nordic model isnt socialist you fucking retard there are private corporations that exist out side of government control.

1. you're a Keynesian not a socialist stop conflating the two.
2. "free" education-no dumbass nothing is free
3. rocket technology. hmm yeah i guess a entity funded by others peoples money would have the resources to do that rather than a private company with no real incentive to go into space except for PR
4. quality healthcare-BS
5. Wanting a fucking military doesn't make you a damn socialist
Successes of capitalism?
Taking millions out of poverty
Also, this is b8 but whatever

Oh there have. And it's the socialist economists that count. There are many kinds of socialism, and communism is just one of the many types.

youtube.com/watch?v=u68hvTGyYvY

Yes, capitalists need to be friendly to everyone so they can max the sells
All for the money
If people start eating shit, they will sell shit

>Posts a video that has nothing to do with china or socialism
Some much for the intelligent left

See And read in to Keynsian. That’s literally what you’re espousing right now

Is bong education really that bad now that you have all the low IQ mahamouds running around chopping your heads off. I really do implore you to read a book

Current Russia is shit because Soviet Russia ran the economy into the ground. Eastern Europe is a godforsaken place as it is, you can't seriously be questioning why a place that isn't even 30 years out of a total systemic collapse and chaotic rebuild is worse off than a nation that didn't collapse?

Also Russia’s reign of all our capitalism ended with Putin.

Russia actually has a system that is more aligned with a state capitalist fascist like nation.

state """"capitalism"""

You're brainwashed. Like the North Koreans.
Also, denial is a typical human reaction.

Continued: basically the shithole that you admitted Russia being is the system that you’re trying to promote

So communist North Korea is actually bad? I thought you said government run industries was jolly good fun. Currently the Norks own all the industry and have allowed for minimal capital allowed. Something you said earlier was ideal

but homie, North Korea is amazing.

Why did the Maoists do even worse in China as for its economy, and yet China now has better salaries than Russia and a larger economy than the US by GNP?
Oh, could it be because more than half of their economy is state-controlled and they have strong regulations, unlike... Russia?

nah its cause they dont regulate patents and copyrights and workers can be paid less than jack shit

But comrade, th Democratic People's Republic of Korea is amazing, the lots of government programs, 100% of industry is under government control. Its a great place to be.

Because China is now less regulated than Russia. And because American capitalists came in and built slave labor camps for all the gooks...paying them pennies on the dollar and working them to the point of suicide. We did no sub deal with the Russians

No wonder your country is collapsing. You can't understand even the most basic argument unlike my European counterparts, and all your research is done by gifted visa immigrants.

Will the simple association of socialism equals communism equals anti-American ever break in your psyche? Or is it some kind of a self-reinforcing vicious circle? What reinforces it? The propaganda and perception control on TV, and the diet coke and hamburgers (heart disease and cancer) for food?

You all need to work on that and break free from the social conditioning.

Would any of that work without a big socialist sector? The answer is no. The country would collapse like Russia did in the 90s.

t. the guy who doesn’t know what actual socialism and is spouting Keynesian economics(Econ 102) as if it was socialism. Btw Keynes was a fellow Brit who wrote about how much he hated socialism

Russia was pretty socialist in the 90s

China was on the verge of collapse until America and the west opened up trade in the 90s. You’re either trolling or very Ill educated.

And Orwell was a fellow Brit who was a democratic socialist. Keynes also spoke of the evils of capitalism and greed.

Yes, which is why Keynesian economics can be viewed as capitalism with government instilled barriers to make sure that any capital generated is to benefit the state as well as the individual.

Internet,Cell phones and space would free by that reasoning.
youtu.be/wm9MYU3SwBA
Are they?
>No.
Fuck you sage

Russia had a privatization shock therapy in the 90s.
Also, the Tianmenn square massacre was a good thing. The Chinese would die from famine like Russians had the PRC government been allowed to collapse.

Holy shit a real life tankie...you’re a tankie Jesus Christ

I’ll let you google that meaning you I’ll educated bong

Russia should follow on the path of China. That's the only way they will succeed.
Death penalty for corruption is the way.

They can’t, they don’t have a massive capitalist system willing to invest trillions of dollars building factories and training a labor force...

They have lots of energetic reserves, minerals and precious metals open for trade, which can be used to fund the big government.

It’s extrememly ironic you continue to use China as an example of communist success.

Which first let me say you initially tried to say socialism and communism where different and socialism with capital like Norway is the best. Which leads me to think you’re an NSA spook.

And second, that China only exists at this level and is directly correlated to the trade agreement made by Clinton.

Venezuela had most of Europe China and Canada all supporting it and doing trade with it and it still failed all because the US wouldn’t trade with them.

Russia is rich in nat gas and titanium as well as other important minerals.

Correction: it failed because it’s a failed system and can’t stand on its own in anything larger than a community of a few million

>It’s extrememly ironic you continue to use China as an example of communist success.

I am not. I'm making the point for more nationalized industries, and a bigger government, nothing more.

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If that’s the case then why did it only begin to see success after relaxing it’s stance on non government industries.. the USSR is the perfect example too. It nearly collapses until Stalin unveiled the NEP

(YOU)
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IT'S YOU!
SOYGOY tea bag on your chin still got you down NEET!