> The Trump administration wants to turn the International Space Station into a kind of orbiting real estate venture run not by the government, but by private industry.
> The White House plans to stop funding the station after 2024, ending direct federal support of the orbiting laboratory. But it does not intend to abandon the orbiting laboratory altogether and is working on a transition plan that could turn the station over to the private sector, according to an internal NASA document obtained by The Washington Post.
> “The decision to end direct federal support for the ISS in 2025 does not imply that the platform itself will be deorbited at that time — it is possible that industry could continue to operate certain elements or capabilities of the ISS as part of a future commercial platform,” the document states. “NASA will expand international and commercial partnerships over the next seven years in order to ensure continued human access to and presence in low Earth orbit.”
trump is gonna sell condos on the moon the gonads on that man can he even be slowed down, its like its some kinda unstoppable train
and to think hes nearly eighty, some kinda super vitality or soemthing
Parker Thomas
Aliens
Henry Richardson
Why keep paying with public money for that thing forever? How much """science""" can they still be doing up there that hasn't been done already? Is it really worth THAT much money? The Space Station Freedom would have been larger and much more useful. It was supposed to have what was needed to repair satellites, assemble spacecrafts, store lots of supply and fuel, etc. The ISS never had much of a point to it. It made people feel warm and fuzzy that it was "international" though.
Caleb Lopez
Who needs the ISS after Trump unseals 5000 classified patents and brings us Tesla technology?
Oliver Thomas
> The ISS never had much of a point to it. > an entire domain of experimentation relating to the effects of living off world in zero gravity which would be necessary for us to be aware of when sending our race to the stars in the next few millenia
yea, no purpose whatsoever, who even cares
James James
What commecial ventures need the ISS? It's mostly a science mission as well as a testing platform for systems that will take us to Mars etc. We need to be able to test the ability of things to operate in space for very long periods of time.
I like the idea of privitization usually. SpaceX is a great example. But cutting edge science is often done without a direct application in mind. There are countless discoveries that turned out to be revolutionary that were not seen as revolutionary at the time.
Nobel Prizes are often awareded 20 or 30 years after the fact when we realize the importance of people's work.
You think people gave a flying fuck about the discovery of the electron in the late 1800's? Now it is the backbone of how electronics work. Good luck understanding semi-conductors without electron theory. Imagine telling the average person in 1900 about electrons. They would be like "whoopdyfukin doo, how is that ever going to help anybody"
Nathan Perez
And yet no one has stayed more than a year in the ISS. It didn't even set any record. If that was the main use for it, they wasted it big time.
Blake Wright
Bigelow will buy it
Nathaniel Roberts
> implying ISS exists
Kevin Miller
More than anything the ISS proved how impossible non robotic space travel and industrialization is. Humans quickly go to shit without gravity, and any vessel that is light enough to be economic to move around is also almost totally unshielded from radiation.
Parker Davis
maybe you fat fucks will actually do more with it if it makess you money. >original plan >manufacturing >repairs >refueling >observatory >staging base for missions to the Moon, Mars and asteroids
Daniel Reyes
What a fucking retard.
Nolan Richardson
2024 was it's normal end of life date anyway.
He's extending the project by allowing the private domain to invest in it, whilst NASA can go onto bigger and better things.
I hate people like you who mindlessly repeat stupid shit that Joe Rogan and NDT tell them.
The ISS is about the size of a bus. The idea that you could "see" anything that size that far away with your eye is dumb. And even with a telescope you'll at most see a barely discernable spec of something. You're certainly not seeing a recognizable space station with no purpose where women don't even cut their hair before going up there.
Angel Myers
You are confirmed retarded. You can see it cross the sky at the exact time and direction that it is expected to appear. It is going way faster than an aircraft.
Or do you think that out of pure fucking coincidence there is a white dot that crosses the sky at the exact right time and direction every single time?
Brayden Ross
>What is light reflecting off reflective surfaces >What is transiting over the sun
Parker Rivera
0/10
Jace Collins
don't respond to obvious trolls, you idiots.
Oliver Morgan
Pic related
Kevin Jenkins
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Owen Sanders
That's the thing with flat earthers. It really is impossible to tell the real ones from the people just pretending to be retarded.
Luis Richardson
lmao thats cheese
Bentley Diaz
>things people used to write their phd thesis
>nothing that was used to benefit anyone else What a good use of funds.
Caleb Johnson
They literally cut their hair on the ISS with regular ass trimmers with a nigger-rigged vacuum on it that doesn’t even work. I laughed so fucking hard I peed a little. There is literally no reason for any hair to be cut onboard the space station and a million reasons not too
Joseph Wright
>mfw sun is cheese too >mfw all celestial objects are cheese in different stages of ripening
Ayden Thomas
It's supposed to be decommissioned in 4 years, do they really think some excentric billionaire is going to buy it and do the repair for them? It's not going to happen. It's physically impossible anyway when something gets decommissioned it's because it's rotten anyway.
Christopher Kelly
Why would you respond to either one as if you could change their mind by directly addressing their points?
Their mistake lies in a fundamental solipsistic distrust of everything. You'd somehow have to convince them that they can trust people before you could tackle anything upriver from that.
Carson Fisher
yeah who needs scientific research? Lets put all that money into welfare and being racist online.
Isaiah Bell
it's going to be like that McDonalds barge that just sat in Vancouver for years
Gabriel Walker
If humanity colonizes space, will we stay united or balkanize?
Oliver Green
source?
Jeremiah Cook
what was the results of the research? did it have any pragmatic accomplishments or was it all esoteric?
Ryan Foster
>stay united >implying
Eli Reyes
Pretty sure if any products or quality of life improvements were derived from it you'd hear about it because pop-sci faggots would croon about it for weeks.
Except now it's two football field worth of metal ready to crash god knows where.
Jaxson Brown
Why not modify it into an actual spacecraft with space torpedos and shit? That would be cash.
Logan Watson
Depends on governing structure and tech, followed by leadership and culture.
Liam Nguyen
>products or quality of life improvements Space programs don't exist for the benefit of worthless couch-ridden fatties. The only people who tout those benefits are people trying to justify space to worthless couch-ridden fatties.
Leo Foster
This, it was planned to be abandoned after that point anyway.
If the private industry has any uses for it and is willing to pay for maintenance and upkeep, I'd say let them have at it. It's really a pretty good idea to get some more mileage out of the station than governments had originally planned.
Michael Torres
The 2013 NASA's Office of Inspector General (OIG) report, Extending the Operational Life of the International Space Station Until 2024, shows the ISS annual operating costs at $2.9 billion.
SpaceX isn't going to buy it. They spent over a billion dollars just developing the falcon 9 and it's going to take them at least a decade to recoup that cost.
if they do, they're fucked. They'll end up like tesla after they bought the sinking ship Solar City.
Gavin Carter
Considering the harshness of space only the absolute best and brightest will survive.
I foresee space humanity basically becoming it's own branch of super humans which return to reclaim earth from the orcish hordes in a few hundred years.
Samuel King
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Charles Brooks
>there is a black dot transitting across the sun
Yes, the only possible explanation for that is a useless space station. It can't be any satellite or natural object
You can go on fucking youtube you retard and look up live correspondences from the ISS with women who don't even bother keeping their hair together with a hairband. They just let it fly around wildly. Its so absurd how confident you people feel in making demonstrably false statements as if there was no way to look it up
Jaxon Harris
It's very easy to direct it into the ocean. That's outside of the environment.
I already said it provided trust fund graduate students material for their Ph.D's.
Ethan Thomas
That's because reading's apparently too hard for you.
Luke Garcia
Yeah, remember when they lost control of that Chinese one and when bits of Mir landed on farmers farm and they told them to stop selling bits because they're radioactive?
Bentley Nguyen
Why does it have to be a single company?
It could be a dozen different companies sharing the costs, just like many countries and space agencies are currently sharing the burden.
But again, it hinges on them being able to find uses for it, which remains to be seen. If they can't get a return on their investment, nothing is going to come of this. Will definitely be interesting to see how it pans out, though.
Levi Myers
its bad businesss but with reusable falkkkon heavy, maybe not so much down the road
Colton Bennett
Communists don't have good track records with complex machinery.
Aaron Wright
>someone buys it >removes all the science shit and makes it a luxury hotel instead >reaps profit off richfags
Grayson Mitchell
I-Is this the power of schizophrenia? Pretty sure we agree it’s fake and gay.
Caleb Carter
>will most certainly crash with 4 years because it's due to be decommissioned but let's keep not reading the thread and keep trying posting something screencapable
Dominic Morris
>Why does it have to be a single company? >it hinges on them being able to find uses for it You said it yourself. There just isn't any use for it. There never was. They can't even boost it out of its orbit. the structure wasn't designed for it.
>reusable They've never demonstrated this. Oddly enough, they've never even flown an F9 first stage more than twice even though they say they're capable of at least 50 flights.
Brody Taylor
They would lose their insurance coverage so fast their heads would spin.
Camden Green
They -lost control- of that Chinese one. i.e. it wasn't a planned deorbit.
What are you talking about with Mir?
Wyatt Cooper
The ISS is a waste of money. We need to beyond low Earth orbit. The BFR will do that.
Jackson Nelson
spacex would go bankrupt if they actually made that. Their ROI is extremely poor because of how much they try to undercut the competition.
Chase Allen
Actually a very good idea. Federal budget for ISS runs out around 2022. The Russian propulsion segment will have to be jettisoned and replaced around that time because of its deterioration.
For reference the propulsion section was the first piece to launch and has been in space since the mid 90s. Very long time very rough on the components considering it was built before the soviet union collapsed before being repurposed after the collapse.
Only way for ISS to continue is as a commercial venture with science still at the core. Or better would be if commercial partners split the cost with nasa.
With iss not fully in federal money Nasa would have the budget needed to build deep space hardware for Mars.
However, trump should also outright cancel SLS since commercial companies are already building rockets cheaper and larger than SLS and SLS has still not flown even once.
Tldr if nasa focused all its power on developing deep space hardware and surface hardware for colonies and only leased launches and launchers we could get shit done.
Christopher Bell
Mir was a controlled deorbiting and debris felt all across NA. It's not because muh chinese are dumb, everyone gambles with whats up there. The best they can do is an educated guess but once it's out of it's carefully planned loop, all bets are off.
Adrian Phillips
>They've never demonstrated this All they did was glue three falcon 9's together
Why are you trying to pretend like you know more than the people in the actual business? SpaceX operates through government contracts, if they make that rocket it'll be because NASA told them to.
Caleb Thomas
so after landing and twice reuse you think its improbable that they go beyond this number? nonsense what is improbable is launch costs going below 10 million for the next 40 years
Colton Campbell
nasa is shit, otherwise they woulndt be developing a SLS
Caleb Baker
>>They've never demonstrated this I meant the reusability aspect. They've not published anything or allowed anyone to inspect the process by which they refurbish the first stages or the exact cost of doing so.
>SpaceX operates through government contracts, if they make that rocket it'll be because NASA told them to. They're contractor, they're not a subsidiary. They do what they want and people buy their services.
Grayson Davis
>debris felt all across NA Seriously tho, what are you talking about? You said it landed on Chinese farms before.
>everyone gambles with whats up there True, but the gamble wasn't anything to do with deorbiting.
Jaxson Turner
It's the size of two football fields number one.
Number two I have personally seen it irl on more than one occasion with and without a telescope.
Number three if you fall back on "Hurr it's a hologram im woke as fuck earth is flat durr" I will call you a Jewish disinfo shill because you people are.
Flat earth and space (((skeptics))) are literally funded by left wing sjws celebrity's sjws and brainlet tier mud race fake skinheads and are a cancer on the world.
If you think this is a hologram why even post? Just go move in with your masters in Israel you fucking filthy kikes.
Carson Watson
>because of how much they try to undercut the competition It's about being the first company to get it's foot in the door. Elon is making a huge gamble. That takes nuts.
It'll cost like $400 million to build the entire thing.
Luis Carter
>so after landing and twice reuse you think its improbable that they go beyond this number? nonsense They say they can, but thus far they have not. They launch and land them twice and then store them somewhere. Some autist on reddit has a big table of all the cores and they have never launched them more than twice and there are currently no plans to do so.
No, I didn't say that, were you even born when that happened? Do you even know what I'm talking about? You seem to be under the impression I'm making something like you're actually unaware of stuff that happened. Like you'd be, say, an underage fag?
Easton Barnes
Floating cathedral above the earth, basically a monument to human achievement brought to the world by mostly white and Asian nations. Took 1.5 million human years work to accomplish when adding up all the time spent on designing building and putting into orbit. Says it was a waste of time, only comparable object maybe a cathedral that took a mere 15,000 years worth of human time to build in terms of all the human effort simultaneously put into it over multi generations.
Easton Cruz
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Luis Wood
Boeing did it 70 years ago. They made the saturn 5.
That's most likely the per rocket cost, not the R&D cost. The F9 alone cost over a billion dollars to develop.
Robert Rivera
No fucking way
Once human's have the vast expanse of space at their fingertips, they'll all split off
Then 50k years later, the fruits of those will meet back up, you'll have asians that have evolved into strange creatures with weird snorkels because of the atmosphere on the new planet
Shit will get weird
Isaac Turner
YEAR 2027 >DA-NA-NUH-NUH-NUH-ALWAYS ENJOY COCA COLA ! BOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!
Brandon Carter
wants and is are to very different words
Mason Turner
They never demonstrated Falcon 9 reusability?
>They've not published anything or allowed anyone to inspect the process by which they refurbish the first stages or the exact cost of doing so. Are you sure, or are you like apparently everyone else on this website and just too lazy to look simple things up?
>They do what they want and people buy their services. People, meaning almost entirely the government.
Jaxon Reyes
>ISS size of a bus You mightbe right if you don't incluse the solar panels.
Asher Reyes
The technology needed to build these was pioneered and tested on iss and the shuttle program.
How is it possible this many fucking brainlet retards exist and don't know recent tier American history?
How soon before people forget this history of the internet in the 00s also?
Fucking hell man you people are fucking retarded.
Joshua Murphy
pepsiniggers can not and will not survive against Coca Cola master race
Blake Wood
No he would still be fucking wrong the pressurized section is larger than a space shuttle and a space shuttle could carry the equivalent of TWO single decker busses in its cargo hold alone.
Please don't pet the retards folks they are beyond help.
Aiden Wood
>They never demonstrated Falcon 9 reusability? Ship of Theseus. If they replace 95% of the parts, is it still the same rocket?
Mostly what i'm saying is that they've never demonstrated a cost savings. Landing a rocket on its tail is an old trick at this point in the game, the whole point is that doing as such is cheaper than making a new rocket. There is no evidence that it is.
>Are you sure, or are you like apparently everyone else on this website and just too lazy to look simple things up? I've done my best to check and i've asked countless people about it.
>People, meaning almost entirely the government. Pretty much.. But even nasa wouldn't be so stupid as to tell them to make a direct competitor to the SLS.
Christopher Jones
of course there are not. but there will be. how many launches do you think they have per month? also dont link that fucking page to me ffs its an insult
Daniel Davis
What techologies were developed for ISS? We need to move on from low orbit.
Chase Gonzalez
it will be Industry Star wars, Google and Apple A.I. robot astronauts will be duking it out in orbit on space stations as genetically engineered space octopi strangle both robots and humans floating in the vacuum of space as star ships whiz by and blast them with lasers , OH SHIT BRO
Isaac Murphy
You're right, you just said farms. And no I still don't have a clue, since Mir was deorbited into the ocean. So for the third time what the fuck are you actually talking about?
Gabriel Reyes
>but there will be I think it is very conspicuous that they rate the things at 50 launches but cut them off at just two.
What are they afraid of?
>also dont link that fucking page to me ffs its an insult Nobody is questioning your status, don't give them reason to.
