Name ONE (1) legitimate problem with communism that you can explain with evidence

Name ONE (1) legitimate problem with communism that you can explain with evidence.

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How can communism work within the constraints of a central banking system that leaves nations and people in perpetual debt?

i can't since communism is objectively the superior system than fucking capitalism

it doesn't work
the evidence is all the times it's been tried
lol

Lack of food.

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Society won't function without slavery.
>Not true!
Congratulations, you've been selected to clean out the sewers. You will be imprisoned if you refuse to do so.

It was run by capitalist

Communists fail to define class
Communists fail to define exploitation
Communists fail to explain why equality of outcome is more desirable than inequality of outcome

it's always pushed by Jews

Leaving out the mongrel hordes was a smooth touch friend.

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>Trotskyism

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Communists are great. If ran by a pro white man.

Got fuckers like this shilling for it.

It doesn't work, which is the best thing about it.

Capitalism works perfectly at creating a global, nationless, raceless, genderless, Jew world order.

Hence why the Jews abandoned Communism as a way of constructing Solomons Temple or in other words, enslaving humanity.

Name ONE (1) legitimate reason why I should believe this isn't a slide thread

Objection

Rewarding by need instead of by ability creates a race to be the most needy, instead of the most able.

Full stop. End of thread. Fuck off, because you lost.

The mass murder part always gets me desu

Communist states are poor.
Evidence: They are currently poor. They have been poor in the past.

Of course you must understand this is by design. A communist state must have absolute power over it's subjects to enforce it's equality.
In order to do this it must be wealthier than it's people collectively. Meaning it's people are made dirt fucking poor. Furthermore, it's easier to produce an equality when no one has much. Means less stress on the state you see. And before long we get the genocides and such.
This has been the case in every communist nation. For these reasons.

>equality of outcome over opportunity

There thread's over

Jews
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Communism violates the non-aggression principle, therefor it is unethical.

It force you against your freedom to do things you might not want/like or even against your nature. If you refuse you have 99% of dying and/or your family. Also even if you accept your dysfunctional life, you will live in misery, and the moment you don't clap or smile for the leader you will be labled as Public Enemy and will face the 1st bad thing.
Not to mention hunger. Its shit when you cant buy food with all the money you have.

Here...

wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/

Unless you are Jewish, you have to be fucking retarded to support communism.

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Short version a longer version is on the net

The Soviet Story - Why killing is essential to communism
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I don't know, maybe it's because they want to kill me......

Bill Ayers planned to murder 25 million Americans!
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A fulfillment of Marx's dreams.

Who are the workers? The bottom of the social pyramid.
Everything reference point dies as the plebs now "rule". They lost their connection to a higher being and they're just robots now.

Communism: Everyone works but they all get the exact same state-made garbage. They don't get to decide what they want. People work and the sum of the work is redistributed. You don't have a say in the way it is distributed. But since it's ugly pleb rule you'll receive ugly shit.

Combine that with cultural marxism as well and you'll become absolutely fucking nothing. A literal ant who has no right to anything. Everyone is equally retardedm equally poor, equally rich, except of course the rulers. They rule over a mass of shit.

>Hence why the Jews abandoned Communism

Getting nervous, Schlomo?

Always being fucking hungry is a pretty big issue.

Remove private property, remove the money economy and remove the state. Problem solved.
And how many times was capitalism tried before the Dutch got it right?
R E A D T H E B R E A D B O O K
as above.
Authoritarianism. Absolute cancer.
>class
upper class is exploiter, lower class is exploited.
>exploitation
Forcibly taking a portion of value generated from another. Usually refers to the wage system
>the third one
Equality of outcome is better than the dystopia of brave new world. Global warming is also something that capitalism fails to deal with; and I personally don't like the idea of being underwater.
Well, if jews control the world, what better way to wrench the control away from then by making no human have power over another?

It's a jewish idea.

alright rebute what i said here

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Look at me in the eyes and tell me that you have more equality in opportunity than Edmond Adolphe de Rothschild or whatever
Whatever the Soviet Union did, sure. Not so much with Real Communism.
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Look up how Jewish Canada's upper non-elected government is. It isn't much better. So let's just remove the state entirely, can't be Jews ruling if nobody's ruling.
They don't even pretend to be communist.
>state
ew. Remove that shit.

>Other pic related
I meant this one

people who seem to support it dont want to move where it is.

Stalin's moustache ruined his otherwise handsome face

Egalitarianism is a lie.

you didnt even rebute anything ive said.

anarcho communism has even less chance of succeeding. We should do this we should do that! Oh yeah try making it work now you dumb child.

why would anyone even consider considering someone they deem inferior as their equal? There will always be a leader you dumb fuck. Communism is also instrinsically atheist.

legitimate problem: it doesn't work
evidence: every single time its been tried

It has a problem with being able to feed people, evident with 100 million people starving to death.

Or was that on purpose? I can't remember

Let's have a moment of seriousness.

The real indictment socialist movements is that they've been unable to defend themselves from outside political/economic coercion, or (in order to defend themselves) made the move to authoritarianism to defend themselves and abandoned socialism as anything but a red veneer.

History is not dialectical, and meliorism is an ideology.

Are you the same nip that made the feminism general thread?

Capitalism more so.
Forgot to change your flag?
Anyway, yes, the Soviet Union and Cuba did fail, because they fell for the authoritarianism trap.
Where is it then?
Your argument is invalid because you're attacking authoritarian 'communism', not 'real communism'. And it did work, just that it got stopped by the Powers That Be.
Also, it's intrinsically Christian. Read the Gospels (and Acts). That's the entire reason I became communist.
Neither did capitalism until the Dutch did it.

I hardly consider workers control over the means of production to be egalitarian.

I don't want to give my money to the federal government. There, I broke communism.

>Neither did capitalism until the Dutch did it.
the world has always existed based on the idea of commerce and production of goods in exchange for something in return. communism is an attempt to change the fundamental nature of man and never works, and never will.

It kills people. Case in point: Holomodor.

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>testimonial evidence
it doesn't let me oppress the proletariat enough
>conclusion
it doesn't let me oppress the proletariat enough

You fucking shitty little retard I just said something about your shitty ass anarchist variant and you fucking avoided it again.

If you had half a brain you would know the monarchy is the only real christian system. Everyone equal? So you're equal to God, or Jesus?

Absolutely not true. Before the invention of money, the gift economy (aka 'true commmunism') was what ran the world.
That was authoritarianism killing people, not communism.
Did you not see when God literally told the Israelites that having a king (by the way, before the whole king thing happened Israel was something close to communism) was an absolutely terrible idea? And lo and behold, it was a terrible idea?
Communism isn't about everyone being equal; that's just CIA propaganda. Communism is about there being no private property nor money, no classes and no state. No classes just means that nobody appropriates the fruits of anothers labour.
Remember when in Acts when everyone was living communally and there were no rulers, nor money? That was communism. And that was literally as christian as it gets.

You will never get people to abide by it. I mean you are asking everyone to work together abstaining from all personal greed for the common good. Even if you could somehow get your revolution worldwide before it is shut down by capitalist powers how do you prevent people from undermining the system for their own profit? It just doesn't seem realistic.

>Absolutely not true. Before the invention of money, the gift economy (aka 'true commmunism') was what ran the world.
lmao do you seriously think that this is the case?

no wonder you guys are like 'well 20 failed experiments and 120 billion dead, we're just about to turn a corner!' levels of delusion

The economic calculation problem.

Lack of food.

And how are you going to prevent people from appropriating the labor of others without authoritarianism?

>Also, it's intrinsically Christian. Read the Gospels (and Acts). That's the entire reason I became communist.

If you consider yourself a Christian, then you must acknowledge man's sin nature to do evil, and hence a need of a savior.
Communism assume all men and women will world together collectively, which is not possible because of sin.
Therefore, communism is not possible until the coming of Jesus Christ.
In the meantime, give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's

The problem is this: Anarcho communism is too weak to survive for any substantial time and authoritarian communism leads to gulag.

Don't even get me started on this

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The people that support communism irl are repulsive.

>Say's it's one thing not the other without providing any evidence and quickly moving to the next subject.
I see you truly are a fifth degree commie bastard.

I wouldn't say repulsive. Just alarmingly gullible.

as above so below you stupid fag. hierarchy in the kingdom of heaven so down below.

If you really were christian you would know classes are inevitable. not money classes, but spiritual classes. if people arent of the same spiritual weight how do you think this is gonna work out if they dont follow greater beings than themselves? People need a guide. how do you not fucking realize God is the greatest ruler yet you keep saying people arent somehow equal yet there are no classes? are you dumb? (the answer is yes since you're a fucking commie). Fucking ignorant pleb.

Only thing good about communism is that it kills more communists

You posted a picture of Lenin. So, I am assuming that you are talking about Leninism. So here it is: 1. Without competing political parties, it is hard for people to identify and express their economic interests in a constructive fashion, which makes giving the state actual feedback that would allow it to improve very difficult. 2. With no capital markets, figuring out which new capital goods you should build and what to do with them suddenly becomes very complicated. 3. With no prices, rationing out scarce resources suddenly becomes more complicated. 4. Living Standards are lower in Leninist-style communist countries than they are in liberal capitalist countries.

you mean before the bronze age? when we were hunter gatherers and subsistence farmers? wouldn't returning to that system imply killing 90% or more of the worlds population? How could that be achieved without militaristic genocide?

Dialectical Materialism is incorrect and Postmodernism is incompatible with Marxist economic and political theories, so all current Communists are either horribly wrong or inconsistent.

We can discuss why I believe Historical Materialism is incorrect and Postmodernism is incompatible with Marxism if you'd like.

>Name ONE (1) legitimate problem with communism that you can explain with evidence.
Can only exist in the form of an authoritarian dictatorship.

this

I mean historical materialism.

Close enough.

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You need to read this book. It has all the evidence.

I happened to experience the tail end of communism when I visited Russia in 1993. Imagine going into a store about the size of your average 7-11 here. There are a ton of shelves, and nothing on them, except literally 6 or 7 items, and they are things you don't want at all. Jars for canning, lids for canning, can openers, metal forks, glass vases and a few other things. You wasted your time just walking into the store. An average garage sale in the US has much more. Coca cola is such a treat to them, that you drink it in a shot-glass and share one bottle among 5 or 6 people. Children have never tasted a Snickers bar. Bananas are rare.

This is communism, and you can look at North Korea to see it today. That's the way it was east of the iron curtain for about 70 years in USSR and 40 years in Eastern Europe excluding the USSR.

Buildings fall apart through lack of materials. No one gives a shit because you get paid regardless. Corruption is in overdrive, because normal channels of getting resources don't deliver. (If you have a relative that works in a store, she'll sell you all the material that gets delivered at a profit. Everyone else gets nothing. You may be that person left in the cold.)

I see these punks today, walking around with Communism pins, like they are cool people somehow. It's the most asinine system imaginable. They have no idea how much it sucked.

It literally smells too. All they had in Eastern Europe was soft-coal, and when it burns, it makes a yellow smoke and sulpherous smell.

I could go on for a week about this, because I experienced it for a little while, and my wife lived through it.

Human nature, greed will always create a figurehead that will create an inequality

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/barter-society-myth/471051/
The what?
Why would someone work for that upstart capitalist when they could just not? If they don't need to enslave themselves to live, people won't.
Then why did it work for the first Christians (until the Romans managed to stop it)?
>give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's
Good. Go on and give up money. Love of money is literally the source of all kinds of evil you know. And worship God while you're at it.
What did I miss? Sorry, I'm typing as fast as I can and might miss something.
You didn't refute any of my arguments? How am I going to have the satisfaction of a good argument without a good argument?
Yes, God is the greatest ruler. That's why we should submit to Him, rather than to some earthly ruler who's probably infected with Satan.
>as above so down below
So God rules in heaven. So God (and God alone) should rule on earth?
>equal
There's a difference between being equal (as in being clones of one another) and being equal (as in everyone has the right to eat).
I didn't say that we should reject modern technology. But I did say neolithic and bronze age civilizations (most notably the Indus River Valley one) were probably communist.
Literally cannot exist the form of an authoritarian dictatorship. The definition of a communist society (according Wikipedia) is "a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state." Can't have a authoritarian dictatorship without a state. The soviet union and china and whatever were 'dictatorships of the proletariat', which is a fancy way of saying "we will remove the state eventually, we promise". Turns out that they didn't.

1. does it not strike you as horribly terrifying that every attempt to move in the direction of communism has lead to authoritarianism and millions of deaths? (feel free to segue into whataboutism if you like, but i'm asking you specifically about communism.)

2. do you acknowledge that any moral posturing by communists regarding 'equality' and 'fairness' ignores the moral failure of coercion and violence? pointing a gun at someone's head to achieve 'fairness' (as defined by you, conveniently) during a violent insurrection is not magically moral behavior because you perceive it as previously stolen. I can't kill people who steal my car years after the fact.

3. do you not understand that when you say
> not muh real communism
what you're implying is that Lenin, Stalin, et.al., had they listened to you (a weeb on tumblr) they would have magically 'understood' Communism? Do you understand the ego this requires? That some college freshman who's never filed a 1099 would understand anything as complicated as 'surplus value'

4. since people naturally organize themselves in groups, and class consciousness leads to production being seized, what, in your view, encourages this body to relinquish this power once it is handed to them? if we're being honest, in a real-world society where coordination would be necessary to do this, a pseudo-military operation would be created to achieve it.

yes
how could you detect that i'm the one who made that thread?

Incoming “not real communism”
Most communism supporters are just going through a phase.

God not this faggot again

Fails on premise one. "Finite wealth". The perceived problem of oppressive upper class is the byproduct of progeniture, which was outlawed in the US at its foundation. That's why the uber elites are still old world families.
In other words, communism is a football bat.

why does communism always ends up run by socialists and is there a logical way of fixing it or the system in itself is broken which allows this to always be the outcome?

underrated

So, the movements in your flier have lost every time. Does that not tell you it lacks effectiveness, power, resilience, and capacity?

>rather than to some earthly ruler who's probably infected with Satan.
>implying leftism hasnt been condemned by christianity since forever

Your definition of equal is everyone has the right to eat? Why should they have the right to steal the labor of other people?

There's a fucking hierarchy in heaven you dumb fag there isnt just God, there's one on earth too

Whatever dumb fag fucking kill yourself nigger

Jesus says be charitable not work your ass off for other people so they never have to work except for you

fucking kill yourself.

No money in it.

It produces shills like you who go on boards with a far different belief system just to piss people off.

They will if they see an advantage in it which is why capitalism works now. It's not hard to convince certain people to give up some of their labors value in exchange for say economic security or any number of other perks. How do you expect a communist society to adapt to the need to downsize industries?

I suppose the bigger problem is how you organize such a system in the first place. What do you have with a stateless world? Presumably you would have tribal collectives competing with each other for dominance and I can't see how that wouldn't inevitably lead to the development of capitalist states

"if they don't need to they won't"
Now thats pretty fucking retarded, people do irrational or unreasonable and unethical stuff all the time.

And you still dodged the question, without resorting to authoritarian means how to deal with the unreasonable in your system when it has taken full effect

The bronze age and neolithic societies usually built cities based around a central temple where goods were stored and distributed by a priest class, and decisions were made by either a high priest or a monarch. Literally a theocracy my dude, with a strong central government and a military police force. These societies are not an example of a "stateless, classless society". They were communist, but not the stateless communism you seem to desire, and they did have the authoritarian problems of the later communist states and it got much worse as time went on and the population expanded to the point where the temple bureaucracies could not keep up with the amount of people.
There was war, there were police crackdowns on civilians, there was violence by the state to enforce its will, and there was famine when the population got too big and farmland started drying up (but the farmers couldn't change their crops or move because the government wouldn't let them). All this seems consistent with the modern experience with communism

1. If by 'prosperity' you mean 'gold lined dresses and personal butlers', that's true. However it is well possible for everyone to live a life while having food and shelter and basically everything people need without being decadent.
2. Absolutely true. Whenever some CEO receives boatloads of money, many workers didn't receive what they worked for.
3. For a start, governments are bad. Secondly, communism is based off a 'gift economy', meaning that people give their labour for the good of humanity because there isn't anything else to do. Just like Star Trek. Exactly like Star Trek. On top of that, if that CEO doesn't appropriate some worker's work, they won't have anything worth taking anyway.
4. You also cannot multiply wealth by having Amram Goldstein pour his money into offshore tax havens either.
5. People naturally will try to do good. It sounds stupid, but it's true. If someone starts seizing in public, people will come to their aid. Also, with no need to work for wages, what else would people do? They'd get bored and start volunteer work.
6. Did you get this off your aunt's facebook page?
That was a failed state. Authoritarianism is cancer. Also, North Korea has actually stopped pretending to be working towards communism, preferring Juche because it's 'truly Korean'
Why would you work for some figurehead if you can just do things by yourself without some jew taking all your money?
1. Not true. Many were not authoritarian, but were stopped by some group of people scared of losing their power. See the pic in 2. What if someone is continuously stealing all your cars all the time? Bad analogy, but still. I'm going to come back to this topic.
3. Oh, they understood. They just got one taste of power and refused to let it go.
4. Look into what happened in Ukraine Free Territory and the Zapatistas. It's certainly possible.
Thanks for numbering your points by the way.

>without some jew taking all your money?
why do you need to work for a jew?

why do you not realize nobody ever thought about any form of communism before a fucking jew started talking about it? also you didnt even reply to my last post

go in the fucking oven

look at this for bronze age example
also go to a welfare project building in the US and tell me that not working for a living makes people want to volunteer. Also star trek sounds cool if everyone had matter replicators and could sustain themselves entirely by putting in a fraction of their day into labor, but we don't and we cant, and we wont get anyone to invent the various technological steps to matter replication technology without the understanding that people who put in more work get a better life. Why should I make a better injection nozzle that might lead to matter replication in 70 years if my quality of life will remain the same during my lifetime?

>Why would someone work for that upstart capitalist when they could just not? If they don't need to enslave themselves to live, people won't.
You've already previously claimed that all of humanity was previously living in a "true communist gift economy." Clearly people started eventually "working for upstart capitalists when they could just not"

>Literally cannot exist the form of an authoritarian dictatorship
Literally can only exist by virtue of being enforced by an authoritarian dictatorship, as it literally has in every single example seen in the real world, cannot exist with the will of the people, ie, democracy, people don't vote in communist regimes, and even if say for example they did, 4 years later they'd vote it out again, ergo, you cannot maintain communism under a democracy of any description.