/UBI/ Basic income

>NOT COMMUNISM
>POSSIBLE
>RIGHTEOUS
>REDUCES WASTE
>REDUCES COSTS
>ONLY IGNORANTS ARE OPPOSING

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no one would work if everyone had their living cost paid for by the state. if no one was working who would pay tax for the Ubi?

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Would you just stop working, or rather you would leave your bullshit job and do something with some meaning or better paid?

Communism implies social ownership of production, eliminating private propierty..

UBI implies taxing and redistributing a part so growing parts of society wont be left behind AND THE SYSTEM won't collapse.

>living in the fucking big city's or its suburbs

Work starts at 9:15 most days and is 10 minutes away from me. If I shower the night before or don't bother and since I shit the night before I can get up at 830 and get there on time

Seriously living in the big city must be absolutely shit for ones mental health

>Survival is the only reason to earn money

What the fuck are you thinking?

God bless you Op.

communism is what UBI leads to you stupid fucking nigger
as the leaf pointed out you will run out of resources to pay the UBI, and the only way to keep it going will be full socialism and then communism
it's a surefire way of condemning a country to communism and killing millions

Robots will do most work

UBI isn't an ideological system.

It's a fundamental reworking of economics so we aren't simply advocating mass extinction of our species in a world where the job market is ever shrinking and education would be more expensive than simply paying for their survival.

charles bukowski was ancap. ubi is communism.
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We don't need shit to make us happy.

In fact... Consumerism is never ending because it will never fill the void within people which this society have engineered.

Separation from God or with true higher purpose, if you don't care for the concept of God.

Get off the consumeristic treadmill and walk among the flowers for an hour.

Tax each unit of automation equal to the wages a worker would have been paid.

It'll easily cover the cost of UBI. Just abolish all social safety nets and have UBI as the only one.

We bring in enough tax income as it is to pay for this system, we'd probably be better off financially if we implemented my idea because it'd actually end up costing less.

>implyin

If your thesis was correct, how come libertarians prefer HELPING PEOPLE GIVING THEM THE MONEY YOU WOULD SPEND, rather than having an inefficient and corrupt state handling and wasting the money.

>French
>Against something that would further enable him to laze around all day

Something is off about this

Universal income for all people.

The wealthy are welcome to donate theirs to which ever charity they see fit.

If all children were given free school lunches, there wouldn't be an embarrassment at the concept.

The universal income for food, should only be utilised for nutritious product. If you buy locally and in season, you should be rewarded a monthly bonus, to cut fuel emissions.

C'est une bonne idee, ferme la bouche.

Épater la bourgeoisie!

Seriously if you want to live well and enjoyably to not have to fight traffic and wake up 2 hours early to go to some soul crushing cubicle farm you don't need UBI just move the hell out of the city. Plenty of opportunities out here to start your own business and make money for yourself

Inflation or theft?

If people are unable to abide by the rule of nutrition, they aren't mentally adequate to have children.

There shouldn't be a fluid "reward" system for the irresponsible having children, as there currently is in the UK.

Good point, Buddhists think similarly.

The materialism is harming because when you desire something and you don't own it you suffer but even if you own it, it won't give you real happiness. And it's a never ending circle.

Sounds like a bunch of faggy libtard shit

If I got free money from the government id just spend it all on beers and gasoline for off roading and so would fucking everyone else out where I live

All for one and one for all. If everyone moves to the country, the concept is defunct.

$20 to get into the park, goy.

I work on the railway.

Si, es verdad. Es realmente sincillo.

>Plenty of opportunities out here to start your own business and make money for yourself

That's the problem, they may be opportunities in your country.

But come to the jobless states, try being poor.

Massive Immigration will never stop while there is poverty and no opportunities in many countries.

J'ai un grande Jardin. :)

Abolish income tax instead. Every time i bring this up no one responds.
More money in your pocket which is what you want. No additional money for porch monkeys and other unemployables.

Lazy spaniard wanting free gibbs
>not gobbunism
Pottery

One world government is the solution.

We just need to make sure the leader is in conspiracy with God.

I was a wageslave and absolutely hated it. Starting my own business right now. Wish me Luck lads. It's hard but worth it. So rewarding. Can just sleep and wake up when I want and do things I like

Lazy?

o7

NEETs on suicide watch
No more publix babbies

>Feeding lazy niggers so they can outbreed us
>a good thing
Yea no. Kys

What?

Just abolish all safety nets and taxes on the individual, most people would work and actually earn enough.

If work is its own reward, then why would everyone quit once they got minimum wage UBI?

I wish you the highest success and congratulations to you!

As you say, seeing your own effort flourishing is extremely rewarding. We should all take note of your courage.

This
Wagies are contradicting themselves

This.

Sup Forums has some of the brightest minds.

You are all capable of doing amazing things in this world.

Do it.

its a salute...

o7

I'm don't hate my job but I'm doing that

Imagine a NEET epidemic a million times bigger than the one we have right now. Most people work because they have to. If they don't have to, they will consume entertainment all day long and get high.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

How about we tax your moms means of reproduction with niggerdicks you massive commie cuckold. Kys

Thanks my Amigo. There is nothing more amazing than being in control of your own time but still knowing that you make money by yourself. It's freedom. God bless


Thanks mate

Have you all heard the lecture by Alan Watts (I'm not a big Alan Watts guy but I thought he was on point with this one)

If money was no object, what would you be doing with your life?

What you work?
I've tried literally almost dozens of different kind of jobs. Hated them All. The only one which was not absolute shit was software dev.

So would you be content with barely scraping by on UBI? If people are content with that existence, then why not just let them rot while you make bank at a real job?

So welcome. Glad to hear inspiring people.

>christcuck advocating communism
Jesus hates commies you faggot

The moment you put numbers on the idea is the moment you realize how stupid it is.

Would Jesus let a man starve if the man couldn't learn how to fish?

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
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>not refuting the point
UBI leads to communism, it's not an ideology just a mean to an end

you can't take welfare away once it's in place, especially highly dependable one like UBI
you basically want to give a minimum wage for breathing to everyone, what do you think will happen ? nogs and spics will save it ? invest ? you fucking know they'll buy the newest iphone and ipad every month, and get a lease on a lexus black panther edition
congrats you made the rich richer, fucked the country's workforce harder than immigration (which now increased tenfold with people hijacking even more SSNs to get UBI and send it back to their family)
it's insanity

are you talking about charity and comparing that to UBI, clarify your "zinger"

welfare is for subhumans

What about UBL
Universal Basic Labor
Work for free 1 day a week
That's all it would take to make a better world.

You game, comrade?

If I can live a decent life on UBI, then the most scarce thing to obtain in the pursuit of happiness will be time.

It will be the same for everyone.
We will have 90% unemployment.

>doesn't understand how inflation works
>blames opponents as ignorant
UBI is the biggest blue pilled meme ever, almost as much as rehabilitative Justice.

Kys christcuck

but more people could start leaving the workforce as they see the UBI as a more lazy/free way of living and then the taxes from the automation unit tax would start to not be enough. And then people will start telling business owners that they have to pay more tax on their machines.
One thing in life is true that every animal and plant has to fight for their right to live. Why should humans be any different. Hell even back in the day disabled people could be in a circus and earn money for themselves.

We in the country could survive without the city I don't think the reverse would be true though

Yes the city has its uses but the problem is too many people are packing into cities cities are getting too big and I think it's putting a toll on people's mental health who live there. I think you really do have to get into the outdoors once in awhile get away from the constant noise and crowding. People out here have less stuff on average but seem much less likely to be messed up mentally or hate life. There also seems to be an expectation in the city that you need to own a bunch of stuff even living beyond your means to not be seen as "poor" to keep up an image that's not realistic and to have things revolve around consumerism. Out here someone who finds a vehicle in bad condition for cheap and then fixes it up is looked on almost more highly than someone who gets a new vehicle because they saved themselves money by doing a little work for themselves. And that's another thing in the city most work is done for someone else but out here not everyone but many people do work for themselves

sure schlomo 'the solution'
a conspiracy with (((God)))

because i will end up paying for those lazy cunts through more taxes

>feudalism forced peasants to build stuff
Your point?
Ahh, i see, there is non. You're just a massive christcuck fag.

You forgot to take the open border factor in the equation.

I don't see it coming.

You got some points.

You do it cause there is no alternative, but with automation there is an alternative.

Neets are not responsible for the state of the system.

In some poll, 30% of britain citizens admitted that their job had no real value, It wouldn't matter much if they stopped working.

ha yea free to donate after you shoot them in the back of the head ya commie fuck

Yes.

Kek
Based!

Are you the Spainard that spams all the pro commie threads? If you think each according to their ability and each according to their needs is a good idea then you have no abilities and the only think you need is a bullet in your skull

I would fucking trade UBL for taxes. Instead of having hard workers to pay all the taxes, the leeches would provide in equal share and the rics would not work only 6 days a week?

That's the thing that scares capitalists the most. The high taxes they pay into the system gets turned into welfare and then back into profits because the welfare underclass buys their products. Proposed non-income based tax plans like a Georgist system charges speculators, investors, and banks for all the land they seize to drive up the profits on their real estate and stock portfolios and gives too much power to the lower classes without taking anyone's actual income.

:) Ja das ist mein helfen

The state won’t cover vidya gaming for me. If I want something I should have to go earn it. If I need something like food or water, that’s what ubi is for.

Ich bin AshkeNAZI Ja?

I think the argument is that even if their job is completely meaningless, they must work and suffer for a living because that's the natural way.

Isn't that some fallacy?

which makes it a million times worse, especially in the US where they don't even have an up to date social security number database

>A recent watchdog review found that at least 6.5 million active Social Security numbers belong to people who are at least 112 years old and likely deceased. Only 35 living individuals worldwide had reached that age as of October 2013, according to the Gerontology Research Group.

I don't really know, but I would try several things.

That's not the case.

Some things are not as easy as 1+1 = 2

There is no god and you're just a fuckin commie in disguise. Kys.

Division of labor is my point. Look it up.

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Sure ;)

>improper use of memes
>promoting communism
>larping as christcuck
>memeflag
Show your true flag amerifat shill. Then kys.

remove all other gib me dats and then ubi is cheaper and better

"But the law of nature and its Author cannot be flouted with impunity. Communism has not been able, and will not be able, to achieve its objectives even in the merely economic sphere. It is true that in Russia it has been a contributing factor in rousing men and materials from the inertia of centuries, and in obtaining by all manner of means, often without scruple, some measure of material success. Nevertheless We know from reliable and even very recent testimony that not even there, in spite of slavery imposed on millions of men, has Communism reached its promised goal. After all, even the sphere of economics needs some morality, some moral sense of responsibility, which can find no place in a system so thoroughly materialistic as Communism. Terrorism is the only possible substitute, and it is terrorism that reigns today in Russia, where former comrades in revolution are exterminating each other. Terrorism, having failed despite all to stem the tide of moral corruption, cannot even prevent the dissolution of society itself. " - DIVINI REDEMPTORIS - Pope Pius XI

Long as I can actively bully all UBINEETs, it's okay.
Even better would be the UBINEETs get no real rights. Guns, voting, and land ownership are restricted.

>That's not the case.
Ho, but it is.

They had a referundum about UBI in Switzerland. The proposed amount of money was 49% of the GDP. The economies from the existing welfare programs was around 15% of the GDP.

No one, not even the people who proposed the plan had any idea of where the money could come from.

Now, please, prove me wrong. Talk about UBI and use numbers.

Basic Income - Dont have to work if you dont want to
Rewarded more than others if you do work hard

Communism - Forced to work
Not Rewarded for Hard work or effort

Exactly, no social safety nets with only UBI still requires individuals to be responsible and sane.

Those who are neither responsible or sane will go 100% nutcase consumerist and starve to death, while fueling economic booms at the same time.

Those who are sane will likely go on to get an education and become the great innovators of society.

Just nudging natural selection in the right direction.

The architecture and structures of the city must be preserved and utilised, we can work on developing nature around them. Separation from nature is where we find mental health issues.

It is proven people who live by the sea have lower blood pressure for example. Once we integrate nature into the city scape, well being will increase.

Singapore is a good model for this.

>If I must suffer, then others must also suffer as bad or worse

That's the entire argument against UBI. When same people encounter suffering, they seek to limit it as much as possible in the future. When Sup Forums sees suffering, they want to spread it to as many people as they can.

nobody wants to pay for your stupid shit you lazy fuck

And this is before the UBI.

I know if we got this, my grandmother would never die.
I know the migrant crisis will hit at 10 millions people a year.

Bravo! I am so for this, I might make it my next project.

That and a return to Hippocratic medicine.

We must remember the Ancients life span was equal if not more than modern the modern American. This is a huge problem, without proper nutrition, people are unable to obtain fulfil their full potential.

>Communism - Forced to work
I want antifa to read that.

You are currently paying for a small percentage of peoples stupid shit.

And with UBI either we keep paying the same and the stupid fuck starve in the street or we tripe the cost.

PUT.
NUMBERS.
ON.
IT.

>we have spent ungodly ammounts of time and resources in creating machines to eliminate toil and discomfort
>that automatization has literally rendered your choices of employment useless to society
>but regardless of your job being absolutely useless to society, we WON'T pay you a UBI because then you would not need to toil and you would not feel discomfort
To be quite honest famalam is society is simply too autistic to make use of all the fucking technology we developed we might as well bring back the jungle and the gorillas, tear down this whole fucking farse and hunt and gather.