Why are Americans so against universal healthcare?

Why are Americans so against universal healthcare?

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Why are Jews so bad at shilling?

Because it goes to shit like all other public fund schemes.

Ok you posted your epic meme now can you provide an actual argument?

we have universal healthcare in Poland and it is terrible terrible monster that eats taxes and does not work

Country is full of on non Americans who won't chip in but rather take and take without ever giving back. Why should we be forced to pay for people who hate us?

I was researching this earlier and we are actually one of the highest tax / gov spending countries in the world. Also our quality of care is behind a large amount of European countries with universal healthcare plans. Also the quality of care and wait times are far better in countries like Switzerland and Singapore.
Can you explain why? Not saying you're wrong.

Because it incentivises people to not care care of their health, as they know they can just use and abuse the system. Trust me, my missus works for the NHS and the waste, abuse and fraud is off the scale. The NHS is going bankrupt primarily because of disgustingly unhealthy obese people.

>Why are Americans so against universal healthcare?
well it's a fundamental belief of our society that if you work hard and are good, you will succeed. if you are poor, well that's always your fault because you a fat, lazy, piece of shit that just doesn't want to work hard enough to succeed. by extension of that principal in a healthcare system where you live and die by the dollar, the unhealthy are unhealthy because they didn't work hard enough to afford good insurance and care from the best doctors. it's their fault not anyone else's.
universal healthcare provides a system by which we all receive care, because americans never think that maybe that person got dealt a bad hand, no, they're poor, they don't work, and they're making the state take that extra $1000 a month from my hard earned paycheck. to implement universal healthcare would be to admit the american dream is more of a dream and less a reflection of the current reality we live in.

Switzerland do not have universal healthcare. Everything cost a lot here. However you are required to take an insurance which are private.

The only help is for people not able to pay the most basic insurance.

Who dat girl

Because only on a free market (meaning a lot of competition) you can have low prices and no shortages.

Niggers and spics

And the US doesn't have a free market.

Because we have to pay for all the fat spics and niggers.

because they have 100 million shitskins on welfare and they are not retarded enough to waste their money on the vermin

I know you're just a baiting jew but if you want a real answer, it's pretty simple.
People are against 'Universal' handing out of a highly expensive, specialized asset on the public dime to everyone. Medical technology and service is rarified and valuable, it is a highly prized commodity on global and local markets; and as you subsidize and redistribute it like loaves of bread at a USSR bread-mart, you lower the quality of the actual service.
Americans essentially believe you should get what you have earned and can afford; if you are a well-accomplished, ambitious lad, you can afford to spend your resources as you see fit.
Those who achieve nothing and earn nothing receive nothing and are not entitled to simply rob their betters at gunpoint for highly rarified and expensive services and products.

There you go.

Ad hominem the argument

OH easy. Too many takers and not enough makers. If you earn nothing you get free everything and if you make average income you go broke buying basic medical care because poor Jamal's needs come first. It seems like a great idea for a small homogenous country however.

Ok well I am for becoming an ethno-state etc and I agree with your point of non Americans not contributing obviously. I suppose the demographic issue would need to be solved before healthcare, which is frustrating.
Hm that is interesting. Do those people not pay, receive subsidies and such? I'm not very familiar with the UK's healthcare plan I must admit. Don't you guys have one of the lower % of gdp spent on healthcare?
I can understand your point, I really do. Part of me is collective and wants to provide healthcare for my fellow countrymen but you always have lazy assholes who abuse it and ruin it for everyone else.
Oh my mistake. So the only people that get the benefit of cheap quality healthcare are like the bottom 10% income earners or something? So why do you guys pay so much then? What's the benefit for the average tax paying citizen? I thought it was supposed to provide choice and keep costs down?
My wife.

no its moreso I already have money and don't think of/care about people who need handouts just to get by. Like the africa problem, let the poor population stabilize by starving them out. I'd pay into taxes for some kind of national response team a bit more armed than police just to deal with poor people who freak out and try to suicide bomb the white suburbs due to lack of gibs.

trolling or not, the fact remains that people believe this country is the land of opportunity, and that instills a belief that good things happen to those who work hard, which isn't wrong, but to be frank life is always going to suck for probably 90% of any population, that's just how things work.

so many people are so lazy so i get it, but at the same time most people aren't stupid and lazy, but still suffer. sure they're going to be those assholes, but at the same time we, at some level, already subsidize them one way or another.

>Muh someone else's money
And yet we currently have the most expensive and least effective healthcare system, unless you're upper middle class.

Have you considered it helps us all economically in the long run to have a healthy nation?

She looks like one of the BLACKED girls.

Fuck, Sup Forums, what have you done to me?

We have universal healthcare in Austria and it works great. Of course it could be better, but i cant really complain.

I'm just taking a guess here.
But perhaps the demographic make-up of that country means that universal healthcare would mean that only a very few actually pays for it. But everyone get the same level of treatment even if they never even tried to contribute.
I know, this sounds great to the regressive left. But that's just confirming who intends to cash in on such a system, without ever giving anything to it.
>some will by buying bling and kfc buckets for their gibs and ''unofficial income''
>others will be paying for their triple bypass

Well the US doesn't really have a "free market". The government also spends an absolutely ludicrous amount of money on health care, medicade / medicare etc. I guess that is where I am so confused. Where is this money going? Why are we subsidizing people who don't need it instead of the poor who can't afford care?
Already stated I want an ethno-state.
But everything I have read says that the quality of healthcare is behind European countries such as Sweden, Netherlands, France, Germany etc.
I am for a much smaller ethno-state as I already stated. I can grasp why this concept for a country as large as the US probably would be impossible. But a much smaller community type country I believe it could be fantastic.
It really sucks that we fuck over those who actually need and deserve help because of free loaders.
memes are ruining your brain user. porn isn't real life

Does it matter at this point considering the burden on the American welfare system right now means certain progressive destabilization?

4 variables:
- automation
- immigration
- outsourcing
- the biggest retard races of beaners and other subhuman having 4+ kids while many white have 1, 2, and actually many have none now since the current breeding-age whites aren't financially-secure enough to feel comfortable with kids (combined with thot culture of cock carouseling on Tinder Chads with endless birth control fun while becoming a strong womyn).

All of this means less low-end jobs, more retarded workers who are as incapable of basic function as the Walmart negress, and America is now at what, something like a third of the county qualifying or receiving some firm of welfare, on food stamps?

Haven't even mentioned the (((student loan))) bubble of defaulting goyim getting docked 10% of their slave shekels for life, already running on debts for renting apartments that are 1/4th of their income for a shitbox.

Meanwhile, the Jew overlords like Bezos just canned a ton of dumb goy workers. He'll can the rest as soon as Boston Acoustics has their robots ready to fully staff those warehouses so everyone can order their helium tanks off Amazon prime, that don't actually have enough helium to off yourself, but just enough to fuck you up permanently.
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Population control. If it's universal that means it helps everyone. And we don't want to help everyone. Just rich white people.

Yeah, well American health-care is a different beast.

they dont need healthcare because its the land of the free

>Everything I have read
Sources please.
There are a lot of measurement methods that place the US "Behind" in many terms, but consider that most of the world with power and money comes to the US for treatment.
The US is behind if you measure it on a "lol how much does the average citizen get", but that's the reality of capitalism.
Scumbags who achieve nothing receive nothing.
Why should they?
Obvious exceptions exist, but as a general philosophy, welfare culture is a terrible thing.

You will find plenty of assessments that the US Health care system is "Behind" or "Bad"; but that's mostly going to point at data that the average person receives poor care. That's because our system isn't based on giving healthcare to everyone. You're measuring apples with an orange-meter.

>Why are Americans so against universal healthcare?
We already have a great health care system in the USA. EVERY job I have EVER had has provided me with insurance as well, so enjoying our great healthcare is even easier.

I have no college education. How is it that I Have never in 20 years been without insurance?

The system works just fine for people who participate in society.

i disagree with you on so many points, but it's, in my best works, delightfully strange to see that at some level, we agree that policy is controlled by and favor those who have money, and that's pretty much the opposite of how things are supposed to work.

>for a country as large as the US probably would be impossible...

Then why the fuck are you asking why Americans are so against universal healthcare if you readily concede that it is probably impossible?

The answer is that it is probably impossible

The future appears so bleak. Ethno-state when?!
What about poor white people? They don't deserve to be left for dead in my opinion, at least not all.
I'm honestly beginning to resent a large portion of my fellow countrymen. It's gotten to the point where seeing a healthy looking in shape human being over the age of 12 is becoming a real rarity.
>sources
ok I will post them in a second. Sorry I'm having a very hard time keeping up with the thread, I'm trying to reply to everyone.
healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
commonwealthfund.org/publications/press-releases/2014/jun/us-health-system-ranks-last

because not everybody deserves to live

Green eyed monster, typical FAS-slav model Oliwia something
>She looks like one of the BLACKED girls.
It's the fetal alcohol syndrome, all the blacked girls have it, hence the association.
This one is Polish, so she might be able to resist the joo, despite her mental handicap

Maybe you missed the part where over 50% of the USA is fat, over half that 50% is obese to the point they need to wash themselves with a rag on a stick. You want universal healthcare? You'll have eventually to kill old people as soon as they turn 75, and every lardass above 400 pounds.

Does the telegony from fucking a nigger morph a regular face into an FAS face?

Socialism is evil, plain and simple.

If I'm paying for your health insurance, what incentive do you have to attempt to be healthy? You are getting paid to be fat, sick and dying, and I'm fronting the bill.
Now you are getting free healthcare, and it's getting paid for below premium by the government, which means that hospitals and physicians get reduced payments, which means there will be less and less physicians, which means the quality of healthcare will decline. The issue with that is that American healthcare is the best in the world, hands down. Our standards are so stringent that anything less than perfect disrupts the system and disallows payment from CMS. So if CMS doesn't pay a doc, the doc will start to deny anything but private insurance.
Look at Canada; the system is a mess. Private hospitals have good healthcare, but public hospitals have a 3 month waiting period for a blood pressure check.

Eat shit, kike!

i am for a universal system. maybe do something like taiwan does--they revamped their whole system only a decade or so ago. by any reasonable metric, the US is like Albania-tier in terms of care (infant mortality, etc, etc) and we pay double what any reasonable country like the UK or Japan or Germany or France--who all have universal health care that is much more effective and simpler than ours--pays for their system. it doesn't have to be state-run like the NHS in the UK; it could be like the german model where it's private companies with a bunch of government regulations and stipulations, but some huge reform needs to be done. unfortunately, we wont ever do it because our two-party system is made for perennial gridlock.

it also sucks to have to pay for fatties and nigs, but France and the UK seem to manage, delivering better care at half the cost. also, bear in mind that the US has universal government care for seniors--that's medicare, using private companies. and we have universal care that uses government facilities--that's the Veterans Affairs system. We could expand either to achieve something reasonable, but again, two-party system--it'll never happen. so basically, don't get sick, or else you'll be dead or bankrupt.

I'll be surprised if GenX who is now at about age 50 gets the same treatment in Healthcare as the boomers do now. A broke boomer with nothing can go into a nursing home on the government dime, and a great many now do, going into nursing homes with houses that they already buried in debt before they even needed long-term care.

So, will it be the Gen X or the Millennials that are the first generation of broke fuck Americans who are dying broke with no kids or family to take care of them who get told even by the Healthcare system "nope, doc at the hospital is gonna push you out to the curb, sorry"?

ty, she looks good though

We pay 300chf per months for a mandatory insurance that is pretty much a catastrophic event coverage, where we have to call a call-center and ask for permisssion to see a insurer approved doc, that might refere you to a specialist that gives you a appointment in the next 6-24 months...
Don’t want that shit, well get some extras for 1k chf per month but wait if you actually need those extras we take you to court and won’t pay anything anyway.

We have a glorious system. It’s so full of shit I don’t even have words.

because niggers and spics do't pay taxes

I hate when people bring up the infant mortality rates in america. Yes, many european countries have a rate of 3 per 1000 live infant births, and yes, america has a rate of 7.1 per 1000 live infant birth. But America also has a much higher drug-using population and areas of much poorer communities. What I'm trying to say is that if there were no minorities, our infant mortality rate would be nominal.

Why are communists against universal freedom?

Because free market is better

Freedom

In your country where everyone is a plumber or a toilet user, the economy is simple.

Niggers and spics prevent functional plans.


They us all the resources and contribute nothing.

I disagree with you that our standards are so high. I think fraud is very common though. But literally everything I have been reading over the past week has bashed the US for it's quality of care. I am not proposing nor am I a fan of Canada's system which is a mess and a failure. I am proposing something more along the lines of Germany or Singapore, not a single payer system.
I agree with this post 100%. Real bummer our government can't get anything done. Our political system is genuinely useless and a real detriment at times.
Wow that is the opposite of everything I've heard. Wtf
How am I a communist? Literally how did you reach that conclusion? If you're not intelligent can you just leave the thread?
What about a system such as Germany's?
I don't think our healthcare system offers very much freedom desu
LMAO

>I have no clue what an ad hominem is. I just typed the name to sound intelligent.
It didn't work. You sound like an idiot. An ad hominem is when you use an attack on YOUR OPPONENT in place of a logical rebuttal. He was not attacking you or the OP. He was just answering the stupid question.

I am not a leftist and I am very pro-life. But yes I agree, that was not an appropriate use of ad-hominem at all.

I'm a doctor at a hospital in a city of 50k+ people that caters mostly to the poor. If I had more time to write right now, I'd tell you all the ways in which $100k gets wasted per day in my hospital on fucking worthless human beings. Doctors need the ability to refuse service to certain people.

And here's a fun tip: if you don't have health insurance, go to a hospital that caters mostly to the poor. 99% of my patients are on medicare/medicaid/uninsured (no exaggeration). Our billing department will send a bill to the person, they won't pay, and we won't go to a collection agency because it costs too much and we know the person won't have anything to give. It does not impact your credit rating. You will not be in debt. You'll get maybe 2 letters in the mail from the hospital then the entire thing will be dropped. If you do go to the hospital, just be a courteous human being toward the people treating you and do what the doctor tells you. You will instantly be in the doctor's favorite 5% of patients.

>So, will it be the Gen X or the Millennials that are the first generation of broke fuck Americans who are dying broke with no kids or family to take care of them who get told even by the Healthcare system "nope, doc at the hospital is gonna push you out to the curb, sorry"?

Yes, it's a safe assumption that a good chunk of the people born past 1980 won't make it to a good pension. Some will obviously, but many tens of millions won't.

Don't ignore this comment-^ because it's spot-on. In Italy it's the same

>dude my doctor thinks I have a cancer, I need a biopsy
>ok, it's scheduled for September
>but it's January
>toughlucklol
>go private, pay 200€
>get result overnight

Let's not mention ER, tons and tons were brought to literal collapse and shutdown because of old cranky men whining for sore arms while red triage were left hanging.

Why don't you shut off that fucking meme flag and show us your real nationality, faggot?

not against it, I just know how things work here, my free healthcare will cost me 3 times as much as it does now and it'll be 100 times worse. we can't have anything good in this country because half the population will ruin it with fraud and abuse.

>I'm not a leftist.
>Why doesn't the government rape taxpayers to give me shit I value for FREE?

It's this attitude that voted in trump, and now you're a laughing stock.

Probably something to do with not wanting to pay for nogs and gender reasignment therapies out of your pocket, while you die in a waiting line.
Possibly

Canada's "free" healthcare was found to be so bad that it was declared a violation of human rights and they had to institute an option for privatized medicine paid for by the consumer. Just like the "evil" US has.

>W-we laugh at your president. S-s-o take that!
We laugh at you being fucked up the ass by the Muslims your government is flooding your nations with.

Because we believe people should not be forced into paying for other people.
Charity, yes.
Forced charity, no.

If you had a country full of gibme dats, you would understand.

I am always kind and respectful towards anyone providing me a service of course. I treat others how I want to be treated. Can you expand on what criteria you would propose in order for a doctor to refuse service?
I have mentioned I am an American multiple times. Maybe you learn how to read.
Sadly I kind of agree with this sentiment. Some people just have to ruin good things for the rest of us.
Can you stop with the straw man? I am trying to think of ways to improve our country and reduce spending not get free stuff. Sorry if the mere proposal of an idea triggers you this much. You're insufferable and no different from the far left.
Not him, and I'm not a huge Trump supporter myself, but I don't care about what other countries think of us. I want to do what is best for our citizens (white people only) and not what will make us popular internationally. Your country certainly isn't one to throw stones either.
rmyt

>Because it incentivises people to not care care of their health
Yeah, because people want to be sick and ailing. Just so they can access public healthcare and long waiting lines. This is how the world works, right.

And yet you have the most morbidly obese people. Of course you're also a good American cheering when insurance companies and medical services rape the population in the ass with impunity while delivering massive profits to a tiny slice of money hoarders at the top. It's the American dream after all. Just like the educational system with accompanying student loans and debts. No wonder parts of America are third-world tier.

thanks to the lifetime per capita budgetary impact of niggers and spics, we can't afford it.

I am American as well. I know how bad the minorities are. I'm going to just change flags so people stop making these useless posts.

Because my tax money will go to fund the 14% of niggers and the 25% of Hispanics that will just be a drain and a welfare parasite. I'm not saying ALL niggers and spics are welfare parasites, I'm just saying that they will be the ones abusing the system by a large percentage and complaining about it will be seen as racist. America is falling apart now, with universal healthcare, America will turn into a third world country. No country could take in 1 million immigrants a year AND have a robust welfare system AND have open borders.

> healthcare is needed to survive so the government should provide it
> shelter is needed to survive so the government should provide it
> food is needed to survive so the government should provide it
> water is needed to survive so the government should provide it
> clothes are needed to survive so the government should provide it
>et all
You are responsible for yourself.
Show me in the constitution where the federal government is authorized to give any of the multitude of handouts it currently gives

I very strongly agree with the second part of your post regarding the insurance companies (student loans too but that's another discussion in itself). I just get angry at a lot of these "conservatives" and "right wingers" who are complacent and content to let the insurance companies get away with murder because of muh free market.
Already stated like 5 times I also desperately desire an ethno-state.
Yeah, I honestly believe America is very close to a collapse, and I mean in ~50 years. We can't sustain this level of self harm as a country.

I'm not against it, but others have legitimate reasons to hate it. Our country is full of junkies and degenerates, and libcucks will vote for more and more programs to give them free shit.
youtu.be/znvBbXSkQNs

I don't believe in all of that though. I am no a socialist or a communist. I just don't believe our current system of healthcare is a good one. We spend a ridiculous amount of money on health care while other countries with supposedly "evil socialized healthcare" systems such as Singapore pay 1/5th of what we do and have better quality care. And I actually do think the government is responsible for protecting the right to clean water for it's citizens, otherwise with no laws you would have companies dumping who knows what into the public water. This would end up like Michigan etc. I absolutely hate our welfare state. That isn't in any way what I'm talking about.
This is one of the main problems that really makes me hesitate when it comes to universal healthcare. We have to come up with a system to revoke their healthcare rights while on drugs or something.

also
>that video
>the absolute state of commiefornia

I can't imagine America floating downward like this that much longer. I can see 10 years, but anyone who has been paying attention can tell America has been becoming increasingly shittier at greater speeds: every previous cheery middle-class or working-class suburb of the 90s is now a working-class toilet full of drug users and thots.

To quote a 20-something from a very white blue collar suburb I know "everyone does drugs here because there's nothing else to do." A generation drinking, smoking, popping pills, fucking, working shit jobs, having food stamp cards, living with parents way into their 20s, facing an increasingly shittier economy.

50 more years? LOL. There's a reason rich likes are buying property elsewhere.

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Do you think our health care system is good?

They spend less because of culture.
Our culture eats shitty food, is promiscuous, and and rest.

Additionally, drug manufactures develop and tests new drugs in the US. Because of that, the cost is handed down to US users while the finalized deliverable is shipped to foreign countries without the overhead.
Same goes with new procedures.
We develop medical advances and absorb the financial burden while other countries only see the final product.

Yes I do. Get a job and stop complaining

You're a retard.

This. The only ones complaining are unemployed bums. Universal healthcare is garbage. You guys need to revert back to free market healthcare before it's too late.

Because it doesn't work, ever.
Doctors need to eat -> so you can't force them to work for free -> someone has to pay for it -> It is paid for with taxes.
people who made good decisions in life and pay taxes while people who made poor decisions in life don't.
You get to only a part of the population paying for everyone else's health care, while at the same time enjoying the fun times and advantages of not being able to chose and artificially high costs that come with a government monopoly,

I'd say wait until you're the one paying for it, but I doubt that will ever happen. Keep on feeling the Bern faggot.

Actually i make over 6 figures. I have the best health insurance possible. There are Americans working two jobs, 16+ hours, and can barely house and cloth themselves. Health insurance isn't even a possibility. These aren't lazy people, these are our countrymen in need of help. Why is the right-wing completely devoid of compassion and reduces the poor to lazy, intitled brown people?
You're perfectly ok with sending all your taxes into the military to nation build for Isreal, but your own people should suffer. Fuck off.

I voted for Trump, make ~65k a year and pay my fair share of taxes. You are clueless and have no idea what you're talking about. The issue isn't "free shit" and socialism. You're leaving your fellow white countrymen, the people you supposedly care about for dead. All because you're obsessed with muh total freedom! I wish uneducated morons like you would stop spewing your ignorant uninformed opinions online and resort to calling the other person a liberal when they call you out for being a retard. I'm sure you will respond to this with a hilarious witty comment calling me a cuck.
great post ty

Back in the 90s they could walk into a hospital and get treatment for free out of the kindness and generosity of the doctors. You numale faggots on the left thought that wasn't good enough and decided to ruin the system for those very people you claim to want to help.

Healthcare is a perfect example of private charity doing a better job than muh gubment coercion.

Neck yourself

Because it's a stupid idea and sooner or later it crumbles.

fatties. And I'm not even trying to be disrespectful to fat people. My sister is obese, but she has a fine job and she married a Doctor and they both already have insurance so more power to em.

>Why is the right-wing completely devoid of compassion
You want us to be toxicly masculine cic gender whites? You created the box we now operate from. It is lots like shitting the bed. You made a mess, now you sleep in it.

Fuck off nigger. Get a real fucking job.

because it ends up primarily being a transfer program to resentful blacks and mexicans

Because they're hideous, brainwashed, unempathetic creatures. Don't forget that Americans worship being selfish and base their morality off it. To an American, sparing $1/year to save others is comparable to the holocaust.

>Actually i make over 6 figures. I have the best health insurance possible.
Stop jerkin' yourself off user.
>There are Americans working two jobs, 16+ hours, and can barely house and cloth themselves.
Hmmmm...I wonder how that happened...maybe it has something to do with all the vaginas flooding the job market.

Do you have a learning disability?
Largely true, American culture is repulsive

>holocaust
It never happened.

We have the NHS here, which in theory should work well, in practice immigrants and health tourists all come here to use the "free" healthcare that people like me actually have to pay for. Fortunately it's looking like the NHS will be privatised in the near future, for tax paying native Brit's this can't come soon enough.

>Do you have a learning disability?
Mildly autistic.

No doctor will turn away a sick patient, or they are no real doctor.

I do not use obamacare. I have private insurance. It is cheaper than o-care (400% cheaper by closest comparison) and I have a $20 deductible for everything from eye glasses to a dental visit. I can't even get an o-care quote with that sort of deductible.

I got involved with a small private insurance...Why? Because it is better to work with a small group of similar people. We don't pay for abortions either because it is murder. We don't take care of fat and unemployed people who live near jobs that are beneath them. Our members work for their rights to the insurance program.

And guess what. No one has a right to my money but the people I choose to help. I help by paying more then I use every month.

I have ONLY been on this plan for 10 years, so It is a solid thing. My monthly rate has gone up $150 in those 10 years. Compare that to the mess that is obamacare, and you will see the insanity.

you're truly fucking stupid. as a once fat ass burger i would not pay into a system who were like me. thankfully i've had the courage to make better choices for myself and get a better job environment and i lost about 145 pounds.
if you want to succeed in america you need to have personal responsibility. fuck off.