Capitalism is cancer

All forms of capitalism eventually devolve into an oligarchy. Prove me wrong faggots.
Protip: You can't.

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All forms of any system do. Anarchy is the only way

la ilaha illallah muhammad rasulullah

>oligarchy

remind me what the central committee of a socialist country is.

O comunismo trará o amanhecer e destruirá a América. Implementando efetivamente ideologias de esquerda em todo o mundo. E trazendo a paz para as gerações vindouras.

Anarchy develops into tribalism, and tribalism into feudalism, which is a form of oligarchy

Prove it

Only people who don't read say shit like this, is ought fallacy compa.

Yeah you claimed that capitalism leads to an oligarchy and yet every time communism has been initiated you give your government a monopoly on the music production distribution and the currency of the nation you fucking twat

It's all the same

>remind me what the central committee of a socialist country is.
Correct. Might as well start off with a central committee since capitalism eventually devolves into that anyway.

This genius (Buckminster Fuller) destroys communism: youtube.com/watch?v=o6yaSLipeWg

Shut up and go back to Portugal or whatever shithole you came from.
No economic system designed by humans so far has been able to guarantee any sort fo stability while mantaining technological progress. Stop making these 2 digit IQ threads and start thinking about what we can do to change. And no, that does not involve taking any previous ideas and implementing them because they clearly don't work.

You're not wrong. The economy must serve the nation not the a limited class of proprietors.
It's not a club of self-serving billionaires.
Anarchy is dumb impossible dream. In order to supress the emergence of statist order or foreign takeover you would need to organize at the level of a state.

Olá filho

The Chilean is correct you stupid fuck. In anarchy there is chaos and lack order. Some humans will find it in their interest to organize themselves in order to do better in an environment of limited resources and chaos - tribalism. Once tribes form, they compete with each other to do better with the limited resources they have - law and feudalism. Feudalism eventually devolves into oligarchy.

Kys. Anarchy never lasts for long - because there are limited resources in the universe. Even the anarchist environment in Somalia is artificially maintained because no single leader has agreed to sell its vast resources of uranium and natural gas. Once the west finds such a leader, you'll see order coming to Somalia in a hurry.

And why is that inherently bad? some people are born to rule. i mean if you have an armed poulace that can overthrow them if they get too corrupt thats ok. every form of civilizations tend s develop into oligarchy. Socialist countries even faster since they dont have such a strong competition among people making it even easier for incompetent people to stay in power

>yet every time communism has been initiated you give your government
I'm an American you faggot. The last time I checked my government was not communist.
>give your government a monopoly on the music production distribution and the currency of the nation you fucking twat
Is it any different in the U.S. now? So why play around with capitalism when we know it'll eventually turn into a police state controlled by oligarchs?

Socialism would be better than communism, but it simply doesnt work without a capitalist foundation.
Read "Road To Serfdom" it outlines how a true Capitalist society would use Socialism to not only better the country but also to ensure that Capitalism was kept healthy rather than devolving into the Chronyism/Oligarchy we have now inthe US

Tldr of RTS:
>Everytime a company gets large enough that it starts to stifle competition, it gets broken up so it cant squash comptetitors

>This genius (Buckminster Fuller) destroys communism
>Thread's about capitalism devolving into oligarchy.
>Lenin pic for bait.
>Absolute state of brit bongs.
Kys.

>Capitalist society would use Socialism to not only better the country but also to ensure that Capitalism was kept healthy
So... social democracy?

Gabidalism is food :DDDD

All forms of gapitalism devolve into a tasty dinner. Prove me wrong faggots. :DD
Protip: You can't. xDDDDDD

>No economic system designed by humans so far has been able to guarantee any sort fo stability while mantaining technological progress.
What the shit are you talking about? Every system - from monarchies to dictatorships - have made technological progress.
>Stop making these 2 digit IQ threads
Fairly obvious your IQ is in the single digit.

>And why is that inherently bad? some people are born to rule.
True.

Can you read the whole sentence you Cro-Magnon? How long has it been since the world has been "stable" in any way? Everyone is always at war, economies crashing down or we all kept as maneuver masses for our leaders. Has been, is and unless we try to think of a good way to stop it, will be.

I don't need to read communist theory to know that anarchism has never lasted more than days and communism always becomes an oligarchy

Even anarchic groups have hierarchic, they like it or not. In groups like antifa it ends up being the most violent and strong thug of the pack

>Soviet Union literally falls apart and devolves into an oligarchy
I don't have to prove shit. History proves it.

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>anarchism has never lasted more than days
Now I know you don't read

>anarchism has never lasted more than days
Rojava is still going but we will see what happens in the coming years.

Wario.

Antifa, at least the American version, are a bunch of larpers from what I can tell. Also Antifa is not a cohesive group or always anarchist.

Welcome to the party comrade

>Can you read the whole sentence you Cro-Magnon?
>Brazilian calling others Cro-magnon
Rich.
> How long has it been since the world has been "stable" in any way? Everyone is always at war, economies crashing down or we all kept as maneuver masses for our leaders.
True.
>Has been, is and unless we try to think of a good way to stop it, will be.
Hmmm. I don't know user. After much contemplation, I don't think this is possible. The pattern common to all life is that it's born, tries to survive, reproduce, and then die. There are "wars" in all species. Just that humans have developed a sophisticated way to communicate (language) and we have advanced technology. So it seems like peace is possible with humans. However, we've evolved from lower level animals, and the common thing among lower level animals is that they fight to get access to limited resources.

So what I'm trying to get at is that fighting for resources, even when there's plenty, is in our DNA. Perhaps we'll never get out of wars.

Perhaps this is the future of humanity - not Star Trek, but just technological advancement to fight better and better in wars.

The french revolution is pretty much the only example I can find of Anarchy being the rule. There is a reason they call that time the "Reign of Terror" faggot.

This sums up every communist I have ever met.

You never dream of being a factory worker or a farmer.

Anarchism has been destroyed by bolishevists and states. Fascism is answer against capitalism.

>>anarchism has never lasted more than days
>Now I know you don't read
Where has anarchism lasted for a lengthy period of time without external influence? If you cite Somalia, Kys. That's an artificially maintained environment till some military leader rises to trade Somalia's uranium and natural gas supplies with the west.

>The french revolution is pretty much the only example I can find of Anarchy being the rule.
Are you serious?

>Lenin was a black man
We should be shitposting this on Commie's Twitters

Another example?

>>anarchism has never lasted more than days
>Rojava is still going
>Citing a civil war as an example of anarchy.
Do you even anarchy you fucking faggot? You're a disgrace to anarchists.

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What does it matter if it came about as a result of civil war or not?

ah you mentioned one ,but how the fuck is that anarchism thats still fucking hierachical in everyway. hierarchy is not bad. Why do we even go so far and accept the lefts perspective of hierarchy as inherently bad. Hierarchy is morally neutral. We can argue all we want about how to prevent hierarchy ,its all numb in the end

>All forms of capitalism eventually devolve into an oligarchy...
which is marked improvement over Communism that starts as an oligarchy and devolves into starved corpses ruled by slightly different oligarchs.

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>What does it matter if it came about as a result of civil war or not?
Anarchy is not sustainable without conflict. So the Chilean was correct. Humans don't like to be in conflict in perpetuity. Some humans always find it in their interest to end conflicts. Thus, anarchy is not a long term stable form of society - because people on average don't prefer it.

in capitalism you dont starve though. besides you are wrong. only few of the biggest companies a few decades ago are still among the top spots. capitalism is a rise and fall of power. society becomes more unequal, but power doesnt concentrate on a select few people who conspire to keep it forever. that is, of course, unless goverment gets involved. bribing officials is a lucrative way to get tax breaks and subsidies that are form fitted to you. with artifical advantages like that its possible to stay in power longer than your economic success merits. so you say, "thats exactly what I meant capitalism leads to it by default". but the problem is goverment getting involved in the first place. people cant be bribed if there is nothing to bribe em for. if no subsidies are given out, you cannot bribe to get the subsidies. if taxes are low and without special rules to give out, there is less incentive to gain a tax break.

>You never dream of being a factory worker or a farmer.
you hit the nail on the head there

Nice strawman

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how's that trust fund?

All forms of communism eventually evolve into a capitalism. Prove me wrong faggot.
Protip: You can't.

Anarchy also evolves into authoritarianism as if there is no state, there's nobody to stop someone from creating the state, and the one who does this is always the most cruel and violent person, as needed to be to coerce and subjugate others. Anarchy is not sustainable.

Non-existent as usual

>which is marked improvement over Communism that starts as an oligarchy and devolves into starved corpses ruled by slightly different oligarchs.
>user I prefer competent oligarchs to idiotic oligarchs.
Sure, the communists were incompetent oligarchs. I can agree with that. But I don't see why you think a capitalistic oligarchy is better. We're blessed to be born in the U.S. Is our capitalism a good thing for Iraqis or Iranians? Or for that matter, some of the other ME states? The people of Russia and the Eastern Block bore the brunt of their leaders' incompetency. In our world, it's everyone outside the U.S. who bears the brunt of our leaders' incompetency.

You're just arguing against a strawman user.

shouldn't have spent it all on nintendo switch, soymilk lattes, and blacked.com subs huh

>"[...]that the "special section" of the Makhnovist constitution provided for secret executions and torture, that Makhno's forces had raided Red Army convoys for supplies, stolen an armored car from Bryansk when asked to repair it, and that the Nabat group was responsible for deadly acts of terrorism in Russian cities"

What did they mean by this? Also, when someone accuses you of having more than one secret police, as if having one is a "standard" , that's when you smell the BS.

>in capitalism you dont starve though
If you're an American, yes. Not if you're born in one of the countries where we're actively engaged in war.
> besides you are wrong.
Breaks my heart.
>society becomes more unequal, but power doesnt concentrate on a select few people who conspire to keep it forever.
Do you even read the shit you type?

I wish, I could have lived the dream.

I'm not American by the way, all this stuff about trust funds and starbucks seems uniquely American

I mean thats a weak argument ,but you make it pretty funny. I gift you my (you)

Marxism and capitalism are two side of same materialist coin

it is. our anarchists tend to be spoiled rich kids. where you really from?

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Capitalism is cancer but so is communism you fucking ape.

capitalism is a form of anarchy thats why we have all these anarcho capitalists. You think captialism is good, well the world is capitalistic, just look how chaotic and sick our world is, communist nation like NK dont have a chance to prevail them self because the jews wont allow it.
Its simple money rules over the world and who rules the money, do you want to be ruled by jews for ever?

OP needs to learn the difference between free enterprise and capitalism. we once had a free enterprise system here where anti-trust laws were enforced. it was the communists that whittled away at the anti-trust laws combined with the communist central bank we call the fed that killed free enterprise.

it always amazes me how lower level communists cant see that they support wall street. they are the most gullible dupes the world has ever known.

Everything devolves into oligarchy, even monarchys altho its harder for a monarchy it has certainly happend before

I actually agree with you. The issue is have with communism isn't the system it's self, it's how it would work.
Communists today aren't nationalists, they're globalists. If you knew anything about how peoples minds work, you'd understand that they need to be given motivation in order to work. Money is one factor, but the other is nationalism.
If you love your nation at a true level, you would work for your nation and the betterment of it's people.
Communism, given an all white nation, would work. Instill nationalism on the people within that white nation, and the need for money goes away since those people are contempt with working for their nation, just because they love their nation.
Modern commies are the opposite, hate their nation and want to destroy it, which is why it would fail.

Capitalism is anarchy of production

stolen. Didn't have this one yet.

>capitalism is a form of anarchy thats why we have all these anarcho capitalists.
Nice bait

>Using a poster from a country that failed horribly under socialism
Please do say not true socialism so I can laugh even harder at you

Here's your Protip faggot:
Communism has never worked.
Communism will never work

>its a "people think anarchy means no government or any form of organization thread"

>using the jew argument
>communist
Do you have any idea, who created your ideology?
Communism is nothing more, than just a way for (((them))) to rob the goys more openly

All forms of human society devolve into oligarchies, capitalism is nothing special.

enlighten me

why does he look so chad?

>Not if you're born in one of the countries where we're actively engaged in war.

those countries dont tend to be particulary capitalist. or do you mean that capitalist america is the cause?
its not the capitalist part thats doing it though. its the formely democratic goverment that grew corrupt, by getting involved beyond the scope of what a govermant should do and thus allowing themselves to be bribed.

">society becomes more unequal, but power doesnt concentrate on a select few people who conspire to keep it forever.
Do you even read the shit you type?"

yes I do. sure the rich and powerfull will try to preserve their power. but capitalism alone is not enough to do that permanently. otherwise we would see more of the big companies from a few decades ago still being around, and less new companies because the old boys would have to be able to keep them out.

instead they try to bribe goverment. and thats not real capitalism. its crony capitalism where the goverment sells its power like a whore. crony capitalism is the result of leftist policies, that think a bunch of politicians are going to act in the interest of the people and know better what to do with others money. what do they do instead? they sell their new found power. subsidies and taxbreaks made to "stimulate the economy" as if it were a simple thing to be controlled, and not the collective actions of an entire people.

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Anarchists BTFO

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>manlet
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You wot m8

Anarchy (OED): 1. A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems. 2. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
Anarchy (Merriam-Webster): 1.a. Absence of government. 1.b. A state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority. 1.c. A utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government. 2.a. Absence or denial of any authority or established order. 2.b. Absence of order.

Which definition are you using?

Anarachy is getting rid of unjustified hierarchies and having sideways rule. Obviously there's going to need to be centralized bureaucracies, law and so forth. I swear not even actual anarchists understand this these days.

No it doesn't. Not until the Americans/Stalinists start fucking with it at least.

Ok i see but isnt that just pragmatism? I mean anrachy is literally absence of control. I agree that this is not ideal ,but i mean what you are proposing sounds more like a form of socialisism wihtouht an government wiht obsessive control.

>unironically using dictionary definitions for complex political ideas

I'm using Proudhon's definitions.

fuck i better triple check my writing from now on

>getting rid of unjustified hierarchies
>need to be centralized bureaucracies
Not only are you using a definition which doesn't exist in any dictionary, but your own delusions contradict themselves.

>devolve
That's a funny way of saying jewish wrecking.

All forms of communism devolve to oligarchy.