JF on Sargon vs. Anglin "debate"

Why is this fat frog defending Sargon so hard?
Sargon didn't win anything, he wasn't even willing to have a debate.

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Sargon actually did sort of win that debate with Anglin. I don't know how he lost to cianigger spencer. JF is a faggot and might even be worse than Sargon.

>Sargon actually did sort of win that debate with Anglin
No, it wasn't a debate. It was just Sargon avoiding answering questions, strawmanning and being a snake, all the while claiming he didn't want to debate and only wanted to talk.

JF has this weird notion of Sargon as being highly intelligent, which he is not.

He want's to be the 'Centrist' of online debate. If he keeps praising Alt-right guests and attacking lefties no more will come on their show. They are just beginning to gain traction and he has to make himself look 'fair'.
It's dishonest but there is money to be made on (((Youtube))).

>No, it wasn't a debate. It was just Sargon avoiding answering questions, strawmanning and being a snake, all the while claiming he didn't want to debate and only wanted to talk.
This is literally exactly what it was.

I honestly like JF in general, but he is really starting to get on my nerves lately. I hope someone calls him out on his bullshit soon.

JF basically has to counter signal Anglin because people take Anglin's memes seriously. This whole production is just "I disavow".

Also maybe it's 4D chess. White knight for sargon. By doing this you
1.) Tech your audiance how to debate
2.) Encourage sargon to do the spencer debate with JF as moderator
3.) Destroy sargon on spencer debate

Teach*

JF has called sargon an idiot many times. He doesn't think sargon is very intelligent, he just thinks anglin is worse at debating if not less intelligent than dargon

>but richayd!
>sarg'n
>Richayd stop
>sarg'n please
>RiCHAYD

And what if it has the opposite effect? If Sargon is declared winner of his last debate, he can comfortably say he defeated the "alt-right" and refuse to engage with them any more.

Baked Alaska didn't know how to moderate. He wanted to flex his power on HIS show. It would have been better on Warski or on an open channel. Baked Alaska isn't the right moderator for this conversation. He should stick to one on one or being a man on the street.

He already agreed to debate richard again. Jf just needs to convince sargon he will be a good moderator

fuck off with the e-celebs
SAGE

Or maybe JF just thinks differently than you guys? What the fuck is up with this board these days? You guys have become fucking humorless faggots, there used to be a sense of self awareness about all of this. Take a fucking break from the internet, you guys are losing all perspective.

Wouldn't surprise me if he chickened out of that. I'd love for him to debate Mike Enoch though, much rather than Spencer. Spencer isn't very good at debating.

I hope Sargon will do this again with Anglin, but in a better environment because I like Anglin, but I think he needs help or support for his arguments in this kind of debate.

fuck stormniggers. the average person will never accept a place like stormfront
anglin just makes money off of the kkk redneck nazi larpers

He "won" the part where he just interrogates Anglin's philosophy to try to shoehorn it into genocide. Then when he gets asked questions he says he has a secret plan and that it's normal for Anglin's neighborhood to be flooded with Somalis. Controlling the debate doesn't mean that your proposition is better.

No he doesn't. Jf thinks exactly like we do. He sees the world from an evolutionary perspective where morals are subjective. Don't be fooled JF is a great strategist. Not saying that sargon didn't come out on top on this one, i'm just saying JF made this video for more reasons than that.

>That hairline

>that weak beta chin

...

I got to this stream late, but I'm really enjoying this, learning so much about debating. It's long but really good

>e-celebs
>in all fields

Anglin looks like he's got fetal alcohol syndrome or some other type of retardation.

I cant believe how many people on here take him seriously.

This is soooooooooo much better than TV

You have autism.

JF is right

There are only two ways to an ethnostate.
>lolbertarian, have to respect consent and not violating anyone's rights while trying to figure out a fair way for it to happen regardless of how unlikely it is (deontological ethics)
>fascism / SIEGE; make it the ultimate goal and justify everything else as means to achieving that end (utilitarianism; "everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility")
Being #2 while pretending to follow the ethics of #1 is logically retarded and also cucky.

he's very intelligent

I found this post pretty accurate

He said he wanted to take away people's right to work after saying he didn't want to take away anyone's rights.

It's so nice he's able to overcome his disability :)

>:)

Keep your shilling in your containment thread

He isn't defending Sargon he's just recognizing that a lot of what Anglin said was dumb, self-contradictory and just plain old indefensible as a result.

JF already said you can only ethically rebel against the government for being treasonous and rogue, not take it out on the minorities who have not aggressed on anyone. Secessionists vs government is the justified conflict; fascist government vs minorities is unethical on most moral frameworks. You would have to cast aside the concepts of rights and universalist morality (which I think Spencer actually does with his Nietzsche signalling)

I’m new to e celebs but is he strike on strike and mike? They have the same extremely whiny but also angry voice.

If so he is Bretty smart but I have to try and forget his appearance and that’s hes 5’3”. He is one ugly motherfucker.

Did anybody find the retard he fucked? I wonder if she’s hot.

Francos are notoriously bad allies.

no, he owns and runs the Daily Stormer

You're thinking of Eric Striker, a Nazbol type of character who writes lots of articles for the Daily Stormer and is a frequent guest on David Duke's radio show.

youtube.com/watch?v=kNqjETH_9rw

Universalist morality is the gayist thing ever. Also JF is a moral nihilist.

>Make the moral case for an ethnostate
>Use that moral base to create a legal state framework
>Use the power of the state to enforce the laws

Most of the arguments so far have been targeted at steps 2 & 3 and libertarian logic is used to side step all that autistic bullshit because there is a conceivable work around. The goal isn't to spend all day world building and figuring out all the various mechanical and legal frameworks to satisfy every critic's autism. The goal is to make the moral case for an ethnostate.

jf just goes into autism autopilot mode when analyzing things and focus on his conception of the arguments, it doesn't matter if it was sargy or anybody else.

what about when the government policy is directly negative to your people and directly beneficial to the rogue elements in your society who are also an existential threat to your people, the immigrants cause economic, social, and genetic harm.

Sargon's disagreement is that "Western civilization" is based on Kantian ethics / social contracts. He doesn't want to violate that and adopt a totally alien basis for society, that's his axiom. That's why he says Anglin and him will "never agree," because they're operating on totally different ethical grounds. Anglin failed because he didn't even recognize this.

JF is a moral nihilist but has moral preference for the NAP and social contracts which are fundamentally deontological.

Well personally I agree with anglin. The idea that citizenship is just a contract between you and the government is insane to me. A nation should be based on more than a social construct, it should be based on blood.


As for JF he said forming an ethnostate through violence could be justified in a state of complete chaos which seems kind if wierd to me if what you say is true.

You and Anglin are both utilitarians, but our government is based on natural rights and rules that are posed as categorical imperatives, not hypothetical imperatives. Consequentialism and all forms of social engineering are opposed by classical liberals and conservatives, so it's no wonder Sargon opposes both socialism and fascism on similar grounds.

cool!

>He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to compleat the work of death, desolation, and tyranny, and begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

That's one of the grievances we cited to throw a revolution. Time to nut up bongs.

Anglin didn't win, but JF is obviously sucking Sargon's cock
>says he has to do this because he is potentially losing thousands of dollars
>proceeds to suck sargon's cock in hopes of getting a debate setup for the shekels

>first time listening to these "people"
>mfw listening to sargon of akkad speak
This guy needed bullying at school. How can one person be such a smug pseudointellectual?

>He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

You the colony now.

muh tea

I would respond to your second point with Hobbes' concept of the state of nature and how it relates to social contracts enforced by the government. Hobbes argues that it's only logical to rebel against your government once society has regressed to conditions equivalent to the state of nature, i.e. every man for himself. Essentially people have a right to rebel if the government no longer enshrines their rights any more than a state of anarchy.

This, all baked did that entire stream was meme everytime Sargon and Anglin were making a point. You can tell it really off-put Sargon who was trying to make points. It came off as unprofessional.

Quadroon started sperging out hard and then called everyone niggers, I dont think thats how you win

He has the same affliction thar kraut did. He really wants to be part of the upper class. Sargin was born into a working class family, bummed his way through life and never achieved anytjing, then suddenly he gets interested in politics and thinks he's the next kant.

Can somebody explain to me why David Duke and Spencer among others keep company with these Nazbol Eurasian faggots?

even deeply reactionary christians oppose it. the rot runs deep

many reactionaries think the duty of the 130 inteligence geniuses is to provide subsidy to the children of criminal niggers

like, good god. no one is saying to base the entire moral system off conse. but jesus fucking christ.

if these anti-utilitarians force me into slavery to feed niggers they're gonna die beside their pet niggers

In my opinion JF is protecting his business interests. baked alska is competition to his faggity "bloodsports". I think he's being very dishonest

JF hates Anglin. Sargon's assertions were uncontested, while every sentence uttered by Anglin was met with a pause to pronounce Anglin's "retardation". He calls Warski and Baked fucking retards, and they appear in his chat. JF makes nice with them while they are in voice chat with him.

This dumpster fire was not objective and cowardly. I like JF, but he was being a whiny cunt.

JF could not see that Sargon's agenda was to portray Anglin as a murderous psychopath, so he would have ammunition against "the leader of the alt-right". Sargon used flattery and shaming to try to coax genocidal rhetoric out of Anglin. Anglin defended successfully against it.

It's funny because he doesn't realize that Sargon considers him Alt Right anyways. He took some shots on Facebook

you'd probably like it
>working class revolution
>authoritarian government
>unions
>command economy

It's basically like Nazism, in the context of working class struggle.

Whereas guys like Mike Enoch are more free market, libertarian in terms of their underlying tendencies.
In a way, the Nazbol stuff is even more radical

JF is the real jew. he's subverting the aut-right. turning it from ethno-nationalism to anarco-capitalism. he is the one who is converting the kraut fans who in turn identify as alt-right.
think of you're average retarded skeptic sperg, now imagine them spouting far-sighted ideals. they're gonna make white nationalism into the new cringe and we can all thank JF for it

Look at his cheeks. He masturbates too much.

Anglin made it obvious he was coming from a utilitarian standpoint when he talked about overall happiness in the future being greater if we removed minorities from society (i.e. they cause more harm than good; even if removing them causes some suffering, it would have a net benefit) but it's possible to use ethical frameworks other than utilitarianism. Mike Enoch seems to come at it from the perspective of Hume, where he says whatever we feel is right is in fact right and natural (for example, if most people are disgusted by homosexuality, homosexuality is unethical. Since we have strong feelings of hatred towards murder and pedophilia, they are wrong). So if we have the passion to get together with other white people and do whatever we feel is right, that's just the way it is, it's a natural human phenomenon and therefore justified.

JF is unable to accurately comprehend a person's stated position. In the Sargon v Spencer debate, JF continually misrepresented Spencer's position in an attempt to clean it up, and it was so dishonest. JF stated that Spencer wasn't saying there would be a moral code that white people had to adhere to. False. JF stated that Spencer didn't advocate in favor of hereditary aristocracy. False. JF huffs his own farts more than anyone involved in that entire group, and that is saying a lot.

A: We should go live under water!
S: But we can't breathe under water, we need air.
A: NONONO YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT LOGISTICS I AM ONLY SAYING THAT WE SHOULD LIVE UNDER WATER!!!
B: ANSWER THE QUESTION, SHOULD WE LIVE UNDER WATER???
S: But we can't breathe under water.
A: LOGISTICS LOGISTICS LOGISTICS

An ethnostate is not feasible and anybody who thinks otherwise is retarded.

look I don't like the bol part of it, but at this point every bit of help counts

after killing all the niggers off the socialists and capitalists, as european people, can hopefully agree to separate (maybe not)

but even if there is conflict at that point at least our race didn't get genocided

I hate listening to them because they are retarded, but just tolerate it, man. they're going to pull in tons more idiots because the socialist aspect is the only thing people under 100 intelligence are capable of understanding

further, they're faster to violence because they don't see any other method of conflict resolution outside of violence. they'll provide muscle for us

You're missing it, all sargon had to do was what he did, not debate, get anglin to spazz and come off as a low IQ trash, anglin obliged. sargon didn't win the debate, he won the pr war, most people will be turned off to low IQ low brow low class, even if correct, even if the opposition was refusing to engage and come off as assholes. The same as not wanting to live around spics, niggers, or trailer trash, the upper & middle class, progressives may virtue signal for shitskin dregs but in their actions they want nothing to do with them with White flight, etc. anglin lost, hurt his side more than sargon merely shown to be using scummy tactics like a jew.

>An ethnostate is not feasible and anybody who thinks otherwise is retarded.

have people ever been removed from countries before?

All I see here is a bunch of fags like OP complaining that their perceived side got criticized for making some big mistakes in a debate.

Baked Alaska and Andy hopped on to basically agree that they could have done better. What's the problem? Can you not admit when your "side" made a mistake or are you going to be tribalistic faggots with 0 self-awareness?

going too far in either direction is plain retarded. a utility function clearly is the basis for neurological functioning

gut morality and virtue ethics are also real, but they are an EVOLVED utility function rather than a logical one

BOTH are true, but people that go for the gut/virtue ethic argument too often think utility isnt real

killing niggers is correct in EVERY circumstance and if JF opposes this he's going to share their unmarked graves

>people defending sargon
that (((debate))) was a shitshow and just proved how stupid these e-celebs are

>Living without niggers is like living without air
Taking it a little far there bud.

Name just one case where it worked out.

Sargon came off like a greasy shyster, and no frenchmen is going to tell me otherwise.

So civic nazism? The nazis looked after the working class just fine and racial unity seems easier to achieve than class.

>that poverty beard

>Advocating for forced removal or genocide
confirmed shill

Its only unfeasible if you give a shit about their individual values.

Personally my idea of a utopian society is a convergence to voluntary communes, which are only possible with maximum social trust (and therefore ethnic homogeneity). Look at the Yamagishi movement in Japan for example. So I recognize that an ethnostate must preclude a future of functional communism, since you will only naturally share things with people with whom you have some degree of shared genetic heritage.

Fuck off E-Celeb phone poster.

the holocaust
in seriousness, why is it so difficult to remove people? you can coerce people to leave by economic incentive, that incentive either being through positive feedback i.e "we pay you to leave" or through negative feedback i.e "we make it economically undesirable to you for you to stay here and thus you leave". using force is ultimately a last resort, and something that in almost all possible eventualities would not be required.

Northern ireland

He's a fucking rapist/predator. What the fuck are you expecting from him. Jesus fucking Christ.

That's the only way to win.

You will be able to do that with O'neill cylinders in the future as they will operate in a state of MAD.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder
Ethnonationalism might make space colonization more available to the working class though.

>"the holocaust"

where's the lie? there are practically no Jews left in europe

No, even if you straight up wanted to kill them all, you'd simply lack the people to do so.

Let's be realistic here, how many people want an Ethnostate? How many of those people are able to fight? How many of the people able to fight are actually willing to risk their lives for this cause?
Where would that money come from? Where would you send the people? How would you force those places to accept them? How would you organize removing them? How would you deal with the sudden lack of millions of workers? How would you deal with collapsing infrastructure when large parts of the US are suddenly barely populated?
lol

Actually helpful responses on Sup Forums thanks burgers

I'm listening to Dugin rail against modern liberalism but It's hard to shake the feeling he's a subversive anti white.

Sargon won.

Sargon made a slimy trap and Anglin fell for it.

Just like spencer made a slimy trap and sargon fell for it.
This fuck is learning and adapting. In the eyes of a normie Anglin looked worse without a doubt.

You can screech and sperg as much as you want.

i like DS but pic related is funny as fuck especially as i watch JF post hoc shit on these fools haha

How many whites would fight to the death to stop a police force from deporting nonwhites? A nation with sufficient control on the media would view them no worse than ice. This is assuming you don't wan't to change the ethnic composition incrementally with long term policy.

Yea. As soon as the mod takes such an open position against a guest it's basically default win.

>Where would the money come from?
The money currently going towards welfare and social programs.
>Where would you send the people?
Most ethnostate-oriented alt-righters recognize that the United States would have to be broken up into smaller countries based around combinations of states, and people would be paid to move as if they were moving to another state. Many people already move to another state each year, you'd just have to funnel people to the right ones and change passports.
>How would you deal with the sudden lack of millions of workers?
The economy between different US states was highly integrated while they were still autonomous colonies. The economy could continue to function the same, but residency would be restricted. It's just rearranging the people to a degree while keeping industries consistent.

>lack the people
quaint. I predict the solution will be biological as in weapon if collapse doesn't get there first. Whites are what carries the shitskin hoard the world over, when dipshit egalitarian Whites go down their pets will go with them and if someone figures out race markers, delivery mechanism and production, it's goodbye.