Should Gays be Allowed to Adopt/Surrogate?

Title pretty much sums it up - if not why not?

Particularly, is it not a violation of human rights to prevent gays from having children especially if they donate the sperm/egg themselves?

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They should be at liberty to make their own arrangements.

Tradcucks lashing out and attacking gays won't bring marriage back.

No.

The only correct answer.

muh feelings

>giving any right to fags

>should predatory gays be given full time unsupervised access to young boys?

Faggots are animals and should hang

Should mentally-ill perverts who have the tendency to be pedophiles adopt children? Only if you want to destroy our society, rabbi.

Muh (((liberty)))

No, Mental illness. come op, use your thonker

Only if it's the most traditional relationship of two spartans from the same military unit raising a child.

A y o

This is fucking vile. I wouldn't wish such an existence (that of the child) on my worst enemy.

nope, they will probably diddle a little boy and the child will be bullied at school for having two sodomites as parents

Actually on this topic, I wouldn't wish the existence of a child on my worst enemy. Been up all night with this little shit. Off to work in an hour....

No, this is disgusting and it’s destroying society. Would you like to have 2 fathers or 2 mothers? Probably not.

No

Pain in the ass when you're a little boy is not just a feeling you fucking paki nigger.

No. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder. They probably rape the kids.

Allowing this is degenerate. Gays are mentally ill.

>Should sexual deviants be Allowed to Adopt/Surrogate?
ftfy

No

>legal pedo and human trafficking in one neat package courtesy of the christian church

good thing i converted in time allah akbar

no , that's gay

No you fucking homo. It pisses me off that these faggots only take themselves into consideration on this subject, most chilren want a normal family with a mom and a dad, not a couple of unstable mentally ill homosexuals.

fuck no. take that babby away from them!

Well, Sup Forums usually says that growing up without a father figure is bad, so...

im not gay, carlos. merely asking for reasoned argumentsfrom both sides.

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hmm interesting chart...

exactly... what could be better than TWO dads according to Sup Forums logic

It's not simply "muh feelings". I've got nothing against gays but there are reasons why they shouldn't be allowed to adopt.
But first can we agree that, generally speaking, the most ideal situation for a child is with their biological parents?

Let's say both of the parents are killed in an accident. Where would the next best spot for the now orphaned child be? Most people tend to say a close biological relative would be the next best option.

biological parents > close biological relatives

Okay now let's say that all of the kid's close biological relatives are dead. Where would the next best spot be? Most people tend to say adoption by a couple from the same ethnic background.

biological parents > close biological relatives > couple from same ethnic background

It is absurd to continue beyond this point because we're talking about a scenario that will never realistically happen.

The only way a gay couple can realistically adopt a child is through governmental intervention.

think OP is a bender 2bh, probably picking poo out of his piss hole right now

It's an open secret in the gay community that the vast majority of gays are attracted to young boys, but we just conveniently ignore that shit. Yeah let them adopt children they are statistically likely to be attracted to. I don't care about gay marriage at all, but this is one of the few things that sicken me about this society.

Those gays will have more white kids than anyone in this thread

>The only way a gay couple can realistically adopt a child is through governmental intervention.

They can come to a private arrangement with a surrogate

And in 50 years they can pay a private clinic to incubate a fetus

Some people may counterargue your claim by challenging your very first assumption: the most ideal situation for a child is to be with their biological parents.

It could be argued that what is most important to a healthy upbringing is having loving parents who get along, irrespective of gender. Looking at the high divorce statistics, it seems to suggest that heterosexual couples do not, in fact, bring up a child in a healthy environment where they ultimately divorce. As such, the most important factor is not gender but environment.

Never had a gay experience in my life nor had gay feelings. Just stoking a debate. Your projections are too strong in this one.

Yet there are lots of kids that need adopting, so your reasoning is completely irrelevant.

But you could counter-argue and say that the gay community is only but a small slice of society so allowing them to adopt will not, effectively, curb the high levels of orphaning...

Furthermore, the second issue - relating to gay couples - actively reproducing via a surrogate is not addressed by your argument.

adopt, yes: there so many children in fucked up family situation it could't hurt
surrogate, fuck no.

>But first can we agree that, generally speaking, the most ideal situation for a child is with their biological parents?

Nope.

The ideal scenario is that children are raised in an environment that is not a detriment to their healthy growth from a child into an adult. Even back in a much more traditional victorian era world, children were fast given up for adoption for things like unwanted pregnancy, or where there wasn't marriage involved, or any other circumstance involving a single parent.

Statistically adopted children at or near birth do extremely well, practically no different from children to birth parents. Any other stance on this is an emotional one putting the considerations of the parents above the welfare of the child.

Typically to keep familial relations in tacts children in these circumstances often went to grandparents or close bioloigical relatives but it actually doesn't matter that much, the child doesn't know any different, that's only for the benefit of the family.

Sadly there is a lot of children who need adopting and the government has to take care of and it's significantly better that a child end up in a stable committed relationship than with even a single biological parent. It doesn't seem to matter statistically if that couple are gay or not.

Loads of men are attracted to young girls as well, the porn industry is pastered with "young", "nubile", "teen" videos and media. We recognize that while attraction can exist that people are capable of being around or raising another human being without physically doing anything untoward.

We do know that adopted kids form the same familial bonds with family members that a biological kid does, it's really no different.

Are you sure? Opinions change very quickly. I am only 30 and I remember when homosexuals were hated by everyone. There were laws against promoting homosexuality. It was a big scandal if someone was found out.

>children fucked up in the family situation
>let us make it worse

The fact that there are still kids that need adopting is due to inefficiencies in government.
The reasoning is still good.
There is zero chance of a gay couple ever being the best option for the adoption of a child.
The only reason it is even allowed is because of this nation's spineless politicians need to kowtow to whatever insane social policy the social regressives suggest.

Everyone still hates homos even homos but as we've been programmed to agree with the majority it's easy to fake popular opinion and, people will reluctantly agree in public.

>men
"Men" who look at porn.

Intentionally raising a formula baby is fucking child abuse. An infant needs its mother like you thoughtless virgin faggots could never understand. I could never raise my daughter with some man instead of her mother. My very bones cry out against such a cruel affront to nature.
Social experimentation, especially on children, is probably the strongest moral condemnation against the left generally. My great hope is that the future will condemn them for it.

No, they really shouldn’t. I have a gay cousin who is now married (to a dude) both seem like extremely respectable people on the outside, in fact, one is a TV producer and you’ve seen his shows (not a Jew). But get them in private and they are completely different people. You would not want them around a child.

>nature

Next you'll tell me that space isn't real and transhumanism is evil.

I worked for a private adoption agency for a spell in college. Gays need to be allowed to adopt.
>Foster homes are usually run by homos anyway
>Group homes are expensive shit for the state
>There aren't enough homes
>They adopt the 10,000 black kids we got a month
>They adopt a bunch of kids since they have a complex about not being able to have kids of their own.
Yeah gays should be able to adopt.

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>Should Gays be Allowed
No.

The likelihood of a child being sexually abused is ordersnof magnitude higher when non-related men live in the house. This is literally how homosexuals reproduce. The majority of homosexuals were abused by another homosexual at an early age.

1. A non-negligible number of respondents were miscounted as having been raised in LM or GF households. The sources of these potential errors—which we estimate to exceed one-third of Regnerus’s subsample of LM and GF—were the inclusion of individuals whose highly implausible responses to other questions call all of their responses into doubt, individuals who reported living in these households for a very short period of time, and individuals whose responses in the calendar data were incompatible with the original categorization of being raised in a LM of GF household.

2. A number of other methodological and modeling decisions made by Regnerus—decisions that have plausible alternatives that at minimum should be checked to assess the robustness of the patterns—appear to artificially inflate the differences between LM/GF and IBF households.

3. Once corrections to these potential coding errors and alternatives to these methodological choices are made, the putative disadvantage in the outcome profile of respondents from same-sex parent families (both single-parent LM and GF house- holds and two-parent LM and GF households) decreases dramatically—with some of the remaining differences not ‘‘sub- optimal’’ (e.g., whether or not the respondent identifies as entirely heterosexual and the number of other-sex partners) or a function of one or two influential cases.

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Genetically dysfunct freak

Fuck no
>hey.. billy, so you like girls or guys
>billy: idk I’m retarded
>ah yes so you’re gay, and from my assumption I will raise you as gay.

Completely bullshit and you know it.

Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?

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These same people look at pictures of happy national socialist families enjoying a nice social gathering and think, how could they face the world with such flippancy and joy while they committed such awful deeds.
I hope history looks at the photo you posted the same way.

There was one pic floating around in threads like these, where this little boy was lying on top of some guy kissing him on the beach. Both of them in swimming shorts and the guy putting his hands down the kids underpants.

If thats how they "raise" kids they should be nowhere near one

You wre defective and need help.

Are you sure you want to talk about gay statistics?

Since gays can’t have kids you are promoting adoption of orphans which promotes orphanages and abandonment of children.

Promoting gay rifts to raise children is like promoting firemen to use a blue fire truck instead of a red one to put out fires better. You’re literally tackling the problem from the wrong angle.

It is a violation of human rights to subject a child to be parented by two mentally ill people.

OP here... This is also my stance but happy to hear about others' opinions

Absolutely not. If an infant/child is sexually abused by a foster parent, the likelihood is somewhere around 30% that the parent is gay. So 2% of gay foster parents commit 30% of child molestation.

I support the right of men to use surrogacy services, whether they're gay or not is secondary.

There's no good reason why a millionaire gay shouldn't be allowed to have biological offspring.

Yes, gays are absolutely more likely to be pedophiles.

I feel sorry for the kids.

The problem with your stance is finding influential scientists that are willing to back the idea that homosexuals are mentally ill. If it happens, then your stance is a strong one.

>should the mentally ill be allowed to have power over babies/children?
You sound retarded, please don't procreate.

You got nuked... twice.

Can I have some charts/statistics from those of you saying gays are more likely to be pedophiles/mentally ill/dysfunctional etc. to support your claims please?

Otherwise, it's mere conjecture.

Yes, but only black children

Sup Forums also promotes heteronormative family unit so please keep your own logical fallacies to yourself

Them being raging faggots and having buttsex with each other is proof enough they are mentally-ill perverts. Also look at their gay prides where they publicly present themselves in the most degenerate way. These kind of people should defintely not be around children.

Down the slippery slope we continue.
Kiddie diddlers to be granted adoption rights in your lifetime.

>look at their gay prides where they publicly present themselves in the most degenerate way.
I agree with this but many gays also condemn these actions... many are just professionals who you don't even know are gay... should they also be denied the right to adopt?

kek... probably end up better of tbf

Fuck yes they should be denied.
Nigger crime rate tier stuff.

Absolutely not.

And the evidence for this?

Just because male homosexuals are more promiscuous doesn't make them any more predatory. Promiscuity is higher because they lack the risk of pregnancy that has given women an evoutionary trait to be picky with selecting males.

In hetro relationships women are the bottleneck is sexual intercourse and with gays there's no such bottleneck.

That doesn't broadly translate into increase predatory behavior or pedophilia, there's no credible science to back that. That's just an emotional response, keep in mind that emotional "things that make me feel better" type thinking is fundamentally blue pill behavior.

Faggots go back in the closet now.

Shutup you pedophile STD ridden faggot.

this is utter hogwash buddy... gays are more slutty because they are still guys... and guys are always horny...

I’d want a father, not two faggots

How are you this retarded, the percentages are right there.

>Sexual abuse
>29.7%, 34.9%, 14.8%

Really makes you think.

People hated gays because they were fed propaganda to hate them in addition to all the real reasons to hate them. People are more educated now and there is evidence that less educated people are the most "homophobic." Makes sense when you consider the fact that most of the black community hates gays. Gay culture is absolute AIDS (literally), but it isn't representative of all homosexuals.

No, faggots should be gassed.

Poor gay people don't adopt kids lol. No poor people adopt kids, I don't see how this will make their situation worse. Yeah, might be made fun of in school for having 2 dads, but that beats being beat and starved.

fags get the bullet

Faggotry was born in Greece m8

Time to die then.

No.

kek

>DailyMail Article
Fuck out of here, Giseppe

Only the opposite gender. Gay men must only ever adopt little girls, and lesbians must die because they'll still warp a little boy beyond repair.

I'm sure unbridled sexuality has never led to anything worth being concerned over.

We have the stats to show they are more predatory, but the train doesn't stop there. Gay men are shown to be disease-carrying, promiscious, and prone to suicide. Lesbians are extraordinarly more violent than their heterosexual counterparts. Both were labelled as mental illnesses by the APA until homosexuals used liberal outrage as a cudgel and shouted their way into normality.

I am sure all this just screams "parent material" to you.

No, they shouldn't.

no

Find out the faggot