Fate/Apocrypha:

Episode 5

Sieg sucks

No one gives a shit about him aside from OP.

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>sumanai-kun

Apocrypha is worse than Deen FS/N

Fate

The cutest

nice bait

Sieg is the best!

>Having a common opinion is bait
Fuck off Astolfo

Why people like Shirou but hate Sieg???

same reason why people like Kirino but hate Sagiri

Sieg's existence is due to Siegfried's sacrifice, and Siegfried was actually pretty cool for the 5 pages he was in the LN. Shirou's existence as an MC didn't require any other characters to die for him.

The only Servant that died to power up or save Shirou was Archer, and that happened after two routes with him, one of which was devoted entirely to exploring who he was and why he was that way.

Siegfried gets barely any time to develop the potential he had before he's killed off to save Sieg, and then not long after Fran dies also to save and power up Sieg.

Sumanai

Why didn't Jeanne user one her CS to order Karna to commit sudoku?

Soul>mind>shit>body

She was going to order him to stop in the LN, but her Revelation skill said he'd be too fast for her to do that.

Best boy

>Sieg becomes the MC
>episode is absolute garbage

Sasuga

DEEN FS/N is fantastic so a lot of stuff is worse than it.

Jesus christ Jannu a cute.

Shirou's harem has a 4 waifushits

like how Kiritsugu saved and devoted the rest of his life to raising a random kid he never interacted with before.

Route that isn't just Nero/Caster sucking the MC's dick>*

He only gets with one each route secondary

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FASTER!

>Fran dies
thos is no fault of Sieg, you secondary reddit

At least with Kiritsugu we got an entire prequel series that went into his initial motivations, deconstructed them, and had Shirou become the only good thing he managed to salvage from the whole ordeal. Siegfried barely lasted 1 volume of the LN and 4 episodes of the anime.

At this rate you're the who's baiting by having Sieg on the OP to piss off Sup Forums thus have guaranteed replies to your shitty generals.

>like Sagiri but hate Kirino
ftfy m8

It's not Sieg's fault but he still somehow got the most benefit from it due to being the MC.

They should just cancel Apoc and make a Camelot SoL anime

This shit is more retarded than a 15 years old genderfluid fanfic

because at least Shirou's autism to swords is funny?

In story, no. But look at what happens after she dies. Sieg absorbs her lightning which pretty much brings him back to life again after he got the shit kicked out of him, it jumpstarts his ability to transform into Siegfried, and in volume 5 he learns how to use her Galvanism skill and Blasted Tree NP.

It's clearly that speaking in terms of the overall narrative, she was killed off to give Sieg more power.

Cool argument bro.

Does that mean King Arthur was raped by his brother who gave birth to their son?

just ignore them, its just a small group of dedicated haters from mal and reddit posting the same shit in each thread.

It just means that Morgaine raped Arhur.
Or, Morgan le Fay is a guy indeed, but Merlin gave him a magical pussy.

Counter force son, he was guided to absorb fran's power.

Look at that face! Someone is gonna fuck tonight!

Is Lady Lancelot still fucking Arthur's wife or is she going straight for the king?

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Shirou has Archer going for him.

It's his number 1 charm point.

>we're about to destroy all creation
>but lets try to negotiate with other party, maybe they just give up.
>we are about to destroy all life in galactic
>but lets try ton negotiate so they give up and there is less bloodshed.
What the fuck.

Wait, the Redman was Shirou!?

It's clearly that speaking in terms of the overall narrative, illya was killed off to give Shirou more development

Then why didn't he just go absorb Jeanne's power? Would have saved a lot of trouble.

Lancelot fucks Arthur's wife and Arthur takes revenge by fucking his daughter.

That doesn't matter at all. Higashide used her death to power up his MC. That's all there is to it.

Don't believe that user's lies.

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Why wouldn't Arthur just join in? A 3some with 2 hot girls one being his wife and the other being one of the greatest swords(wo)man of his kingdom.

Then who is the Redman???

Smug

If Arthur wasn't autistic, then he wouldn't fuck everything.

Kiritsugu wasn't a focus at any point during Fate Stay Night.

In Fate Zero he was the focus and wasn't sidelined by Shirou.

Imagine if after the 4th Episode of Fate Zero Kiritsugu decides to give all of his magical abilities to Shirou and leave it up to him.

Jeanne Alter
Don't tell anyone

The spiritual embodiment of Sup Forums.

Asseylum's clone

He is Marik Ishtar who converted to Catholicism and started a new life with a new name and identity.

Straight for the King since he knows they have different genders this time.

Cao Cao

It's Shirou!

Man this anime is trash

>lying in the internet
why?

What is that bell for?

>Prototype Fragments
>El Melloi Case Files
>Strange Fake

Which would you replace Apocrypha with?

Because that's not how Counter Force works.
If it could do that, it might as well just give you the power to istantly destroy the threat.
But that power up is justified, so I don't see the problem.

Strange Fake to be followed by Case Files since I'm done with any servant shit after SF.

Strange Fake with more episodes.

Strange Fake for Grand Saber.

>Prototype Fragments
fujo garbage.
>El Melloi Case Files
Autistic grumpy waver adventures? No tnx
>Strange Fake
Has Black death, Gilgamesh, Enkidu, Best jack, and Best Herc so this.

I still don't understand how it jumpstarted Sieg. It was literally limiters released and a CS-boosted lightning strike. Forget reviving him, wouldn't that just vaporize his dead body?

That's because you are looking at it the other way. You're thinking that it's fine if there is an in-story explanation. Everyone who hates Sieg is thinking it doesn't matter because the story is shit as a result.

This is written fiction, not physics. Everything happens because the writer wanted so.

I really hope Narita delivers and make Richard's Ayaka to be Manaka. There's no point of holding back now since SF already has a lot strange bullshit and is getting set up to be a clusterfuck.

If something is justified, you can hate it all you want, but can't call it an asspull.
If people hate Sieg mainly cause they read on Sup Forums that he's shit it's not my business.

I have a question Sup Forums. I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the VN that Avalon is the only noble phantasm that Shirou can almost reproduce perfectly because it was embedded in his body for so long. So surely that must also apply to Archer, even if it is no longer physically with him why doesn't he just project it when he's injured like at the beginning of the fate route?

Then how does Counter Force work? he was guided to absorb Frans power but not Jeanne? What's the difference?

Justifying something in-universe doesn't excuse something from being narrative stupid. It's why, to this day, people get assblasted that Shirou beats Gil in UBW.

Difference being that Fran was dead.

Case Files.

Strange Fake is not going to be finished for another decade at least so that's out, and Fragments is just fujo trash. Meanwhile, Case Files features an already popular character and can be used to let Fate animation projects gain more traction. It also has Flat so you can use it to lead into Strange Fake.

Because it's useless without a connection to his waifu

Archer forgot how it looks like

Same reason Sieg doesn't begin to reject Siegfried's heart and it doesn't start trying to take him over Shirou with Archer's arm style as soon as Sieg develops past the blank slate of a homunculus. The rules are bent to make Sieg better and more important.

That's their own problem.
If something is justified and makes sense inside the narrative, you not liking it is just your own problem.

poor astolfo

>Protoype
>Fujo
Even Zero and Strange Fake is more fujo than Prototype.

But Shirou beating Gil is the opposite case, it makes narrative sense but the in-universe explanation is weak.

Cause Sieg is the MC and he's a Saber now and Saber's are better much unstoppable.

Oh, no. It's totally still an asspull. Just because you explain how you pulled shit out of your doesn't mean you didn't pull it out of your ass.

That's fucking rude.
Jannu a shit!

Trio garbage

The Avalon he gave Saber was a unique projection that basically removed the one that was embedded within himself. Archer did the same thing in his original route, so he lost that capability.

>An Asspull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on.

It's not an asspull, you're just retarded.

Remake