Which side was red-pilled and why?

I personally chose the New California Republic, they are the only ones that can maintain a certain order as well as economic prosperity

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Mr. House's

He is selfish and he uses you as a tool

Independant farmers and trade died in the NCR lad
The Legion is a traders dream, no raiders and no Crimson Caravan cut
Also >corrupted presidential dictatorship
>maintaining order
Nigga the Legion IS ORDER

>order
>will literally fall apart within a generation after Caesar dies
>he's got brain cancer
>Legion would be unable to maintain a state once they ran out of lands to conquer

>NCR
Corrupt oligarchy repeating the mistakes of the old world, destined for collapse
>House
RIchfag sitting in his ivory tower allowing everything but Vegas to collapse just to maximize his own profits. More like (((House)))
>Legion
Order and peace at any cost. Redpilled about human nature. Heavy punishment for bandits and other criminals, causing crime to be practically extinct from their territory.
The choice is obvious desu

>virgin nations vs chad independence

The legion is the real dictatorship, no drugs allowed, no prostitution?
those are the few things that can keep men busy without much violence
The NCR is the real choice, they
respect private property and individual rights, the legion is a pseudo fascism / religious

>being a pawn for the (((house)))
The games lore even enourgres you to kill him, House literally has enemies all around him, Benny, NCR, Legion. House is not going to survive because he is too good a t making enemies, including the player.

Thats the point

NCR just repeats the same mistakes over and over. Legion is okay but house is by far the best choice.

>Inb4 go independent

His goal is still to improve humanity.

Yes man is the true way

Ingame lore states that caesar’s death will unlikely break the legion. Go kill him and you’ll see.

This is just my opinion but he just care bout his profits and New Vegas, If he really cares about people he could help people from freeside, and he dosnt.
NCR does, you can see it in many missions, And i dont support the morals of the legion, so the ncr is the best choice in my opinjion

NCR is shit. Doomed to fall apart due to infighting, bad communication, typical bureaucratic shit. House is far more viable.

>Muh rights to sexbots and jet.

>ncr troops provide free assistance to impoverished mojave residents.
what is a hearts and minds campaign, alex?

The strip is very new ingame so it’s no wonder that he hasn’t spread yet. Especially so when that would result in a conflict with the NCR. The postgame slides show that if you side with him he will bring order to the wasteland. Further what use does a mummy have for money?

exactly. I prefer keep peace by drugs, sexbots/whores
I prefer to maintain a peace based on individual rights that can maintain a free trade of either sex, weapons or drugs than a personalist dictatorship based on fear

Primitivism is self defeating however.

>NCR
Corrupt, full of raiders and gangs, not enough soldiers to hold theyre shit together
>Mr.House
Literally EVERYONE wants to kill him, including the player.
>Legion
Gonna fall apart when Ceasar dies, underequipped, ceasar has a tumor in his brain.

>Gets shot by a viper
>Atleast I still have my constitution

I’ve yet to hear a good justification for muh freedums.

You can remove caesar’s tumor.

>respect private ownership
>regulate trade and tax everything
>litteraly take your land and give it to the biggest farm owner
>only NCR citizens can get ration, freeside is left to rott
>will cut of your water if you dont pay
>take over a powerplant that operated for free, install a retard as the operator and moderate the power output, only the casinos get electricity (freeside gets none)
Play the game again and finish the legion/boomers/kings questlines

That wont help. He is still not immortal.

Legate lanius becomes the leader is caesar dies and he (if you win the battle at hoover dam) makes plans to conquer all of nevada, colorado and california
With New Vegas in their hands the Legion gets their Rome

can we just take a moment to appreciate that this game is fucking phenomenal even after 7.5 years?

Good writing cant get outdated
Gameplay is still pretty good and there are mods if the graphich bother you
A true evergreen

Roma victrix!
Roma eterna!

>to imporve humanity
>only want Kimball alive to make more profit
>wants the Dams energy going directly to him because its good for business while the NCR literally want to give the energy to the people

>Tfw the wasteland is comfier than rl.

Are there any good overhaul mods for FO:1&2?

>NCR
(((NCR)))
>Legion
(((Legion)))
>Mr. House
Mr. (((House)))

Enclave in Fallout 2 is the redpilled faction

true

I cant wait for the Fallout 4 new vegas remake

THATS THE POINT OF THE LEGION HE WILL REFORM IT WHEN HE HAS WON AND TAKEN HOOVER DAM AND NEW VAGUS

you only get everything you could possibly want in life out of it you know

Do you think Legion will decrease the violence to 0?

Thats imposible, at least with ncr i will keep some rights

Caesar isn't dictator, he is proconsul.

There's a democracy with the seven tribes.

Legion
Literally kills degenerates

>Literally the current US gov + inbreeding

Like what? NCR is waging demographic warfare on the Mohave.

With house you get rights AND the protection of his bots.

Mr. House is an old world legend who was properly educated and has been alive for centuries now I'm gonna go for guard dogging the immortal ruler who saved Vegas and not these LARPers

House will past away at some point, thats a kind of absolutims monarchy,
Who can assure you that after mr. house who will replace him will be able to govern in a good way like he didt? you do not know, at least with the ncr you can choose

>House will pass away at some point

Ahaha no. We as the player would be dead first in any case.

Mr House will die soon or later

>not picking Yes man
>licking someone's boot as the most powerful warrior in the Mojave

The NCR is a redo of a system that is responsible for holocausting the planet with nukes. Even in their young age as a nation they manage to have corrupt politicians, power struggles, ignorant decisions made by elected leaders that affect everything negatively. They waste money, employ poor resourcing tactics, and generally exist as a bully state that forces everyone in it’s sight to give it a percent of their lunch money for “protection” that just isn’t adequate enough to withold any type of real threat. If left to grow they will literally turn the world back into the old world and have it get obliterated again in a span of what I give about 300 years. Fuck the NCR.

Mr. House is redpilled in the same way Vader working for Palpatine is. The game lore makes it clear that the player character is by definition a wanderer and would doubtably stay in the mojave for a very long period of time, removing house and making new vegas independent while you watch over is a poor choice as it just begs for economic and living condition stagnation. Mr. House is the man who is smart and experianced and driven enough to actually take man to space and build among the cosmos. This being his driving factor alone is enough of a redpill to side with him, but there’s more, he is in an imobile state with his mind literally connected into the Lucky 38 mainframe where he cannot survive without the aid of his machinery yet also seemingly immortal because of this. He is in other words, the perfect candidate for an absolute monarch. He cannot be bribed or molded by pleasures of the flesh. His world, his game, his life, is New Vegas, and if left unimpeded he will bring it to the future humanity got cheated out of, and more.

I would rather the world have an absolute eternal monarch that has creepy robo wives than a group of incompetent politicians who engage in all of societies forbidden fruits while they fuck over the population on a daily basis.

House is redpilled.

THE LEGION, CAESARS LEGION

PROFLIGATES

Nobody in Vegas shared his vision. They're just a bunch of retarded barbarians. Bringing those apes into the future is a pipe dream.

Now, with Yes Man, he can calculate that the degenerates are causing trouble and need to be holocausted. His killer robots won't make any kinds of """deals""" with the criminal clans.

As i said i´m not sure that Mr. House is inmortal but ok lets accept he is the best option rather the rest.
If its inmortal or not accidents
can happen and eventually he could die at some point of time.
As I said an absolute monarchy can be good as long as there is a competent person who knows how to run a nation, but what will happen when he is gone?
And what if the person who will be chosen by the mr house is a complete uselss person. You just have to see the history of many European countries with absolute monarchies, sometimes those countries have worked well but other times, due to bad management, they have not worked well. Just look at the history of the Kingdom of Spain

>la criatura
>le 56% meme

I can’t tell you what kind of a system will come after house, but I can tell that it will be very efficient as Mr house has plenty of experience organising things and he’s very intelligient.

The legion is by far the best choice for where the wasteland is at the moment. The legion and caesar is actually concerned with not repeating the mistakes the caused the wasteland to exist in the first place. Emulating a the pre-war government and bringing back all the weakness's of said government is utterly insane.

To understand why the legion is the right choice, you have to actually play through the legion quest line, ever last little bit, and exhaust all the dialogue from the NPC's there, and then also find several NPC's that have actually been to Legion territory and actually vouch for how improved it's become since being gobbled up by the legion.

Who can assure you that some kind of dementia will not happen to mr house?
that's why I hate personal dictatorships. I think that people should have the right to take out their rulers out of power

True but you are assuming Mr. Houses resources will remain the same forever, remember we are dealing with immortality here, House only plays the long game. In 100 years Mr. house would find a way to create a perfect genetic human stock, and be able to reproduce that and raise it in a controlled environment where he could be raising people to be anything he needed them to be.

Whereas Caesar has limitless candidates in his territory for grooming into the next Caesar.

That sounds horrifically dystopian and wrong.

You can´t just assume that. You dont know that´s going to hapen.
In world like the Wasteland you have to think in a mid-short future time, there is many menaces like hunger, bandits, radiation etc..

He’s practically an ai now. Whatever happens it’s still preferable to ncr or the legion. Also he likely has a backup plan just in case.

Yes but even the highest of kings in Europe did not have the lifespan of Mr. House. He is more experienced by over a lifetime than the wisest of histories great kings. I beleive this age of Mr. House makes him more qualified to choose a successor than anyone and I trust his judgement but the idea that he will eventually die is still not solid. His machinery would without a doubt change over time, it’s been proven in way more than one way in the fallout universe to become completely immortal. House would without a doubt be constantly upgrading his life support, and would likely eventually remove his brain. I think the idea that he eventually going to die is flawed and it should be deduced that Mr. House is destined to become omniscient.

A very well paid tool.

If you want an omelette you gotta break some eggs. The world got nuked. It’s way better than being raised in a radioactive wasteland.

The institute has all of that and more. Tbh I feel like said faction completely broke the lore so I just ignore FO:4 because of that. Good post btw.

Ok let´s assume he is going to live forever and he will not die.

Would you really support a person who is almost a god?
As I said before, this person could suffer from any type of dementia in the future, ok, let´s suppose that he will never have it. Who assures you 100% that you will not become a despot? That´s something you do not know, despite not being the best options the NCR and the legion would prefer them over mr. house as they are most "human" choice

>you can’t just assume that
And you can’t just assume House is going to die eventually because your mind can’t seem to grasp the difference in our world to the fallout world. Do you even know what a stimpak is? It’s a fucking shot of stem cell. In a universe like this it is safe to assume things like dementia and cellular aging could likely be purchased for the right amount of money. Something Mr. House could afford.

>Would you really support a person who is almost a god?
>As I said before, this person could suffer from any type of dementia in the future, ok, let´s suppose that he will never have it. Who assures you 100% that you will not become a despot? That´s something you do not know, despite not being the best options the NCR and the legion would prefer them over mr. house as they are most "human" choice
Read what i have just posted above

Pretty sure stimpak is mostly adrenalin and morphene. Will have to check that.

fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Stimpak_(Fallout_4)

>This item consists of a syringe for containing and delivering the medication and a gauge for measuring the status of the stimpak's contents. When injected, it provides fast healing of injuries.

out of those two, Caesar

only real choice is House or Yes Man with certain assumptions about the Courier's nature

??? That doesn’t specify its contents.

>fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Stimpak_(Fallout_4)
my bad
this is the composition
compon. of
Antibiotics
Psycho
Refreshing beverage

Fuck the Jew California Republic, Caesar's Larpers, and Mr. Housshole
Yes Man's the only way to go
also

>literally cannot interact with the world
>almost a god

But seriously I would rather Mr House over the NCR any day. I really would. He is the one that is going to bring humanity to the top of its game. He does not make people live horrible lives with all his power, he lets people gamble their life away by choice, he does not impose taxes, and he is not bound to the desires and pleasures of this world. He is on a completely different level of thinking. He is the ONLY choice that actually has a chance of delivering it’s promises.

Hmmmm. In NV it can be crafted from plants. Probably some antibiotics + opioids then.

Yes man.

Mr house also has the benefit that you can kill him any day you want.

>Anarchism is redpilled

Begone leaf

Independent while incorporating ideas from various other factions.Setting yourself up as dictator is literally the only viable long term choice.

Yea but it’s non-addictive.

He can interact with the world AFTER you use the platinum coin with his robots Dont you remember?

A huge oversight come think of it. Then again med-x is supposed to be morphine.

Agreed Armstrong.

Lore implies player character is a wanderer and will not stick around after the events of NV and the mojave will devolve to anarchy.

Thats why I’ve concluded it’s stem cells. I think the only reason they aren’t called stempacks is probably because it would piss off christians and make them not buy the game.

>Setting yourself up as dictator is literally the only viable long term choice

But that's not an option

Also, it heals bones instantly, and can heal gunshot wounds to the head, if that’s not stem cells, I dont know what is.

We can confidently rule out stemcells because you can’t make human stem cells out of plants. Obviously your original point still stands.

You’re not playing on hc mode then.

We are forgetting this is just a game at the end.
It does not respect the physics laws

I’ll be off for an hour.

Yea but not really. Like he can have his robots do stuff for him but he can’t touch a womens face or hair, he can’t give up an empire for some bimbo, he can’t traffick children for sexual gratification, he can’t taste food and lush in the wealth he has. He can only focus on the world around him, which makes him a good candidate to rule. He might even barely interact with the world for now, but he sure will set a foundation for a civilized humanity. His ends justify his means in this case.

this
only anarchy if you're a weak ruler. enlightened monarch is the way to go.

I am, but i was using it as an example because it does in 3 and 4.

I see you're a fellow Caesarfag too then

NEW VEGAS IS MY FAVORITE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

the courier does not want to rule and will not stick around. And if thats the type of rule you want for NV than you might as well have had House do it. The results would be better.

That will never happen.

The Legion. Everyone else are degenerates belonging on the cross.