I've always been pretty neutral on the vaccine question, but I am naturally skeptical of the government and big pharma. The thing is that these liberals treat vaccination like a religious cult and get offended and mad if you don't agree with them and gobble up the pharma propaganda. The fact these people are so hostile, combined with the fact every liberal outlet pushes vaccines makes me naturally believe there's something wrong with them. Can I get some redpills on the VQ?
Get vaccinations you fucking idiot. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Isaac Barnes
Why do you care? As long as you have your own vaccination it doesn't matter what I do
Andrew Cox
Because vaccines have huge positive externalities. By getting vaccinated you do not just protect yourself from the disease, but also everyone you come into contact with.
Landon Jenkins
But as long as those people are vaccinated I am only a threat to fellow non vaccinated people
Asher Johnson
I'm not an anti-vaccine person but it is disturbing how much leftists get triggered over people not vaccinated.
Michael Morris
Yes. So the less non-vaccinated people there are, the less of a threat you (and anyone who isn't vaccinated) will be.
Grayson Williams
Why do you care? If you're vaccinated you're safe. #mybodymychoice
Kayden Thomas
As long as I get to steal, murder, or commit crime, nobody else will. See also: functional society
Cooper Davis
some people can't get vaccinated vecause of medical conditions. Do you want to kill them user?
Bentley Lee
>get vaccine >get sick none-the-less
That' s your answer right there.
Logan Cox
As the number of non-vaccinated people increase, so does the likelihood of a preventable epidemic causing general economic disruption and human distress. Also, there is the theory of altruism, whereby a person cares not only for his own well-being but also the well-being of others.
Liam Roberts
Group immunity.
Ryan Green
what is with the 1 1/2" needle for a childs arm?
Chase Jones
As long as I can steal from people who also agree stealing is okay*
Alexander Robinson
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Grayson Howard
Looks like it was already on its way out regardless of the vaccine
Parker Rivera
>Can I get some redpills on the VQ? vaccines are just placebos; you're basically giving drug companies free money
Landon Hill
You'll need to provide evidence from empirical statistical analysis to prove your statements are correct and not just shit you've pulled out of your ass
James Morgan
Hey OP, I don't really give a fuck if you decide not to vaccinate, but please don't procreate and make babies because I don't want retards to pass on your genes in this world.
Oliver Jackson
Except it can come back, its dieing out because it can't infect anybody, one person gets infected, and that means it will add another decade to its life span
Get vaccinated, and when it dies completely guess what, you won't need them anymore then
Cameron Sanchez
Yes, because by 1900 people understood how disease vectors spread and therefore how to best prevent the spread. A vaccine was not required because people had become conscious on how the problem propagated.
Tyler Ward
Shit i've pulled out of my ass? Look at pic related, there is your observation and empirical stastical analysis
Justin Ward
Vaccines are poison. Vaccines didn't eradicate smallpox. A better understanding of sanitation and germ theory did. We no longer see as much tetanus because we no longer have a bunch of horse shit piled up on every single street corner. You cannot even sue a vaccine maker. You have to go to a special court. lol. cuz truth fears no investigation right?
Read Dr. Mary's Monkey. It tells teh crazy story about how the first smallpox vaccines or one of em was infected with a cancer causing virus. And they gave it to millions of boomers anyway. Hahahahaha. Fuck that is great. Please die slow boomers. It is exactly what you deserve for worshipping at the altar of big pharma/big gov.
Andrew Morales
I haven't been vaccinated since I was 10yrs old. I'm 25 now. Never been really sick except one time I had sinusitus. Usually I get a cold once a year
Brody Sullivan
No, a graph isn't empirical statistical analysis. Just because measles was declining before vaccination was introduced does not mean vaccination is not effective against measles. To prove the latter statement you must use a sufficiently large sample, control and treatment groups, randomised trials etc
Jaxon Diaz
Imagine being this stupid
Vaccines prevent diseases, it does not eradicate them
Sebastian Wright
Life is risk. Which risk do you think is more dangerous? Would you rather be vaccinated (and hope that vaccine works) and potentially suffer the side effects of the vaccines or risk getting the disease?
How bad is the disease? Is it something where you are inconvenienced for a week or 2 and then you will recover or are the diseases life threatening?
I don't buy into the herd immunity thing, especially because people who get vaccines still can get the disease. If you are sick, stay home. Then you won't get others sick. Eat healthy, stay fit, wash your hands.
The fact that these vaccine companies are absolved of all liability for the damage that they can cause is worrying. Also, the vaccine schedule in the US has gotten out of control.
Carson Williams
no joke this is the scariest topic i've ever come across. i'm a new dad and i have to decide the fate for my bundle of joy. I vaccinate him and I just increased his chances of susceptibility to mental issues and allergies. Don't and go through life scared of immigrants and travel.
Of course the CDC is shady and full of it. But I can't confirm 1,000% that no vax is the way to go.
I'm gonna pump my kid full of literal shit and i'm going to ruin him. Feelsbaddad
Lucas Brooks
No one (hopefully) is arguing that ALL vaccines aren't bad. I think the issue people have is that their children are being pumped with vaccines for every illness under the sun even though there may be no reason for it. See the Flu Vaccine. Every year here in Canada the government has radio ads on every station, on tv and signs everywhere telling you to get a flu shot even though they have a 1/1000 chance of getting the right strain. I think when anti-vax people see how hard it's getting pushed by the government they (rightfully) get suspicious. The problem is they get their information for whack jobs. I have vaccines for a bunch of stuff but when I hear about "mandatory vaccinations" I'm not worried about the vaccinations, I get worried about the doors that type of legislation opens up (involuntary injection of foreign materials into the body). If people want to die let them die, if I also die because of that then well tough shit me I guess I just didn't cut it but I won't complain and interfere with peoples freedom of choice.
Mason Russell
*are
Sebastian Carter
>How bad is the disease? Is it something where you are inconvenienced for a week or 2 and then you will recover or are the diseases life threatening?
You are so fucking dumb, the reason the vaccines were created was because the diseases were so fucking bad, thousands of people died
also autism isn't a disease dumb ass, its a disorder
William Flores
My gf works at a hospital and had madatory vaccination. I of course did not get one as usual because fuck that. She gets sick with the flu anyways and of course i get from her. Both sick af for a few days with fever of 100. mine only 4 days later. So whats the point. Plus im willing to bet that many of the people that have died from the flu recently were taking tamiflu.
Mason Fisher
> forget to mention that the definition of austims if getting more and more open every year
Ethan Hughes
Andrew Wakefield is a fraud who publish a false paper because of a money laundering scheme.
Sebastian Wright
Are you fucking stupid, IN WHAT WAY did vaccines have ANY correlation with the declining numbers of deaths due to smallpax. If you look at the graph you can clearly see that the reason smallplox was eliminated was by seperate factors.
This theory can be proven by looking at countries that still have smallpox deeaths today, and they are all countries with SEVERE malnutriontion problems (Africa and asia), and since smallpox death is associated with MALNUTRTION. It is therefore safe to say that the graph clearly proves how uselss vaccines are in preventiog ANY deaths, and how NUTRITION/wealth elimenated small pox.
You have been spammed by big pharma to buy their uselss products, just like any other stupid shit you buy as a consumer these days..
Jason Martinez
Vaccines work but have side effects and should be spaced out in infants.
Isaiah Peterson
the same people that brought you terrorism, 9/11, gmo's, financial instability, endless wars, Flint water crisis, niggers and immigrants, feminism etc, etc.... bring you vaccines, but zweistein here says that not everything is a conspiracy theory so you better get your vaccines.
Gabriel Wilson
The problem with the flu is that there are thousands of different strains, a flu vaccine only protects you from a few, and changes constantly
thats because the human population is increasing, of course more people with autism will be born
Vaccines to not eliminate diseases, they prevent them from infecting you
Nicholas Thomas
>The thing is that these liberals treat vaccination like a religious cult What, no, it's them doing the anti-vaxx nonsense. Who do you think is responsible for the near-extinct disease outbreaks in California?
Nathan Nelson
The reason lefties have such a hard on for vaccinations is because the conflict perfectly aligns with their mythos of government control being the key to happiness.
That being said, they are genuinely safe (at least the kind used in the US), though less effective then most people seem to believe.
Luis Brown
>thats because the human population is increasing, of course more people with autism will be born I don't think you understand what a rate or percentage is.
Nathan Baker
To be honest I have never seen a case of a functional government program and I'd rather leave my fate to nature
Jordan Murphy
Blood magic. Literally and actually. Taint the blood when they're young so they and their children can never be whole.
Nolan Sanders
It's impossible to see anything clearly just by looking at a graph. With regards to measles: when vaccine was introduced measles was rampant in the poorer strata of society, but afterwards mortality by measles for poor people declined. With regards to third world shitholes: mortality rates fell significantly after vaccination was introduced in those countries
Oliver Stewart
No, your immune system already prevents you from you getting infected, or you might carry the virus but not see any symtoms other than a flu etc.
If your immune system is compromissed by let's say MALNUTRION, then yeah you gonna die but sine it's not a problem unlike places like africa and asia. You(and everyone living in a wealthy country) are and I repeat: INJECTING a USELESS cocktail of expensive SHIT scammed onto you by big phram and their backers like Bill Gates, as the video clearly states HE FUCKING FUNDED IT.
Hunter Peterson
Well its not because of vaccines, alot of it comes from women being much older when they get pregnant
Also autism is like adhd, its a huge umbrella that keeps getting expanded, its not actually a big issue as many people would like to believe
Lucas Collins
Yah, I have never gotten the flu shot in my adult life and I'm one of the healthiest people I know.
Liam Bailey
Cool. Makes you an ideal candidate for death in strains like the 1818 pandemic.
Cameron Russell
Yeah there a rampant outbreaks of polio and rubella here right now Dumb kraut, go lose another global conflict
Christian Perry
Illegals?
Jason Cox
autism is just low iq and social ineptness, the definition is overly broad & the things that cause it are women having kids later in life & helicopter parenting, the word autism should be abolished because a diagnosis when you're 4 years old will kill any chance you had at life bcuz people will lump you in the same category as people who need somebody to feed them
Jason Lee
Are you fucking blind you retarded sheep, THERE WAS 0 DEATHS of measles in America, NOT EVEN WITH THE POOR BEFORE they introduced the vaccine.
maybe 1 or 2 cases of some fucked up alcholic child that was misstreated and therefor died as a result of malnutrtion to the diesase.
the graph litteraly states it's 1 in a milion that die to it, so impossible to be more than 300 per year. Find me another graph then if you're so blind that you can't the read the 0.1 out of 100000 deaths.
Ian Young
You clearly have no idea of how vaccines work
They inject you with a weak version of the virus, your bodys immune system beats the virus and learns how to defeat it, so when a stronger strain comes across you, your body can beat it
Also vaccines have existed before bill gates, get your head out of your ass, only idiots thing vaccines are a scam
You walk up to any person in the middle of street, and they will tell you how stupid you are for believing some evil corporation is trying to secretly poison society
Gabriel Hernandez
autism is not low iq, albert fucking einstein had it
People need to learn that autism is not a huge isssue
Alexander Cox
This. Liberals far and beyond are the ones shrieking about how vaccines are big pharma poisons and they’re just going to live forever on cold pressed juice and probiotic vaginal yeast.
Easton Martin
There is a big difference between actual vaccines and "flu vaccines". Getting one time vaccines for actual diseases is a miracle of modern medicine. Getting a flu shot every year is paying money for population control poison.
Know the difference. t. EMS trained with RN mother.
Oliver Bell
See
Austin James
Fear mongering and the feeling of security at the price of liberty. Such a female mindset
Caleb Ramirez
>In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 4,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles. full retard
Isaiah Bennett
Between 1912 and 1916 there were 26 deaths for every 1000 cases of measles in the US
Easton Bailey
I'm a pretty firm believer that 90% of disease resistance is in diet, and the other 10% is a combination of genetics, environment and just random chance.
Jayden Williams
>its a huge umbrella that keeps getting expanded
exactly and one of the reasons for this is doctors don't want to hurt people's feelings by telling them their kid is retarded, there are too many to list but basically anybody who isnt a perfect cookie cutter child is classified as autistic these days, and they will be treated as such and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy .
Nicholas Wilson
Woke.
Caleb Gutierrez
Do you think he's actually a Swede or a Somalian larping in Malmo?
Justin Perry
I don’t know if dear mongering is quite the right word for it, because I’m not super invested in the types of people who refuse to be vaccinated dying from diseases that vaccines are readily available for. If anything it makes me more smug about my own choices.
Kayden Cruz
definitely a swedecuck
John Green
>autism is not low iq, albert fucking einstein had it
a 'quirky' personality doesn't make you autistic, but it's pointless to talk about because the word cant even be defined anymore
Jason Miller
You can believe anything you want, but don't mistake believe for proof, which requires somewhat more work
Jose Martinez
Yeah vaccines WORK the problem is that YOU DON'T FUCKING NEED THEM as I explained in my other post you're not going to get "a stronger strain" if you are a HEALTHY individual that virus posses no more threat to you then the FLU or a COLD.
they are scamming YOU by selling you something that WORKS but YOU DON'T NEED.
and holy shit , just because they where invented before the RICHEST PERSON TO HAVE EVER EXIST was born, HE CAN'T MAKE MONEY OUT OF IT???? You're the one not seeing yourself getting scammed by the snake oil salesman my friend, becuse you belive his lies spread by his "companion" onlookers to give the impression he is right.
"some evil corporation is trying to secretly poison society" ohh yeah because COPERATIONS WOULD NEVER DO THAT
except they do all the time, and they do it a lot more in poorer countries where people are too weak and educated to realise what's happening. just like hmmmm, vaccines??
Gavin Kelly
Autism isnt even close to real retardation like down syndrome
There are millions of successful and productive people with autism in society
Autism alone is not the sole reason for any dregs, but from multiple factors that greatly vary
Liam King
>Getting one time vaccines for actual diseases is a miracle of modern medicine. Getting a flu shot every year is paying money for population control poison. This makes a tremendous amount of sense. In order to maximize annual profits you have to MARKET the shit out a the product. The marketing campaign is to the point where people feel physically threatened and pressured to obtain the shot. Its just a racket.
David Brooks
Why not just use natural ways to ward off disease? Apple cider vinegar, sauerkraut, etc. Much better alternatives to (((vaccines))).
Ayden Jenkins
& i'm not saying everybody with autism is slow i'm just saying slow people are diagnosed with autism rather than mental retardation. even hearing the word autism makes me sick quite frankly
Connor Williams
Thats not true, the swine flu pandemic a couple years ago actually is super effective on people who are healthy, it causes the immune system to overreact which causes it to kill its own body
There are plenty of viruses that work like this
Justin Davis
ARe you fucking retarded, look at the chart, and read my post.
In 1912 america was a poor rural country with people STARVNING and getting by nothing but POTATOES, so naturally people died like flies, from ANY diease.
i agree, i would wager that people who do suffer from mental retardation probably do have autism
Mason Perez
It's a generalization but I mean at what level of specificity do you draw the line? Testing the individual chemicals in those specific foods vs the specific strain of bacterium?
Angel Ross
Vaccines don’t cause autism, Television, Vidya, and Day Care cause autism.
Ayden Russell
Your correct, but disease can be preventable, and vaccines are a way of preventing it
Its not a scam like you seem to believe
I worry about you, because you truly do not understand how they work, they are not poison you seem to think they are
Aiden Gutierrez
>harmful chemicals are minuscule compared to daily consumption. I wonder how much aborted fetal tissue was in my lunch?
Hunter Hughes
You need to end your life seriously, you don't read what I fucking post, DO KNOW how they work, and therefore I KNOW that you don't fucking need them , because to the HEALTHY person the virus will be too weak to penetrade ur immune system ANYWAYS, so if you vaccinete, ur getting a vaccine for something that is 100 % harmless and will not kill you.
Levi Hill
>I've always been pretty neutral on the vaccine question, but I am naturally skeptical of the government and big pharma. Its a huge pseudo intellectual issue for redditors just like the metric system The truth is the although the risk of complications from vaccines is low so is the risk of the actual diseases they prevent
Josiah Richardson
No, I mean a comparison of measles mortality rates between a large group of people who have received vaccines with another large group which haven't. Usually done by recording statistical changes in mortality rate in an African shithole after the introduction of a vaccine program
Carson Torres
>Its not a scam like you seem to believe paying 1000s of dollars for something you dont need is the definition of a scam
Dylan Flores
You don't get vaccines as an adult, because you have a healthy immune system, you get them as a child because they DONT
That fetal tissue, it just like stem cells, its not some boogeyman
Austin Garcia
Those videos were funny as shit.
Nicholas Evans
Do you need police then because your never going to commit a crime right?
The entire point of it is being preventive
You have never suffered from measles or smallpox, so its easy for you to say its a scam
Isaiah Evans
Is that you Dr. Goldstein?
Lincoln Thomas
I come across the a lot of anti-vaccs people on both sides. Go to Facebook and look at anyone of the numerous pages for it. You'll find people on both sides of the political spectrum for different reasons. People on the far right because they don't like the government, people on the far left because they don't like industries.
Christopher Moore
neoliberalism > socialism anyday of the week.
Wyatt Walker
>me, my bro, my sis, my dad, my mom never got vaccinated and never EVER get sick. When my friends get the flu I laugh at their vaxing faces. I'm thankful my family has brains
Ayden Brooks
Vaccines save your stupid life, quit being a fucking faggot. If you care so much then read the literature.
Angel Campbell
smallpox is gone The odds of you getting measles if not vaccinated are extremely low even before the vaccine it was only killing a few 100 people in the country a year Giving your daughter the HPV vaccine is the definition of being a good goy
Charles Phillips
>develop germ theory of disease >spread is reduced and treatment gets better though measles still exists >develop measles vaccine >no one has measles in the US except the odd chink tourist and oregan hippies who don't vaccinate
Justin Bennett
get vaxed for some confetti strain from somewhere far away. nearly die from local strain. i'm a sick mind though i wish everyone would be vaxed for many things everyyear like everyone getting shots for almost anything constanly i orgasm on the tought.
Adrian Turner
you are seriously the DENSENT Person on this fucking thread, end yourself.
They are not a THREAT to you babies either WHICH IS WHY NO BODY DIES FROM IT INCLUDING BABIES. When you are a baby you are SUPPOSED to get all kinds of dieases and skin conditions and diarreah becuase you are BUILDING your immune system and repsonding to all the foregin invades that you get introduced to in early stages of lile.
if a baby grows up in a STERILE enviorment (aka a plastic cube, which has happend) it's immune system will be too weak when it's older so that if it leaves that sterile enviorment it WILL DIE, unlike a normal child that will build up it's immune system.
IF YOU THINK VACCINES ARE GOOD FOR YOU, YOU DO NOT UNDSTERSTAND HOW THE IMMUNE SYSTEM WORKS.
Aiden Carter
>t. Jehovah's Witness
Matthew Myers
and we all know there is no better source of truth than the normie on the street