The Nuclear Family

Is the nuclear family the best in which to raise children? Was the family situation much different in tribal settings, where humans have lived most of their time on earth?

I think people question the nuclear family in order to make gay nuclear families seem normal, but I've seen stats that show the kids raised in those families tend to have more problems than raised in straight nuclear families. So, I'm not questioning the nuclear family in order to push gay nuclear families.

I feel if I start researching this on wikipedia or elsewhere, I'm only going to find people bashing the nuclear family as some kind of white supremacist patriarchal oppressive power structure. There may be genuine criticisms of it, though. I do think the nuclear family is way better than what we have now -- basically no family.

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Better nuclear family

The wife needs longer hair, but yes, much more nuclear.

Nuclear families were a meme invented by kikes in the 1950’s to sell houses. Extended families were the norm before then.

So grandparents, parents, and kids lived together?

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Standing on the edge of the crater
Like the prophets once said
And the ashes are all cold now
No more bullets and the embers are dead
Whispers in the air tell the tales
Of the brothers gone
Desolation, devastation
What a mess we made, when it all went wrong

[...]

I'm nuclear
I'm wild
I'm breaking up inside
A heart of broken glass
Defiled
Deep inside
The abandoned child


I like to think this song it's about that even if it's about WW1 apparently

What is the family situation like in Italy? How has it changed from the past?

Yeah, and people cared themselves about their elders, so no need for special places for old people

Divorce introduced in the 70s, after that we've been pretty much like the rest of Europe.

I don't think most people I know will end up getting married

That's interesting. I don't think I ever will. I'm not a Chad, but I'm not a complete loser either. What's always made me an outsider is I like to read classic novels and watch classic films and don't like social media or TV. It's like I can't talk to anyone about anything as a result. I've tried getting into that stuff to be more normal, but it doesn't work.

I'm a pretty decent guy otherwise. Not a Chad, but not a total failure, either. I think if I had been in the past I would have been married easily.

I just watched the film A Gentle Woman by Robert Bresson, and I'm feeling depressed. I just yearn for a life where people care about each other more, but did that ever exist? I kind of hope I get that deadly strain of the flu.

Have you tried joining book clubs, user? I mean it is hard for me to believe that you can't find people who like classical literature. By classical you mean Dostoevsky and such, right ?

Dude, we are all suffering here.

Every Sup Forumsack that was not lucky enough to find a decent woman, and we're likely the majority, is suffering. Just like most men these days. The few women who think like us are probably borderline desperate too. Resist, you fucking faggot, you are not alone.

Yeah. I think book clubs would be filled with older ladies who read sisterhood of the traveling pants. That's always been my view of them.

I do know a woman at work who majored in classics, but she is married and also a raging feminist, like the kind who reports people for harassment over nothing.

Have you read that novel by Dostojevsky with a loser office worker trying hard to get back at people for perceived slights?

I can't remember the name

>Is the nuclear family the best in which to raise children?
No, the nuclear family is already a downgrade from the traditional extended family made up of multiple generations of brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, uncles etc. It is much better to have a community and to raise children with larger, healthier families.

Get married to a normie woman, who cares if she can't talk about classic lit. Anyways, you can try to get her into the same things you are interested if you really want that.

Notes from the underground?

Is it The Idiot? I haven't read that one yet, but it's on my list.

It's not that she has to be into classical literature.

It's more that everyone seems so entrenched in popular media like social media, TV, pop culture YouTube, to the point where I feel like an alien because I can't get into that stuff. I can't have a conversation with someone about the whatever the new reality TV show is.

And it's not that people only engage in this stuff a little, it's that it's their entire lives now that they are always on their smart phones.

I have read Notes from Underground. Brilliant book

I just ordered it, looking forward to it although amazon shipping times are quite long.

It's like people are filling their lives with the distraction of social media and popular culture at a level that never existed before. It's like how men are consuming so much streaming pornography. It wasn't AS bad when it was just pictures or a video you'd have to spend hours downloading (not saying it was good), but the fact that all this is at your finger tips on your phone is really bad. I think it's accelerating our decline.

I know it's bad user, but there are people out there with good interests, try to find them, but if you don't, try to help people become better. We won't fix this situation by being introverts. I know there are still good people with interests out of the ordinary because I know a few, but only one woman who really fits that description. (besides old people in academia)

I read it last summer. It's quite haunting and sad. It's a novel that will stay in my mind forever, I think -- those are the best kind. I'm currently reading Dante's Divine Comedy.

I'm not trying to act like I'm this great reader of classical literature. I'm actually really below average when it comes to reading speed, and not that great at comprehension, but I do feel deeply moved by great novels and think the challenge of reading them is worth this feeling of being moved.

This. It's like you're me. I used to actually have friends and be somewhat normal. I'm in my 30s so I grew up before all this and so did my peers... But they've all disappeared in the last 10 years because they never leave their houses and only interact via Facebook and Instagram and I don't have social media...

It's lonely. I just don't care about it, I tried but I can't get into it. When Id go visit them they're all on their phones mid conversation with me... they've got nothing interesting to talk about. It's like they've gotten dumber or what they're consuming (media) is dumber I guess.

They only invite eachother to events via Facebook so I get completely forgotten and uninvited not since I'm not on facebook... It's really fucking disheartening and lonely and isolating seeing what's become of my former friends and realising I've got no one to relate to anymore in my life.

What do we do.. ?

do you post on /lit/? You sound like you do, have you read some DeLillo?

You're probably right.

>Is the nuclear family the best in which to raise children?

No, don't believe that Ukraine is a good place to raise your children in.

>Is the nuclear family the best in which to raise children?
no. corporations should take over.
teams of young women, called 'mothers' should care for batches of children in sprawling child friendly campuses/cities/towns built specifically to care for children.
The logic here is that in the future, adults won't want to bother having families, because it is too expensive and a lot of tedious work. They'd rather have fun with the limited life they have. So corporations will take over the role of families, and produce genetically fit, smart, and well adjusted people employers need. Since their employees won't have families to take care of, the corporations can pay them less. And the corporations will do it better and smarter than the savage and primitive family units ever could.

>Is the nuclear family the best in which to raise children?
Only in Western countries in which the family is operating on one salary.
Was the family situation much different in tribal settings, where humans have lived most of their time on earth?
Very. Most H/G Groups were either monogamous with a lot of extended family support or polygynous with a lot of extended family support.

The idea of the nuclear family and only the nuclear family didn't start up until around the industrial revolution. Hell monogamous marriage didn't even really become a common thing until the Late Middle Ages until the Renaissance when the church began enforcing it. Even then extended family played a huge role in child rearing and enterprises.

I haven't posted on /lit/ but maybe I should. I think it would help me feel connected to people. I haven't actually read DeLillo. Any recommendations?

I am in my 30s as well, so I can relate. I work with college students, and one would always be starring at her phone when I'm giving her instructions. Or if we'd walk 10 feet to another room, she'd use that time to look at her phone.

I tell the students they can look at their phone or do whatever they want during breaks, but that my big real is don't look at it when I'm giving instructions. My new worker, a female, told me she would never do that and she doesn't use instagram. She's attractive. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to date students which was totally normal at one time. I'm curious to see if she'll become corrupted. I once had a female student worker for me her freshman year. Second year, her hair was chopped off and she went for the butch look. This is what college does.

I read the Divine Comedy when I was younger, didn't I wasn't well read at the time so I remember most names and references going over my head, I might give it another try in a year or two since I've learned a lot since then.

so a society based on capitalism is bad?

I actually think there's a possibility of corporations like Facebook and Apple doing something like this. I think one of them was trying to build a city in Canada. I see it like a system where you take the Facebook train to work and back to your Facebook apartment, and when you get home your Facebook refrigerator won't open, and a voice will say, "You had the wrong opinion today, so you will not be receiving your Facebook meal until you complete your sensitivity training."

But maybe that won't happen if western civilization falls.

Sounds depressing man, most traditional girls I have befriended and who enjoy literature are friends from college, but then again I have no experience with colleges outside my own city.

Nuclear family is gay and Jewish. Extended family is trad.

I've just finished White Noise and I enjoyed it, the themes of consumerism and media representation and validation are more than relevant today, although I think he's got a different take on metaphysical matters.

I'm on the other end of things, I'm a student and I've made most of my friends through student groups, because hardly anybody talks to each other in class or after.

I'm reading the Divine Comedy really really slowly and reading two commetaries at the same time. Harold Bloom recommends the John Sinclair prose translation. I started reading another translation and it didn't make sense.

Some people found on commentaries, but I need them for difficult work like this. I'm using the site Shmoop which is kind of obnoxious, but provides decent summaries.

>I once had a female student worker for me her freshman year. Second year, her hair was chopped off and she went for the butch look.

Is collage really that bad over there? I'm studying software engineering and most of my professors were red pilled in some way and none of them were regressive from what I could tell.

I'm describing a capitalist utopia, not a dystopia.

I will make note of that book. When I was in college, I had a hard time even talking to people. I just felt so lost in college, like what is the point of it. I was good at telling jokes though. That was really how I connected to people, but you can only be funny for some long.

I wonder sometimes if I'm a bit autistic, not literally, but just in that I have a hard time understanding if people are sarcastic or saying something in-between the lines. I'm probably autistic-like if I'm posting here.

Most of the students at my school are nursing majors, and a lot of them seem feminine. I work at a very small school. We don't really get all the crazy stuff you see on campus reform. I do think professors here would want that stuff, but for us there just isn't time. The professors have to spend a lot of time doing practical day to day management of departments, so there's less time for feminist basket weaving club (not a real club but you get my point).

>using wikipedia for research

That's your mistake. Wikipedia has no system of accountability. Anyone can login and edit, and it's mostly raging leftcucks and atheists who do.

Corporations are having a tough time finding talent because most people are not smart enough. I look at all the corporations in america and wonder how they will survive with the next generation being so unfit. So corporations can solve their problem by making children themselves. They're people, after all.

They do have a system. In a lot of cases in order for anything to be changed aside from grammatical mistakes a site admin has to fact check and confirm entries.

I think one problem with larger corporations is that it gets hard for them to know exactly what work is contributing to profit and what isn't. This becomes a problem when they hit hard times. I don't remember the exact stat, but a small percentage of workers do the majority of the work. Companies like Google have all these extra positions and departments and entire campuses that really don't contribute anything.

This reads like the plot of a dystopian novel senpai

It reminds me of the babies in Brave New World on the electric carpet. I think they were being shocked to think flowers (ie nature) was bad if I'm remembering correctly.

both are dangerous for society

I don't remember that, all I remember is them doing the sleep therapy and letting them play naked.

>I'm describing a capitalist utopia, not a dystopia.
>being this naive

The utopia of a man is the dystopia of another

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it's nothing like brave new world. BNW is absurd. My idea is rooted entirely in reality.

Families don't work because men are crazy, violent, and unreliable. Children need a safer and more nurturing environment, and they need to be produced more intelligently and not left up to random love 'marriage' (most marriages are unstable and end in divorce) like it is today.

The opioid epidemic, and school shootings further support my idea. Children need a safe area to live and grow away from adults who think they own them, and all the other sick adults out there that want to prey on children, or fill their heads with nonsense.

I think all utopias are dangerous. It's something else we strive for, like strength to withstand suffering. We should still want things to be better, though.

That's true. Elderly care homes are a scheme that our government use to get votes. Before, we would take care of our old people ourselves. It's all about money.

>Families don't work because men are crazy, violent, and unreliable.

That's funny because it's the exact opposite

Wouldn't the kids feel abandoned by their parents?

This is kind of getting into another topic, but this thread is very open. It seems like dating doesn't really help establish good relationships. I wonder what people did in the past. It seems like they were more put together by families.

My family takes care of the old when they get sick from cancer or have alzheimer's.

Their admins are leftists and atheists.

There's a lot going on, people generally shared a worldview and had compatible ideas of the future that involved other people. Our society is atomized, there is an entire forum dedicated to discussing this called mpcdot.com you seem like a decent and intelligent guy, I recommend to lurk over there for a while reading all the threads on sociology and such.

mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7991-the-disintegration-of-conceptual-life/

I haven’t heard of this idea, society being atomized. I will lurk on the forum. Thanks for the link.

Maybe you are crazy and violent, but do speak for yourself.
The opioid epidemic and school shootings are exclusive US problems.

>Wouldn't the kids feel abandoned by their parents?
Humans have an instinctual need for a mother and a father. So I think they would feel this way.

It's a part of the breakdown of relationships as society grows beyond human "scale". As things get too big, social bonds are unsustainable because of emotional and social overload. Think about the differences of a small town and a big city. Small towns usually have more families that remain together and attend church, as opposed to cities that are made up of immigrants and commuters. This is just a basic example, but it should get the idea across.

I’ve heard there is some number, maybe 200, and when groups get bigger than that it becomes too hard to differentiate people. You can’t know anything unique about them.

Apparently Alex Jones had his cell phone number leak, I'm calling right now

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Yeah, I haven't read a book, but there is one about that phenomena, it's been mentioned on the forum. Humans can only sustain a certain amount of relationships before it begins to breakdown.

LOL random. Tell him user says hi.

You seem like an interesting person. You’ll see me on the forum because I’ll make a reference to a Robert Bresson film at some point (maybe the devil, probably or a gentle woman). But I’ll lurk for quite some time so I can fit in.

What do you think American life will be like in 5 years, or 20 years? It’s OK if you don’t really know. I’m always thinking about this, but probably because I worry to much and should just focus on day to day, and improving myself.

Ywn have a thick house wife with big heavy knockers to breed

Life in 5 - 20 years? I don't know, I hope that it's better because of the policies Donald Trump instates, but these things are unpredictable. Advances in technology will probably further relationship breakdowns, but hopefully the economic situation will be better and the opioid epidemic will end. I hope the Republican party will be nationalist, that would be a great development. But you are right user, try building relationships in your own life, the best "escape" from the social breakdown is to have a good relationship with your friends and family, and that's not escapism, but the real world of people we live in. The best times I have are with family, they keep you rooted and sane. They keep you from being deracinated and build your identity. PS I post as Baron Finkelstein, but I don't do it much.

That seems like an optimism outlook. I tend to see gloom and doom, but maybe that's just me. Unfortunately my family was very troubled growing up, but I agree it's best to focus on family and friends if you have them.

And if you don't have them, get them. I've reconnected with a lot of family since I grew up without them for the most part and I suggest doing likewise if you have the option.

I'm actually around some of them often, but unfortunately they're really screwed up and I don't think will ever change.

That's too bad, good luck though, don't give up on them, but don't let them fuck up your life if they make it clear they won't change.

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Extended families were usually close by unlike today where people have to move around the country to avoid niggers and crashing economies.

What is that?

A chat group for homosexuals, I'd avoid it if you are actually looking for intelligent discussions that aren't a waste of time.

>TradCon Milkers

Wow! Rude! We have a lot of gay intellectuals that are VERY intelligent.

LOL I didn't expand the image to see it had been altered. I try to stay clear of homosexual environments. I think it drags men down into effeminacy, and I was an effeminate kid. I never want to go back to that.

I didn't even understand homosexuality was real until I was 12 and got the Internet. At first, I was disgusted by it and though it was immoral. Then I thought well, let people do what they want. Then I went through a liberal phase and I laughed at the slippery slope arguments that gay marriage would lead to people wanting to marry dog because my college teachers said the slippery slope was a fallacy. Then, I started reading about homosexuality without trying to have an opinion on it either way (as much as I could) and realized there are a lot of problems with it.

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Does conversion therapy work:

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HIV information:

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Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?

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Is being gay a mental illness?

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yaeh, that forum I linked has an entire thread about homos. I'd suggest getting a tough stomach before checking it out.

>those buildings

fucking abominations

Regarding conversion therapy, the therapy where the parents pay someone to snatch a kid up in the night and put them in a bible camp doesn't work, but there are gay people who stop being gay, and LGBT activists never talk about it. That was really telling to me in my research. I know of a person in my community who was a huge gay activist in the late 80s and early 90s, working toward gay marriage in a small city, and a few years ago he "came out" as straight and married a woman, and writes about the problems among gay people and says he's lucky to have gotten out alive.

I think it's ultimately a choice to live as a homosexual. Some people probably have more of an inclination or propensity, but I don't think that means they have to identify as gay and engage in the behavior. I can accept outliers, though. I'm mostly against how it's seen as bad to be a straight man now, and how everything like the boy scouts has "gone gay."

Yeah, most people think homosexuality is how it was presented on "Will and Grace."

Prove that biologically speaking, arousal preferences EVER shift fully from homosexual to heterosexual. Yes, people can LIE that they no longer experience same sex attraction or that it isn't as strong but that's just giving in to religious, family, or other outside pressure, not how they actually feel on the inside.

>a choice

it isn't a choice to be preferentially aroused by the same sex

you guys should check out "darkness at noon" if you like that.

yeah, talking about family, my own brother is a halfway homosexual. :'(

It's a choice to indulge in it.

The nuclear family doesn't work when women have the ability to abort their children or use birth control.

In order for it to work, you have to have one person at home.

Being involved in a same sex relationship harms nobody.

did you consult your anus?

I don't have studies and I'm not going to convince you. I don't really think the way we think about homosexuality, bisexuality, heterosexuality is accurate. I think homosexuality is an identity you choose, and is a more modern invention. I think you can still find men attractive, and have sexual thoughts about them, but still have sex with women and find them attractive as well.

>darkness at noon
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That's similar to a thought on that forum, where sex is not a binary between homosexual and heterosexuality, but healthy and unhealthy practices.