Don't the ideals of the provisional I.R.A and modern day real I.R.A act as proto-version of alt-right ethno-statist ideals.
>TLDR are the I.R.A not the same as the alt-right just for white people overall instead of irish ?
ITT: we discuss the difference between the two
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even the propaganda is similar
>modern IRA
You mean the lads that just sell drugs and guns?
Anyway no the comparison is not realistic. Unlike the Alt-Right, the IRA actually tried to do something about their grievances instead of just bitching about it on a chinese cartoon board.
I mean they even got most of their money through this Pan-Irish identity by getting donations from Irish Americans to fund the ethno-state.
Could this happen in the American ethno-state ?
aren't they socialists though?
but if they succeed, couldn't they be engulfed in a civil conflict worse then 'the Troubles' even if it is a small American state like Idaho.
Is this not a similar scene to the militias fighting in the middle east
Fuck that's a shitty mural
nationalist communists,though they do differ,from group but it's essentially, the idea of Ireland for the Irish only.
so sorta national-socialist if anything
at least they can keep their murals of their race for now
>genuinely thinking the provos were socialist because it says in their description that they fight for socialism
Northern Irish Catholics are overwhelmingly conservative, with changes to this only coming with the new generation who are from "catholic backgrounds" voting for SF. All the other pro SF taigs are just doing it to limit Loyalist power.
The Provisional IRA and their campaign were a response to a heightening of tensions by Loyalists in Northern Ireland, as evidenced by the 70s almost nobody in the IRA had any idea what the fuck they were fighting for long-term as people seemed to be confused whether it was "brits out" or "brits stop being such faggots" or "brits let us into politics" or "lol brits in so I can shoot them"
A better idea of an alt-right group would be the Loyalist Paramilitaries, particularly because they have to this day yet to do anything of note other than demonise their own cause and make utter and entire retards of themselves while doing absolutely 0 damage whatsoever to their enemies.
>Want to kick out white anglos cause of freedom.
>lets in tons of shitskins rapists that cause nothing but trouble and terrorise neighbourhoods.
Irish fucking logic..
A lot of them were but they were old school socialists that would be considered racist fascists for wanting a native only ethno-state where the resources of the land were shared.
I know a fair few ex-IRA lads and none of them have anytime for blacks or Muslims. They considered some Muslim or commie groups to be allies only because they shared the same enemies.
That could happen sure, but the thing is that the Alt-Right don't want to break up the USA. They want to turn the USA into an ethno-state. They won't be happy with a little chunk of land like Idaho, and rightly so.
Besides the US government will never let a state secede. It will go to war to retain a state. They estimate there are maybe 13 million Americans with full on commitment to the Alt-Right. Thats nowhere near enough to democratically make a change and no enough to make a stand against the government.
Again, as I said in genuine majority support for Sinn Fein simply does not exist. Their support in Northern Ireland is wholly because there simply is nobody else for an Irish person to bother voting for.
The second we sell that chunk of rock to the taigs the vote is going to absolutely fucking shatter with many of them likely going for FG.
the "alt-right" is the label the MSM adopted to lump anyone young and on the right into the same group. It's a media-pushed "bad guy."
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Isn't that similar to national-socialism though, it's just socialism for one ethnic group above the others.
I mean provos formed Sinn Fein or whatever it's called aren't they a sorta nationalist socialist party ?
Technically we would have achieved freedom. Just the freedom to die.
Kicking out Anglos was never part of Irish republicanism. It was about removing the powers of (Jew owned) Westminster and restoring sovereignty to the citizens of Ireland. After all the two wars that have done more to destroy Europe, Ireland wanted no part in. But then we ended up in the similarly Jew owned European Union and we're back where we started.
Plus you have to admit, Ireland dodged a bullet regarding the whole mass immigration and multiculturalism thing by leaving the UK. If we'd stayed in we would have black and paki ghettos all over the place like in Britain. Where as at least now, we've got relative small and sporadic number of Muslims and shrinking number of Africans.
I know alt-right isn't a real monolith butwhy aren't ethno-statist look at Ireland more as an example of what could happen in a white only formed ethno-state.
The troubles do not look like a good time
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Also, this. The whole nature of the Irish Rebel Cause has almost always been not to remove us from their island but rather to limit our power/increase their autonomy. It was our responses to such attempts that continually radicalised the campaign. The creation of Northern Ireland-while used often to laugh at them-is more a humiliation to us as we are the ones who have to continually foot the bill for an absolutely useless stain on the map which has done nothing but cause violence and cost untold millions just to keep afloat. Now we're basically waiting for the slow-burn toward a border poll, which is taking longer and longer as Loyalists dig their heels in further and further.
It's essentially like a cold sore that just will not fucking go away, to the point where if we could go back and exchange it for having a flu for a month we'd do it in a fucking heart beat.
so is if it isn't possible for Ireland to achieve they're pure 100% ethno-state, how can any other modern western state in the multicultural future we're in?
or is an ethno-state just a pipe dream meme
but isn't that the future for all of the united kingdoms.
inb4 Scotland becomes the next Northern Ireland and decimates you cunts because mudslimes
like how do these guys not look like nat-socs
Scotland is a fucking problem but most of us are treating it like when a relative starts showing signs of dementia; they aren't shitting in their hands and attacking us with spoons so for now we'll leave it be.
It's a dire (interesting, but dire) state of affairs but personally I think doing away with NI will be the best thing for us politically. It will cause a surge in "muh scoootlaaaand" but will also cause an even bigger surge of "fuck off, keep the union" now that many realities of Scottish Independence have been outlined.
I personally feel less and less attachment to Ireland every year, while I used to say "muh empire" and want to have it all when you really think about it the only real claim we have to it is that we used to have it and the only reason we had it is based on our loyalty to the pope, who gave us permission to go there.
We didn't get any significant resources or really anything as a reward for our centuries of shitting on celts so honestly I don't see it in the same light as falklands/gibraltar for example. Northern Ireland in particular looks like the afterbirth of a botched "treaty" seeing as the whole point of it was to stop armed conflict between Loyalists and fenians and despite this it only took a few decades for exactly that to happen.
Anyone with a head on their shoulder is saddened at a loss of territory, but also sees that cutting NI loose isn't surrendering territory but offloading freeloading retards into the unwilling arms of a very weary neighbour.
interesting, I wonder how the Irish state will go once it's united, it does seem just inevitable when you talk about the cost you've paid for it
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I wonder if the conflict will just escalate again but be nationalist vs socialists, over the remaining foreign population
why aren't ethn0-statist's flooding to Ireland anyways, you guys love white Irish nationalists
Well as I said, the votes for SF from Ulster will absolutely fucking shatter the second it happens and other parties become available. Many of the Irish from Ulster will vote likely for FG and they'll become the new-norm.
The left-wingers and actual SF supports will probably sperg out and try claim it as a Sinn Fein victory instead of a Loyalist defeat.
There is a chance of civil unrest but not of Troubles 2.0
The Loyalist paramilitaries simply do not have the capacity to stage anything more than the odd shooting/riot, even at their height during the Troubles they were absolutely fucking useless at everything even with the literal help of our armed forces.
From what I can see the most realistic future is that Ireland will slowly but surely continue to drift from centre right to centre to centre slightly left while calling itself centre right.
Ironically I think a Unified Irish State will lead to not only better relations with us but also for better representation for those wanting British Culture/heritage because it'll no longer be about shitting on the irish but about representing a minority.
But really it'll only take a generation or two for it to feel like the norm and the honest biggest difference will be people in the north using the Euro. You'd be absolutely amazed at how easy it is to forget that you've entered northern ireland, were it not for the autistic swarms of flags flying from council estates you'd just think you were in a poorer, shittier part of the Republic with less blacks but more chinks.
Nationalism and socialism are not the antithesis of each other.
yes they are socialism ruins nations
shitskins have never caused any real trouble in Ireland like they have in England. It would be interesting to see how people would respond if they did.
so Ireland's a pretty good example of an ethno-state working and getting it's land back through maintaining political pressures.
Is the North really that bad, that they seem like nigger neighbourhoods.
also could it be too late for the North socially to ever feel able to fully integrate back into Irish society or are there too many britfags
>is the north really that bad
Well, it's a dump. There isn't really much culture or identity there other than to offset the other one, aka any "british" culture only exists to offset Irish culture. You could could 11th/12th July but everyone sees them as glorified piss ups rather than unironic culture.
Loyalists do really ruin it, the taigs can be fucking abhorrent but for the most part they just kick back and shitpost meanwhile Loyalists make an absolute arse over themselves over every tiny thing, then turn to irish people and accuse them of being too sensitive.
wont some groups like the provos and real I.R.A increase there attacks against britfags especially if they don't recognise the united state
gas the loyalists for peace, also are loyalist just britfag jews who are mostly niggers that want gibme land
Are you stupid. Even assuming said premise to be true, one thing being counterproductive to the other does not necessarily make them ideologically opposed. Do you even understand what socialism and nationalism are? they aren't even really in the same category you major retard.
can britfags ever become fenians, or was it just a failed experiment creating the Ulster mixed Celtic Briton
They don't look like they give a fuck they're in Ireland and they don't look like they will leave easier then niggers
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