Gun ownership cannot stop government tyranny

You honestly think civilians can resist a government determined to oppress it?

Here's how it works. They'll show up at your workplace. Or they'll get you on your way to work, or coming back from work. Or there's going to be a knock on your door in the middle of the night. If you resist, they'll just kill you. Then they'll kill your family. So you'll go along, and if you're lucky, you'll be allowed to go home eventually. If you're lucky, it's an official visit. If you're not, well then, it's going to be men in masks and fatigues, and if they're wearing badges or patches or insignia, they'll be covered up. There will be several of them, and they'll show up out of the blue, and you won't have time to be a hero. You'll get a hood over your head.

There'll be rules and then there'll be consequences. If you know what's good for you, you'll obey the rules, and you won't be bothered. If your neighbor makes trouble, well, safest for you to rat him out, so they don't think you're involved. You'll start worrying about what you say and who you say it to. After all, anyone might rat you out. So you'll be careful.

Maybe your phone is tapped. Maybe your internet is monitored. They got programs now, all they have to do is look for key words. They have algorithms to track purchases and movements, so if you're doing anything suspicious, you could be flagged. They might have a file on you. They've got a file on everyone.

So, you're just going to be a good little boy. And you're not going to make any trouble. And everything is going to be fine.

That's how it works.

John Wayne fantasies are bullshit.

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What country's tyranny were we fighting in the rev war?

I like how anti gun shills go out of their way to explain how a disarmed population is best for everyone.

HOLD ON TO YOUR GUNS. IT IS YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWN THEM.

lets just say your delusional fantasies are correct and that everyone just gives up their weapons like a bunch of cucks. You have now created an exact turner diaries situation where the internet exists. you'll see thousand of timothy mcveighs deciding to vaporize their nearest government building.

but it won't get to that point. we've seen what happens even with the bundy standoff. people won't stand for it. if the cops try and seize people's shit all at once it'l be all over facebook and twitter within seconds and half the country will ready to open fire from their window.

See what happened in Iraq and Vietnam
People that collaborated with the government would come home and find their families dead

>what is Afghanistan

COME AND TAKE IT YOU COMMUNIST FUCK

Who said we are civilians?

>You honestly think civilians can resist a government determined to oppress it?
Do you have a history book? Did you ever wonder how the USA came to be? Did you get the new and improved "common core" history where the British just gave the states to us?

Police are pro 2A and our military is run by pregnant trannies

Melon labia

it would actually be pretty easy for a small coordinated group of guerilla fighters to disrupt supply lines to cities. once people in the cities start starving, they will change their politics pretty quick.

>that one war where frogs had to save murica,and they act like it all thanks to themselves alone, and the didn't help the french.

>Maybe your phone is tapped. Maybe your internet is monitored. They got programs now, all they have to do is look for key words. They have algorithms to track purchases and movements, so if you're doing anything suspicious, you could be flagged.

You get an A for effort faggot.
>FBI missed this guy.

Anti 2A thread#62
No, but a gun can stop a nigger from stealing my TV

Have you see the uprising during the Bundy standoff? and that's was only about taxes
imagine what will happen if the fed kills a Texan in order to grab his guns.
Armed citizens outnumber 8:1 the entire US army
See pic related. What the pentagon think about how a civil war will go.

Ragheads in the Middle East are doing good so I'm sure we could fight

Ha, the police can't even stop a school shooter.

Shove your threats up your ass, you son of a whore.

When they bust down 5 doors in 1 neighborhood, and 8 of those SWAT team members are shot and injured, who replaces them to continue confiscation?

this

chinks took over a military base in SC. the government surrounded a gated community oof chinks . fired tear gas into it and rubber bullets injuring some kid . they took over the biggest military base on this side of the country. they didnt even number 500

i think you think to much of what the american government is capable of. right now you could storm dc and there isnt a lot they could do. you could take over any military base with minimal effort. the mexicans took one over one in cali shortly after the chinks took one over

blind faith in the power of the military is outdated

where and when was this

post sources

everything you described sounds like a perfect reason to always be armed and ready to resist the government.

>I don't think there's any point to resisting a tyrannical government, so you should just lie down and let them kill you as they wish
Genetic dead-end.

>incompetent government bureaucrats looking to do the bare minimum to collect pensions and poorly trained fatbody cops are going to suppress an angry population that outnumbers them 100000 to 1
Wow really stirs my macaroni you cock sucking faggot.

Wolverines mothahfucka

>1 post by this ID
SAGE in all fields, you retarded fucks.

>the announcement is made
>in the same night, hundreds of assassination attempts are made on congressmen, celebrities, media talking heads
>the next day a few police departments, and the FBI's few thousand field agents, are still dumb enough to stack up teams at the doors of a few hundred gun owners' homes, out of the hundred million households that have them
>they win 30% of the time
>the next day their families are hung, shot, burned to death
>the military gets involved to attempt to restore order
>oops 40% of the military is now rogue; special forces, delta, seals, intelligence agencies attached to the army and the air force, and a tiny part of the CIA
>absolute shitshow
>the gunless faggot who sits at coffeeshops with his macbook shitposting on Sup Forums thinks he's made of the type of material to survive this
>he thinks after its over his kind, not the most violent and ruthless gun fanatics in and out of the government, will be the ones to create the new government
blindingly stupid.

>1 post by this id
liberal bots have been at it all day.

who even says all cops would enforce a confiscation? Most surveys show that both sheriffs and regular officers don't plan on enforcing a confiscation law on otherwise law abiding citizens and most states won't even try to take guns from you if you're a felon unless you've committed a new crime.

In addition to Wolverines MothahFucka.
We will cold bloodedly murder every known communist, every newspaper, television reporter or employee down to delivery drivers. We know wherw every cop lives, every judge, every jailer, the ladies who make the lunches, the guys who fix the cop cars. In addition to that dipshit, we built the roads, the bridges, powerplants, power lines, the buildings, we drive the trucks, we fix the a/c the plumbing. We grow the food. We will end you. You exist only because we have not decided fuck it.
Push us till we say fuck it and you will get your orgy of violence. Stupid fuckin twat commie.

>You honestly think the government can resist a citizenry determined to remove it?Here's how it works. We'll show up at their homes. Or We'll get them on theirr way to work, or coming back from work. Or there's going to be no knock on their door in the middle of the night. If they resist, they'll just kill them . Then we'll kill their family. So yhry'll go along, and if thry're lucky, they'll be allowed to go home eventually. If thry're lucky, it's an official visit. If thry're not, well then, it's going to be men in masks and fatigues, and if we're wearing badges or patches or insignia, they'll be covered up. There will be several of us, and we'll show up out of the blue, and they won't have time to be a hero. they'll get a hood over theirr head.There'll be rules and then there'll be consequences. If they know what's good for them, they'll obey the rules, and they won't be bothered. If theirr neighbor makes trouble, well, safest for them to rat him out, so wedon't think thry're involved. they'll start worrying about what they say and who they say it to. After all, anyone might rat them out. So they'll be careful.Maybe their phone is tapped. Maybe their internet is monitored. We got programs now, all wehave to do is look for key words. We have algorithms to track purchases and movements, so if they're doing anything suspicious, they could be flagged. We might have a file on them. We've got a file on everyone.So, they're just going to be a good little boy. And they're not going to make any trouble. And everything is going to be fine.That's how it works.Josef Stalin fantasies are bullshit.

This is a pointless thought experiment. The purpose of which is demoralization.

Can we use guns to stop a government that has tactical nukes and biological warfare at its disposal? Not necessarily.

Forget "muh drones." Imagine that the government releases a plague, and administers the antidote to its supporters. The technology for this exists. Leftists like to claim that the will to use such tactics on a civilian populace ALSO exists.

But one thing is being forgotten here. Some of us would rather die free than live as slaves. Go ahead, spread the diseases. Send drones to spray the land with chemicals. Destroy us. Fucking do it, you unscrupulous monsters. At least I'll die knowing I did the right thing; even if it were to be the ONLY right thing I do.

Suck it, progressive fascist scum. You want fascism? Then I'll be all the more sure to support the NatSoc variety.

Nice trips chollo. Nah but we did get alot of frog help, that's why we'll keep invading yurop to stop germany from taking them over even tho germany is bro tier. We owe them our existence so I guess we gotta preserve theirs. But TBF in public school even they drill into your head that the french made it possible. We know it.

Top kek, I'd be amazed if even half of police officers in the country would be willing to go door to door collecting guns from otherwise law abiding gun owners.

Most cops/soldiers etc are somewhat redpilled /ourguys/

This relies on the complacency of the People.

I agree that it's likely most wouldn't and even the ones that would would reconsider quickly after they start hearing about the cops catching bullets from the NRA Gold Plus members who had too many "cold dead hands" bumper stickers to not follow through. If the police loved kicking doors as much as they claim we would've won the war on drugs decades ago.

Never happened, nor would it

Never let anyone tell you your not the hero Sup Forums deserves.

Or maybe the FBI didn't miss him and let him do his thing to gain more support on gun control.

actually just for reference california is the only state I know of that has a dedicated confiscation for an they only go after known felons and their guns because they can't keep up. Its to dangerous to go when people are at the house so they have to try and time it right but every year the maybe 10,000 raids they make another 10,000 people are put on the list. The unit is less than 50 people and costs $24 million for essentially a net zero result on safe raids.

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>Police are pro 2A
>This fucking retarded
All law enforcement in this country is anti-2A. LEOs without fail enforce unconstitutional firearms regulations. All laws which prevent someone from possessing a firearm (even temporarily such as with waiting periods) are anti-2A. The passage of such laws, the 'ruling' that such laws are constitutional, and the enforcement of such laws are all acts of treason. Every single pig who has ever enforced a gun law deserves the rope.

Nice fantasy, OP. Maybe you are thinking of a different country, but your scenario won't play out in the U.S.
WHY?
Cause the military would have to roll out to make any of that happen, and the U.S. Military is pro-constitution, pro-2nd amendment, pro-Liberty. So essentially you don't have a force large enough to enact your dream scenario, and any other force trying to do what you are claiming will be met with the full smack down of our Armed Forces.
Nice LARP, OP. Go back to school.

Bring it. Everything you said goes both ways :)

Now lets look at how this might play out when guns have to be removed nationally. First the buy back programs start and even people who comply and gonna need reasonable compensation, i mean whose gonna trade in a $600 sig for a $100 buy back? so maybe $500 average on the majority of the 300 million guns, lets say 250 million is 10 billion to start with. Plus you would then need a massive program to make sure you round up straggler weapons, even if all legal guns are turned in you have to double check everyone for compliance so another couple million. You have find hundreds of cops to do the legwork. And all for maybe a net neutral result, maybe.

What's the US government's record of pacifying domestic insurrections? Do they win 50% of the time? Two-thirds? One-quarter?

The US federal government has a perfect fucking record at putting down armed rebellions within it's borders. The Wiskey Rebellion, Civil War, and various actions against native tribes all ended in the government's favor, despite the rebels being far more comparably equipped with the givernmebt than any civilian could ever be today.

The idea that the second amendment is some kind of insurance policy against tyranny is completely laughable. The fact that so many on the right seem to view all these dead kids as a perfectly acceptable price to maintain that fantasy is disgusting.

>if you resist, they'll kill you

No shit user. None of us live forever. Die fighting like a man for your kids future. That's what will separate us from the baby boomers.

>Gun ownership cannot stop government tyranny

This is so wrong. Without the 2nd amendment, America would
>have a corporate-owned Congress
>have no access to health care
>send their soldiers to die for Israeli interests
>send their soldiers to die for the interests of the military-industrial complex
>have no minimum wage
>have no worker's rights
>have massive inequality
>have insane crime rates
>have literally zero social cohesion

You have to be blind not to see that guns do work.

You forget to mention that each of those "rebellions" were very small, and massively outnumbered by the military. They won't do as well when they themselves are massively outnumbered. You aren't very smart, why don't you go back to the Huff Po, we do not welcome idiots here.

Why the fuck does nobody remember vietnam?

And yet the most powerful military in the world got its ass kick by gooks in rice pattys with AKs, then by rag heads in the desert with AKs. Small arms resistance works.

you're making an argument for why not to give up weapons.

But there wasn't mass media today. You couldn't see the government slaughtering people at the time and never had to question whether what the government was doing right since the newspaper told you it was. How could CNN play off the fact that at best every year our prisons are being filled with more and more former gun owners and that everyone is having to pay for them. People are conflicted on deportation for drunk driving, how are they gonna feel about years in prison for owning an heirloom?

You are correct that the US has put down every attempt at insurrection. That was against an organized foe who actually put an army in the field against the full force of the US government. What people are talking about now is lone wolf asymmetric warfare, targeted assassinations, and terrorist tactics. Completely different scenarios.

>The Wiskey Rebellion
You mean the rebellion that resulted in the president not being re-elected and the next president immediately repealing the whiskey tax?

The entirety of the US supply chain is fragile as fuck if you really sit down and think about it. If the government is intent on ruining the lives of gun owners by kicking down their doors at night, shooting their dogs, and throwing them in jail they better be ready for a massive blowback of pissed off Americans bombing police stations, banks, fuel refineries, bridges, etc.

Any massive disruption in goods & services across the united states there would be a full on revolution and all for what? Bunch of fucking kids got shoot up in a school? Yeah I think the government is playing a winning hand by doing jack shit about taking our guns a2ay.

Whatever, dude. Saddam Hussein lasted 24 years. Well armed citizenry did nothing and made no difference. The key to democracy is keeping it. Not indulging John Wayne fantasies about how you'd get it back. The Civil Rights movement was not an armed insurrection, it was people making peaceful change happen. The guys with the guns weren't making the world better, they were the ones shooting activists.

Let's say they go in with a 5 man SWAT team to put down the uprising and take away the guns. These are very heavily armed citizens, and are fighting to the death to prevent their rights from being eroded. That's going to be about half the country. This includes the young, the weak, the women, and the old, as they too will fight for their rights. That's about 126,000,000 households they must raid to get all the guns (that they know about).

Let's say they're able to clear 10 houses for every one man they lose in the cross fire. They will need 12,600,000 trained SWAT, willing to go in and risk their lives to do that. Against their own interest. Even if we assume ZERO police turn coat, and 100% of them are up to do this suicide mission, you need 12,600,000 of them. 12.6 million SWAT.

There are 1.1 million total police of all kinds throughout the entire country. This includes the desk jockeys, ticket writers, pencil pushers, etc. Not the SWAT. You will run out of men before you clear 5% of the homes with guns.

Taking them is impossible.

This is obvious. The gov. also despises the 3A and 4A. The point of the 2A is that their force can be met by your force.
Of course, in a perfect society, you'd be able to sue the NSA and win.

Oh yes they can, think how much money, resources, and life has been drained by illiterate peasants with rifles from the 80's?

You could win a war with stones if you had the willpower, and willpower with weapons is even better.

This, Sup Forums is full of delusional kids who have no idea what they're talking about. Literal delusions of grandeur

>You honestly think civilians can resist a government determined to oppress it?
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Did you already forget about the Ukraine?
I didn't,
thanks for the tutorial Soros.


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>tactical nukes
A literal non-factor. No one wants to rule a nation of corpses.
>biological warfare
See above.

If anything, it'll be urban pacification when the cities riot because urban youths will violate curfew and it'll impede their civil liberties because "ay fuk u wite boi", and the left is thrown into yet another tizzy.

what the fuck are you talking about Malcolm X specifically talked about how there was a need for arms to protect against the people you're talking about fighting the activists. Do you honestly believe the entire civil rights movement was just MLK and rosa parks? It was a massive movement that was backed even by many government officials and politicians. Oh and guns were used when escorting the Little Rock kids to desegregate schools.

It can hardly compete with Stingers and F16s but it is enough to make it economically irrational to try to enslave the people like in certain European countries a bit further north

Now give me a domestic example.

Right. There is none.

Or, I keep my AR out 24/7, have an alarm to awaken me, only sleep 5 hours at random times, and can activate John Wayne mode in 6 seconds and make some widows. If I make 4-5 widows to my one, I win. Game on.

>mass killings to prevent mass killings
gtfo

>The idea that the second amendment is some kind of insurance policy against tyranny is completely laughable.
How can you be so fucking stupid? Seriously, how?
The 3A, the 4A, and the 5A were specifically contrived to prevent tyranny and a police state (esp. the 3A in the case of the latter). Yet the 2A has nothing to do with tyranny?
For those of us that have state constitutions with 2A type provisions, the necessity of the populace being as armed as the military (so as to make the military subservient to the "civil authority") is cited verbatim.

God, I hate the descendants of late 19th century immigrants so fucking much. Please, just go back. You don't belong on this continent. You don't support anything we're founded on. Just leave. Leave now.

It's almost as if we haven't been in Afghanistan for 17 years. Wow great point!

My only response is Cliven Bundy. You can throw out any opinion you want about the man, but you can't say the 2nd amendment didn't work.
And to top it off, an American jury through the feds case out.
Small arms resistance works.

There aren't enough gun grabbers to stop what would happen.

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Vietnam,Afghanistan,Iraq

>lets just say your delusional fantasies are correct and that everyone just gives up their weapons like a bunch of cucks. You have now created an exact turner diaries situation where the internet exists. you'll see thousand of timothy mcveighs deciding to vaporize their nearest government building.
>but it won't get to that point. we've seen what happens even with the bundy standoff. people won't stand for it. if the cops try and seize people's shit all at once it'l be all over facebook and twitter within seconds and half the country will ready to open fire from their window.
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Those feds didnt do shit because when it comes down to it alphabet agents dont give a fuck about the citizenry, liberty or honor.
All they care about is coffee breaks, their benefits package, the easiest way to cheat on their FEMA test and their pension that's waiting for them at the end of their career. They are not going to die because someone in Congress doesnt like guns. In fact there are some who might twist a knee pursuing you into the woods and have to give up the chase.

Complete fantasy.

When the government stops caring about public opinion, then what? Your guns mean nothing then.

>Imagine that the government releases a plague, and administers the antidote to its supporters.
>how to start ww3

well at that point, when the government stops giving a shit about who they kill or why or what us plebs think about it everyone loses. Nothing would matter at that point because who is to say that you aren't next for using a horrible hate board like Sup Forums. Whose to say the don't just start killing anyone who disagrees? Just like in OP i don't understand how that is an acceptable situation.

Lets do a though experiment here. The only form of tyranny that will realistically be resisted violently is a sudden third reich/USSR style power grab by the government. But even in such a situation there would be legislative proposals or executive orders that need to go into effect first. With the former, there will be lengthy debate and freedom fighters have time to prepare, while with the later, it still takes some time for an executive order to actually be executed by the respective agencies. So all in all, freedom fighters and patriots will have plenty of time to prepare and might even be already organised and pumped up due to preceding political organizing.

There are about 40 federal law enforcement officers for every 100 000 citizens in the US. So even if they manage to mobilize all 120 000 of them, they still need to disarm about 1000 people without a single casualty or else it won't work out numerically (50% gun ownership rate as an approximation), even if they all were 100% willing to die for the cause.

>they will just send in the army

Is not a valid argument. First and foremost, because most members of the armed forces are pro 2A and pro constitution in general, which would result in large scale defections of not just men, but also their assigned heavy weaponry (tanks planes etc). Secondly, said act would be a major violation of posse commitatus and would drive even more people to support the rebellion, maybe even among foreign nations and their people, since the prohibition on the use of the military as an internal police force is a centerpiece of the modern western liberal form of government.

A government that tried to disarm the US citizenry would ultimately be up against not just gun owners, but veterans, defected police/military and even foreign fighters. In addition, the government doesn't just need to win in the classical sense of winning a war, but it also needs to preserve the nation itself in the process.

Well then it's over already. You can't govern like that.

>>Imagine that the government releases a plague, and administers the antidote to its supporters.
>>how to start ww3
Imagine giving the Russians a reason to land cargo planes in Texas to provide "humanitarian support".

As soon as dead kids and Americans getting drone striked starts appearing on CNN the government might as well just give up because every soldier, cop, government with a conscious would defect and join the rebellion.

Vietnam
Afghanistan.
Countless insurgencies that have warded of states.

Much like nukes the arms are conjectural. Just as nukes hopefully stay in silos so to the guns simply just be used on paper targets.

Imagine the Russians arming anti government groups right now, the way the CIA does to other countries. Who's saying they aren't. Vegas shooter could have easily been an foreign agent and the FBI would make sure you never knew.

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I'd like to think you're right, but cops and feds have no honor.

How does your right to own guns prevent that tyranny from arising.

If it doesn't, then how does that justify keeping guns when piles of dead children is a consequence

It's not like the US military lost a war to a bunch of under equpied slant eyed rice farmers. And spent ten plus years in the middle East accomplishing nothing worthwhile while sustaining heavy losses. You fucking inbred mong. There is a reason why guerilla warfare is successful.

Bad news for you donkey man.

Government isn’t going to use bombs and tanks on US civilians in US soil. I practically had to suck the area commander’s dick to get clearance to drop a 500lb JDAM on a confirmed goat fucking terrorist camp in the middle of shithole nowhere Afghanistan.

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan proved the US government isn’t going to do what is necessary to beat an insurgency. I know. I was there for 2 of them unlike you needledick.

US has hundreds of thousands of disgruntled combat vets with guns and training that spent the better part of their early 20’s conducting COIN operations in the Middle East. We know how the government and military responds to insurgencies and we know how to fight like guerillas and insurgents.

Best part is, many of us also have experience with FID operations so we will have no problem training Bubba and Cletus to kill you.

You should be scared. Civil wars are always bloody and brutal.

as if all police departments collectively have the same view they. Same with individual policemen .

Im not gonna lie, you're right. This generation is weak as hell. But I assume everyone is looking at guns as a complete last resort. No one wants to put down their own countrymen, but as a last ditch defense I'd like to think Americans will.

Yep. Instead of AR-15s and pipebombs you'd see AK, PKMs, RPG-7s, and Symtex explosives. You'd also see Spetnaz helping train the rebels and coordinate a viable resistance.

>posts red team screencap
this user gets it
>Whatever, dude.
kek
classic response of the loser.
>how does that justify keeping guns when piles of dead children is a consequence
You're not even trying, are you? When did you realize that you were completely out-classed by a mongolian throat singing forum?

You honestly think civilians can resist a government determined to oppress it?

Here's how it works. They'll show up at your workplace. Or they'll get you on your way to work, or coming back from work. Or there's going to be a knock on your door in the middle of the night. If you resist, they'll just kill you. Then they'll kill your family. So you'll go along, and if you're lucky, you'll be allowed to go home eventually. If you're lucky, it's an official visit. If you're not, well then, it's going to be men in masks and fatigues, and if they're wearing badges or patches or insignia, they'll be covered up. There will be several of them, and they'll show up out of the blue, and you won't have time to be a hero. You'll get a hood over your head.

There'll be rules and then there'll be consequences. If you know what's good for you, you'll obey the rules, and you won't be bothered. If your neighbor makes trouble, well, safest for you to rat him out, so they don't think you're involved. You'll start worrying about what you say and who you say it to. After all, anyone might rat you out. So you'll be careful.

Maybe your phone is tapped. Maybe your internet is monitored. They got programs now, all they have to do is look for key words. They have algorithms to track purchases and movements, so if you're doing anything suspicious, you could be flagged. They might have a file on you. They've got a file on everyone.

So, you're just going to be a good little boy. And you're not going to make any trouble. And everything is going to be fine.

That's how it works.

John Wayne fantasies are bullshit.

And you'd like to live under such a "government"? It sometimes shocks me that there are human swine like you that exist. You're less than an animal, because at least an animal intuitively understands how to live in harmony and equilibrium with its environment.

It's intriguing to discover that creatures like you think you're good people or something. Or at least practice enough self-deceit to avoid the introspection that comes with being evil.

I digress...
Guns are severely limited, true. Their tactical use is somewhat specific. Guns alone won't halt great evil, that's when you step up your game to bombs, mortars, arson, ricin, anthrax, etc.

OR inversely, you get a community underground, because you realize that when you need these kinds of tactics to stop the government, the end is legitimately near, and you'll want to survive the fallout and the wanton hellscape on the surface. So instead of participating in it, do what the elites that are depopulating you and pitting you against one another do, and build underground like them.

yeah, that (((failed))) rebellion

>Best part is, many of us also have experience with FID operations so we will have no problem training Bubba and Cletus to kill you.
You could take all the teenagers and have them running ammo and MRE's to the front and digging fox holes. Plenty of non-com for the uninitiated.

Government starts acting tryranical:
we employ mercenaries to guard new free state
government has harder time trying to take state:
they go after non guarded territory first.
if all territory is guarded except for the tyrannical government, then we can close in on them without even starting a war:
if one state is open then we loose.
half of the war is more the potential risk factor vs/ the gain user.

it's that simple user.

haahha you clowns are hilarious. Police forces have no problem raiding your compound, arresting your asses, and having a prosecutor slap terrorism charges on you.
If you want to escalate it further, then expect a total loss.