Was he going easy on everybody?

If he wanted, he could have easily killed everybody no?

1) Trace a nuclear shelter.

2) Trace a nuclear bomb.

Kill all the masters and win the holly war.

>implying either of those are swords
>implying even fat man or little boy would be more than regular A rank nps

>1) Trace a nuclear shelter.
>2) Trace a nuclear bomb.
But those things aren't swords.

A shield isn't a sword, and still he is able to trace a shield.

Took him decades to master that skill, with constant training because he realized that only projecting swords was fucking useless when shit hit the fan, you filthy secondary mongrel. Also

Hilariously, a nuclear bomb is weaker than any of the sword he traces. Yeah of course they destroy everything and kill thousand of normal people, but not magis and their Servant. They save themselves in various ways. You could injure Saber but she'd heal instantly, also some Servants are just immune (like Hercules Berserker, he'd take absolutely 0 damage).

I highly doubt servants or magis are imunes to radiactivity. They all are going to be breathing radioactive air.

He can trace non swords, he literally does it a lot you dumb ass.

>Hilariously, a nuclear bomb is weaker than any of the sword he traces.
Also I don't think they are stronger than a fusion nuclear bomb.

they dont need to eat, why would they need to breathe, aside from Saber?

masters don't need to breathe?

No, it was just that NASU IS A HACK.

It takes a lot more mana for Shirou/Archer to trace anything that isn't a sword.

A projected nuclear weapon would bypass the resistance most Servant's have against conventional arms effectively ensuring a kill against most Servant's as long as they don't have NPs that can take it like Karna and Herc (as even Saber's regen can't outspeed being flash vaporized). Not that it matters since Emiya can't actually make a nuke even if he could theoretically reproduce all the materials.

>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?

>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

>A projected nuclear weapon would bypass the resistance most Servant's have against conventional arms
Why would it?

Because at that point it's actually a nuke made out of magic. All you need to damage Servants is for your attack to include magical energy so a literal magic nuke would do the job same as how reinforced shit, other projections, or the assdagger can all harm them.

If Emiya had a competent master he could have soloed the war.

Rin is pretty much best master he could ever get

No, he couldn't have. He's a terrible Servant.

I remember a material book that said that Rin is the most compatible master for him.

That just means he's good at dicking her down.

Rin wasn't the problem. Emiya could solo if he actually wanted the Grail but he gives no fucks even when it's a proper wish granter.

Archer is the prime example of Nasu being bad at balancing.
>realize he's OP, so gives him shit stats
>realize stats don't mean shit, his abilities were just too good
>make him and his master retarded instead to fix the problem

He could have just spent the first day or two storing overcharged NP's into UBW then spend the rest of the war casually nuking everyone from a safe distance. Instead he fights with worthless swords against people who are better at close combat. At least he could have projected weapons with more specialized abilities, but I guess that was too much of a hassle.

He literally doing it in HA and it's not auto win for him.

He can't kill Sasaki, Caster, Hassan, Berserker, Lancer, and he couldn't kill Saber in F/HA under ideal conditions for himself. I don't see what he has to offer against Medusa either.

How would Redman get through Gil? Remember he's a servant unlike Shirou, so he'd be deemed "worthy" enough to have enkidu and EA used against him. He'd have gotten straight fucked. Even Cu gave him a hell of a fight and Cu was command seal nerfed.

Ignoring Nasu Character Alignment Gilgamesh is Evi?

What would be like Good or Neutral Gilgamesh?

If EMIYA was the protagonist's Servant he could have won the war. He's strong enough to hold his own and has enough surprises in stock to potentially beat almost everyone else, but none of the matchups are sure victories.

> Caster

Medea was on home turf and Archer stomped her
Granted he says, she still had some trick in her sleeves and if it wasn't for Saber, he wouldn't have got past Kojiro, but 1v1 EMIYA counters her hard

> Hassan

Utterly stomps him
the only reason he didn't do so in HF was because The Shadow intervened

Every Servant is "I'm really a complete badass but I'm not using my full power because reasons".

Lancer still beats him. He can match Archer in melee combat; a single Gay Bulge took out almost all of Rho Aias, and Lancer can use it multiple times. Only way Archer could win is by trying to snipe (a strategy that has so far only worked on Servants that were already distracted), or UBW and try to Zerg him.

>Utterly stomps him
He has no counter measures for stealth. His fighting style requires a ton of setup and he has shit stats, meaning he wouldn't be able to save his Master in time.

Cu literally had all the abilities to counter Gil and still lost.

>Only way Archer could win is by trying to snipe (a strategy that has so far only worked on Servants that were already distracted), or UBW and try to Zerg him.
Not when Lancer has Protection from Arrows, a ridiculous AGI stat, and Disengage. Lancer is probably the single hardest counter to EMIYA in that war.

A nuclear weapon is way more complex structurally than a sword and swords are all he can trace easily. Anything else he tries to trace would be hollow.

>could have soloed the war
>when Cu fucking manhandled his bitch ass

>can't kill Caster
Literally fucked her up while nerfed and not trying to kill her. An Emiya who isn't trying to betray Rin would have just killed her off before she could recover/snap and destroy the temple.
>Assassin
Literally dead the moment Caster's gone since her buffs are the only thing stopping Emiya from nuking him.
>Medusa
He can't do shit against the Pegasus but it barely even matters while her Master is still Shinji.
>Cu
Uphill battle but still doable since Emiya is the king of asspulls and always has an out to Cu's own broken Celtic bullshit. Still probably Archer's hardest matchup which makes the fact they are always stuck in wars together funny.
>Berserker
He is one of the few Servants in the war with the actual means to kill him enough times and was basically half way there with no Master support, stuck in melee, and forced to stall for time. And that's ignoring silly shit like disabling Berserker for long enough to just Rule Breaker Ilya and just drag her home with him.
>Hassan
Hassan is trash the moment he's stuck fighting and isn't just assassinating your Master.
>Saber
Literally a fifty-fifty if he sticks to sniping like a goddam Archer should.
>Gil
See Shirou vs Gil except less rage inducing since Archer is also a Servant.

Lancer can't spam the thrown variant. Not that he needs to since the thrust gives no fucks about Rho Aius but the whole point of the scene is that Archer can play Cu like a goddam fiddle.

Has killed Berserk seven times in Fate, and it's pretty good Frim his part. The Power level is just an inconsistent bullshit and not even Nasu cares. He simply made sure that all servants had different roles in the various ruotes.

>traces OP's mom
>drops her from exosphere
Voilà, kinetic bombardment.

Protection from Arrows doesn't defend him from explosion and such

> Gil fires NP
> CC parries
> NP lands near him
> explodes due to passive ability or some shit
> CC is injured
> repeat for 12 hours

This is a fact
Gil>>Berserker>>Lancer>Saber >>Rider>Archer>Caster>Assassin>True Assassin

That and sense he's more then likely been called in to fix grail fuck ups across time and remembers all of those times...
He's probably fought and killed every servant at least 5 times by now.

>Archer can play Cu like a goddam fiddle.
You mean almost get killed before Lancer gets called off. Archer's ranged attacks wouldn't work on him at all (both from his bow and just throwing swords). To say nothing of the runes Lancer could use as well.

The only time EMIYA was a scary threat is when he acted like an actual archer in hollow ataraxia.
A fucker who snipes opponents 4000 meters away from him using broken phantasms is dangerous.

>played Cu like a fiddle
>when during the melee Cu was slapping his shit, and after he throws the Raw Ass/Gay Bulge clash Archer's a broken mess only left alive after the fight because Rin asked Cu to do it, while Cu is still in fantastic shape

You have zero grasp on this guy personality, abilities morality and ideas. Go re read entire VN 5 more times and the apologise for the most stupid argument you could make.

> Emiya is the king of asspulls and always has an out to Cu's own broken Celtic bullshit

Caladbolg is only Kryptonite against CC when it is wielded by a warrior who hails from Ulster

> See Shirou vs Gil except less rage inducing since Archer is also a Servant.

Gil whips out Ea, the moment Archer deploys UBW. He underestimated Shirou, because he was some human trash in his eyes.
He'll kill Archer in this scenario.

Archer wouldn't be able to hit Lancer at any decent distance, he wouldn't even need PfA. The only reason he cornered Saber at all in HA was because of her terrible Master standing around like the useless idiot that he is.

Archer>Rider and Saber>Lancer, but besides that, yeah.
Man, poor Medea. Pretty famous figure and still gets shafted and doesn't accomplsh anything any route

Hey, she did pretty well for a while in UBW.

>Hilariously, a nuclear bomb is weaker than any of the sword he traces
Either you are retarded or Nasu is retarded or both.

In EXTRA him and the two girls could each fight and defeat (an admittedly nerfed) Arcueid in the actual main story. Not a bonus fight or anything. So EXTRAverse Nameless is pretty strong.

Beat SHIKI too

No, in Nasu's canon rewrite of Extra, Archer is the only one of the three player servants who loses his war.

In fact this is his problem. Emiya enjoys too much play the irregular Saber instead of doing the damn Archer.

Nero defeats Tamamo in Round 4 of Extella/Zero. Then defeats Archer in Round 7. Red Saber is the only one in that story that doesn't walk away with any kind of L.

Only because nobody really tried to fight her
The first real fight she had, Archer completely destroyed her after a teenage girl went toe to toe with her.
Kidnapping Saber was an ambush, and one that worked, but still an ambush; if Saber had been able to fight properly, she would've won, like she was about to in Fate if Gil hadn't showed up.
And when Archer showed up to "rescue" Shirou, it was the same way; he wasn't giving it his all since he was focused on deciding what to do about Shirou.

The dawning of frenetic turmoil where the humans who had, until then, venerated and feared nature, began, as humans, to do what they wished. The commencement of manic delirium.
In such an age, he was born as king. The blood of the gods who had ruled thus far, and the blood of the humans who would rule from hereon.
As a completely different life form, embodying the two. As the ultimate neutral party, discerning their respective failings, adjudicating from their respective positions.
To observe was to determine. He determined to discern the lives of humans by the king’s measure. That is the the crux of his being.

...

>"The fulfillment in life, the joy of living that I’d attained for the first time, vanishes in the blink of an eye, like so. This was the world of humanity. This was what I must observe. What would I understand of this unique appeal in an undying body?
...
>"The sky I beheld stretched far and wide. It was such that, even with my eyes, it would take many moons to foresee it all.
>"By that time, my body will have long since rotted. And yet the world of humanity will continue to expand. One day, humanity shall discern in advance even light that lies millions of years ahead.
>"...Such was the future I saw. And it was an exhilarating sight. Thinking back, I must have lost my drive.
>"I had collected all that should be collected. There was no further joy to be had in that era.
>"Then it is a simple matter of departing with integrity. I’ll experience death as many times as necessary.
>"Time and again I shall revive. Time and again I shall observe. Until the end of this world.
>"Until the day comes when humanity reaches beyond my garden, setting sail for the dark sea―――until the day comes when humanity reaches the end of the sky and strikes its final note.”

Archer has a higher chance of beating servants if he uses a strategy like in hollow ataraxia. Hrunting is the best arrow an archer could have.

So what's the deal with 5 Gandr at once being stronger than Excalibur at normal, invisible-air-covered usage? Is Gandr really that good that Rin can take one of Heracles' lives when Saber can't even scratch him without an NP?

>tfw Hollow Ataraxia voice patch is still a month and a half away

Fuck, Neutral Gil is sick. I'm not sure it's even possible for Gil to be "good", though, I literally can't imagine it working with his character in any way.

It's his best strategy, but that doesn't mean it's enough.

A shield is just a wider sword

Magic > Science

A sword is just a slim shield.

That's not how it works you little shit

If a big chunk of rock is considered a sword, I can't see why a shield isn't

A sword is just a flat hammer with a sharpish end that you can stab people with.
It's also handy as a shield.

It never should have gotten to the point where they pulled off an NP struggle in the first place, except for the fact everything in that fight was Emiya manipulating Cu to attack how he wanted. That's what I meant by playing Cu like a fiddle. Emiya turned what should have been a hopeless fight to "Well I'm completely fucked up, but at least I'm not dead and he's also out of mana".

>all these secondaries that haven't read Hollow Ataraxia
>in which he traces a fucking fishing rod

I don't even know the limitations of his tracing abilities anymore familia

>tfw you didn't read it when the first translation was finished so that you could hear it with the glorious voice patch the first time

The thought of his skin pretty much melting off and he still rampaging like nothing is happening made every encounter with berserker scary as fuck.

CARBON FIBER FISHING ROD WITH ELECTRICAL PULLING ENGINE.

>CP
>Berser-car
I started clapping the first time I saw it.

This. To be honest, he's fairly scary if he uses his true talent as an archer and merely supplemented with his hand to hand sword fighting ability.

Can you imagine being a servant then hearing the "I am the bone of my sword" thing happening then opening your eyes a moment later only to find yourself on the hill of swords?

The next thing you know you'll hear what sounds like a nuke then seeing only the glint of his infinite swordarrows raining down on you before you die?

>When you realize if they ever make another Carnival Phantasm, it'll neglect KnK, Tsukihime and Melty entirely to focus on F/SN, Extra, Prisma Illya, Apocrypha and GO.

>Japanese English puns

UBW takes too long and doesn't help all that much.

And Gil could just summon the worlds entire nuclear arsenal at once with Gate of Babylon. He doesn't do that either. I wish he just summoned a nuke to spite kill Shirou during UBW

UBW is the only reason Shirou was able to chop off Gil's arm

UBW is only good against Gil, and even then only under the condition that he doesn't use Ea.

I don't tend to like people who say things like "lol it's so obvious that you haven't read the VN", but it is incredibly obvious that you don't know what you're talking about.

They won't neglect Tsukihime because of the remake that will come out soon ;_; I-I'm sure it'll be out before I die.

> not reading subpar fandisc is now a sympton of secondariness

actually read HA and I still think you should fuck off

pretty fucking sure nukes did not exist during Gil's time familia

fuck

It is though, user-kun.
>introduces bazett
>introduces luvia
>introduces caren
>explains a ton of servant backstories
>get to see what the characters are like when not under extreme pressure

Also
>subpar
HA was fantastic

kinda retarded desu

even with UBW's high mana demand, it's still Gate of Babylon Lite

unless his opponent is a knight class Servant like Saber, who can dodge every shit he throws at her or someone with hax like Heracles, I don't see why it shouldn't be OP

((ye, I know Nasu stated sword spam is only "bothersome" to Servants, but it is still retarded))

Isn't it mentioned somewhere that ancient humans in this universe are at level of tech roughly around the same as us currently?

I think it's pretty obvious that the infinite sword spam it provides its good against a lot of people considering how much ass Gil rape on his own.

HA is even better than S/N, you get an H scene with Rider.

>4000 meters
Nice range, buddy.

>Summon Oppenheimer
>Archer class
>his NP is an atomic bomb

>introduces bazett
>introduces caren
>explains a ton of servant backstories

valid points

>introduces luvia

drills was shit until Kaleid

>get to see what the characters are like when not under extreme pressure

HA had some gems. Like the one scene, where Medusa and Caster start arguing, Saber pipes in to lecture them about how they need to be more mature, only for them to unite against her and roast her for being a NEET
but there are still dozens and dozens of boring scenes like eating potato with Saber, the girls masturbating to Kojiro's hair or any scene with Issei in general

>I know Nasu stated sword spam is only "bothersome" to Servants

Only because Sword spammers don't get creative and always rain down the swords from directly above their own head. If they spammed them from behind the opposing servant, or directly above them, or better yet, directly beneath their feet, then they'd probably catch a lot more servants.

Why send out swords from one direction when you can make the opponent play "the floor is SWORD"

SAY IT TO MY FACE AND NOT ONLINE, SANDNIGGER!

A nuke is just a round sword that blows up

>Emiya
>calling others nigger

How do pairings work in HA? Do you just boost affection points and get h-scenes with a girl? Just wondering cause I'm on cool down from reading the Fate VNs after F/SN