"Outlawing drugs didn't work so outlawing guns won't work"
But we want illegal immigrants to be outlawed and removed. This will work!!!
Removing guns from people however is tyranny and unconstitutional.
Removing people from a country they've lived in for decades is not govermental abuse nor is keeping them out.
If you take anyone's gun though it is abuse by the goverment.
GET IN HERE!!!!!!
It only works when it's something I dislike and it's American and the right thing to do.
If I like it, it's not going to work, it's abuse and we shouldn't do it.
But I hate women logic they are irrational unlike me!
1. Who will be taking the guns from the populace?
2. Will they have guns?
I only have one right I will argue bitterly over and genuinely kill another human for. That is the right to bear arms. All other rights you think you have are predicated by your ability to effectively protect them. Protect them with force if necessary. There is no first amendment without the second.
Yeah, but laws and shit right?
Kys
Simple rule of law seems to be a tough concept for you.
Your only right is to bear arms?
That's all you have?
Explain
There's new laws being made to make immigrants be removed. That is no different than if we made new laws for guns.
Anti 2A thread#80
This is anti 2a. It's pointing out hypocrisy. No reading comprehension
How about "shall not be infringed"? That good enough for you?
wewt
Read user’s post slower. If you still don’t understand, read it again. Once you roughly get the point, neck yourself, because THERE ARE NO RIGHTS without the 2nd, to defend the others from leftists faggots like you.
That's just a law written.
Written nearly 300 years ago.
I'm talking the semantics of the law compared to the other demands being currently made and how they compare. You are brain dead if you cant objectively comprehend this.
It is the lynchpin that allows you to respond to the abuse of the citizenry by a government or others. Force is still the gold standard. You only have rights as far as you can protect them.
Say you have the "right" to be safe in your home, but a roving gang of youths can come and hurt you and take your stuff because you are unarmed? Do you still have the right to safety in your own home? Or is that "right" dependent on force to maintain it?
yes it is you retarded nigger, theres nothing in the constitution granting niggers or spics the right to come here, and only recently did we even start allowing their asses in here. guns have been here from the beginning and always will be.
Guns are not the reason we have rights.
You can’t because it’s an inalienable right, you pole smoking leftynigger.
>How about "shall not be infringed"? That good enough for you?
It doesn't matter if thats not good enough for that twink or any other little bitch. Its the law of the land and our birthright.
Wrong. If you read the bill of rights, it states that rights belong to man, given by god. The document merely enumerates, and recognizes them as rights within the framework of our country.
I still have the right regardless of my ability to defend.
When i have a license to drive I have the right regardless of if I am a NASCAR driver or a horrible driver who consistently gets in accidents. My ability to perform does not equal my rights.
ILLEGAL immigrants
LEGAL guns
Get the picture?
Bump
The constitution is not the only relevant piece of law. We have a whoke set of statues and laws that are relevant to present time. Many of them which help you live the comfy life you do today.
we dont need an argument
try to take them and you get perforated
Are you slow? The ability to defend yourself with deadly force, on par with any other human is literally how you guarantee your fucking rights.
>given by god
Most of you are atheist so I dont know how you can defend that definition at all.
>Deporting people that are in a country illegally
>illegally
vs.
>Ending a right to -legal- gun ownership, something which was guaranteed by the constitution of the country
I'm not sure you could come up with a worse false equivalency, my slide-thread shill
So what happens to your "right" to free speech when people come with guns and tell you to shut the fuck up? Or come to say that your property is no longer yours? Or that you no longer have the right to raise children, the government will do it for you. Or that you dont have the right to vote?
You had better be baiting.
No it's not.
Goodluck fighting with your gun against a guy who tries to rob you and had his gun up first. You are going to die on the spot and your mother will cry.
Those people are breaking the laws which you are describing. They are criminals who go against everything we are describing.
>le /pol is one person faggotry
I'm not a Christian, but I do recognize a higher power. That's still not the fucking issue, you clearly haven't read the constitution or the bill of rights.
God in this sense is a legal concept. The State has no authority to take any of the 10 enumerated in the Bill of Rights,even by amendment.
>Shootings in ranges where thousands of high caliber rifles are fired weekly.
Zero,
>Shootings by law abiding members of the NRA.
Zero.
>Shootings by people pumped up with drugs prescribed by lobbied doctors who hand them out like candy.
A SHIT TON!
If You are quoting that the right was given by god and do not believe in God it has no relevancy to you or merit
You're presupposing immigrants are necessary for any purpose.
This is so irrelevant to anything being discussed.
What happens when the people trying to do these things write the laws? Its no longer illegal for the government to doit, its legal. Here comes the "ensure your own rights or die trying" part.
Why do you think that the government deserves a monopoly on force? They are just humans like us. They arent special.
No I am not. Don't put words in my mouth
Are you retarded or something?
1911 – Turkey disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.
1929 – Russia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.
1935 – China disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.
1938 – Germany disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews.
1956 – Cambodia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.
1964 – Guatamala disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.
1970 – Uganda disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.
Implications exist, idiot.
You can argue about the numbers, but the point here is that disarmed citizens are vulnerable, and that there are many historical examples of disarmed citizens being killed and oppressed by their own government. The excuse given by authorities that they need to take guns away from citizens in order to lower crime rates is not supported by facts. Even if a government does not turn on its own citizens after disarming them, people are less safe – because unarmed citizens are easy targets to criminals. Over and over again, it has been clearly shown that taking guns away from citizens does not lead to a decrease in crime but rather a dramatic increase.]
Australia has disarmed it’s citizens, and a year later the homicide rate in the largest province is up 300%. The burglaries of seniors is “dramatically” up.
I guess the criminals did not turn their weapons in. Only the innocent law abiding citizens turned in weapons.
In US cities with the highest crime rates, taking guns away from the citizens has not lowered the homicide rate. All it has done is to make it easier for criminals to operate.
The 2nd amendment is not about duck hunting, or deer hunting. It is about having the ability and the right to defend oneself and your family. It doesn’t matter if that threat is a burglar, or the Federal Government. A disarmed population is fair game for any president who may be aspiring to become a dictator. Having its citizens armed was the plain and simple intent of the founding fathers of our country.
So what is the point of laws period if you think theyll all just be overthrown and launched out the door at any moment and we will enter an apocalypse?
I'm not a Christian, that doesnt mean I don't believe in a higher power or Creator force.
op is one of men in my pic
>Germany disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews
>they murdered 16 million Jews
come on man
Completely irrelevant to what is being discussed.
The hypocrisy of saying removing immigrants is good and forceful removal as well as banning and isn't abuse by government but removal of guns is abuse and not ok or banning.
Not speaking of results
Driving is not a right you memeflag faggot. Kill yourself.
>illegal immigrants to be outlawed and removed
>illegal to be outlawed
>illegal
What is your definition of illegal, OP?
We will never get 100% of the illegals out of our country, but we CAN reduce their numbers significantly. Guns don't breed & multiply once bought. Guns don't get up & walk down the street shooting bullets by their self. Guns don't have a brain, they cannot think. Walking across a countries border when you didn't apply for the proper paperwork, requires thought. Those people KNEW what they were doing was wrong when they did it, they KNEW there was a chance they would be caught & deported. They took the risk, they did the crime, now they must pay the fine & the time.
Because the ability to defend myself with deadly force is what secures my rights. Not the law. Personal responsibility for my life, my family and my belongings. Force or threat there of is the law.
When you have a license driving is your right dumbass
>"Outlawing drugs didn't work so outlawing guns won't work"
>But we want illegal immigrants to be outlawed and removed. This will work!!!
Outlawing a nearly hundred constitutional right with billions of guns over the country is different to don't let people smoke weed, also illegal immigration is already outlawed autist
Removing guns from people however is tyranny and unconstitutional.
>Removing people from a country they've lived in for decades is not govermental abuse nor is keeping them out.
>Lol why you are gonna kick me out of your house, i already have lived 10 days here illegaly but that don't matter :)
I know you are a shill or leaf but c´mon buddy
ITS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE RIGHTS.
My forefathers used them against the CROWNs Lobster soldiers.
ITS THEE VERY REASON I AM FREE TODAY.
Then I guess we should make murder and theft legal since they still occur, by your logic?
But is it god you believe in? As constitution says?
If a quran or a bible grants you something and you don't believe in it, it's not relevant to you
Read the law carefully. The license is not your property. It belongs to the state. They can revoke it if you don't follow the law. Look up "implied consent"
We can also reduce the amount of illegal gun ownership but will never get all out. Works both ways.
>we want illegal immigrants to be outlawed
user, you need to re-read what you have written.
There is a chance of dying every time we step outside from cars, planes, weather, criminals, animals, etc.
Dosent mean we must pay for this.
Like I said, you can argue about the numbers. Maybe it was 50. Holohoax or not, that’s still 50 unarmed civilians unable to defend themselves.
No it's not. You dont need a gun to secure your rights.
Guns ownership is legal.
Illegal immigration isnt.
/thread
Driving is a privilege granted by the state. You don't even understand the concept of a right vs privilege.
>A privilege is a certain entitlement to immunity granted by the state or another authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis. ... By contrast, a right is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from the moment of birth.
Illegals are illegals you insufferable moron. They have no constitutional rights.
Gun ownership is a constitutional right.
SUCH COMPLEX!
That all sounds completely reasonable
One is illegal, the other is a god given right. Why the fuck is this so hard for you to wrap your brain around?
You are pretty much the type of person my post described. Thanks for posting.
Rofl
Definetly not
Approx 200,000 opioid overdoses from 1999-2016. Yet approx. 400 school shooting deaths from 1990-2018. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, LIBTARDS!
They don't need a gun to defend themselves.
>Constantly shifting the subject because it's the only way to defend his narrative
what a faggot
You wanna talk about guns? talk about guns. But don't bring in the POH WITTLE IMMIGRANTS as an excuse for why gun control is shit
>god given
You dont even believe in God.
A man wrote that constitution not god
Off topic
Then why didn’t they defend themselves with what they had?
Because illegal aliens (criminals) operate the same as illegal gun owning criminals.
Neither are navigating under the law of the land.
You replied to this because the had something in his post you could deflect to (god)
You didn’t respond to Because he said the same thing and didn’t haven anything in his post you could deflect to. You are dishonest and a coward. Fuck off.
Okay. I be laid out the literal framework why an armed populace ensures they cant be casually abused by the state. All you have is
>nuh uh it doesnt work like that
Explain to me what powers grant you rights? Other people saying you're allowed to have them? People that happen to work for the state? Please tell you you aren't this fucking sheeped.
Good job brah, your meme flag and shitty arguments triggered me for a sec. I hope some young user's are reading this and learning something, it's always useful to see what kind of arguments naive liberal faggots like you make so they can be picked apart.
>But we want illegal immigrants to be outlawed and removed.
....nigger you are beyond dumb
Go ahead & reduce the amount of illegal gun ownership. Doing this would also require the removal of Illegal Aliens. Not a single sane American citizen would argue against that. Tear down the Cartels, remove the M-13 scum. Confiscate their illegal guns. Crime rate will hopefully go down. Don't penalize the legal people for the crimes of the illegal people.
Yes they are, faggot
You don’t know what I believe, nigger.
I know that you believe virtue signaling with anons gives you perceived superiority over other people, but your still a retard that doesn’t understand how the Bill of Rights works. I assume since you’re hiding behind a memeflag you’re probably a Mohammedan’s little bitch bong.
You’ll never get the guns, faggot.
/thread
Which for the record "endowed by our creator" doesnt use the word god. I don't believe the framework christianity laid for God. I do however believe in a higher force or creator. Arguing philosophical minutiae isnt going to get anywhere with this guy.
Hawt, pls post more of her
This
You don't have to step outside to die, lol. What is your point? The world is a dangerous place. The ONLY guarantee in life is that one day you will die. How you live your life between now & that time is up to you. Are you going to live it in fear of death & baddies with guns or are you going to move forward & make life worth living?
People are against any removal of guns. They think it'll lead to their guns being removed
>illegal
Illegal guns should be removed. Legal guns should stay.
Why is that so complicated?
Louder with Crowder BTFO's all this gun loophole/assault rifle bullshit, anyway. You can't buy guns without a background check, and you can't buy assault or semi-automatic without a special license.
I'm not scared of guns at all. My point was theres danger everywhere.
Gr8b8m8
Sage, nobody is his retarded
>banning a person who needs to interact with society every day as as hard as banning an item anyone can just put under their bed and never take out in a hundred years
>Dosent mean we must pay for this.
Pay what?
Rifles account for less than 10% of all gun murders.
A background check is worthless. Anyone can pass one. Says nothing about behavior or decisions with gun
Depends on the state. In the US semi is pretty much unregulated. Same day purchase in most places.
Why are you do focused on kill counts. I haven't even discussed that
Off topic
How do you propose we change peoples behavior?
"Guns trigger the left"
Ahhahahahahahaha