If Hitler took Moscow, would they have won the war?
I believe yes, as they could have waited out the winter there, or actually secured winter gear and fortified supply lines before moving onward. Unlike with Napoleon, the city was in good shape for lodging of the army.
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Generally, no. It looked like Napoleon would have taken Moscow, but they abandoned it and Napoleon was left with an empty city. I'm fairly certain the Russians have plans for attempts at invading Moscow and even have a plan if Russian Europe is taken; they hide behind the Ural mountains and mount an attack from there.
In all honesty, the Germans shouldn't have taken on the Russians if they wanted to win.
>the single most important military campaign in the history of the world that will shape the future forever
>not related to politics
Yes, the Soviet state was highly, highly centralized at Moscow. The railroads, the power grid, and of course the political institutions had their nexus at Moscow. History came very, very close to an alternate course.
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But in 1941, a really decisive ground victory in Moscow would have allowed for non-stop planes full of food and supplies from the Fatherland all winter. If they'd needed it. The collapse of Stalin's government probably would have led to an outpouring of support from the Russian people.
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No they wouldnt america would make nuclear bombs and they would have still lost or soviets would take back moscow or both would happen
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Moscow wasn't as important to the war effort as you think. In July 1941, the Soviets began moving massive amounts of factories and factory workers to the Urals.
The Germans needed to decapitate the Soviet leadership. If Stalin made a stand in Moscow, and Moscow fell, they'd win the war.
If Stalin fucked off to the Urals, the American material that was flooding into the USSR would eventually have turned the tide of the war.
Eventually though, the Americans would have nuked Germany.
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Only if stalin would have been killed or captured in Moscow AND a arising inner-soviet power struggle in the aftermath occurs, basicly dissolving the soviet UNION.
Had the wehrmacht not split up forces in 1942 and captured Batumi and Baku in the Caucasus, wether or not Stalingrad is even reached, then the soviets would run out of fuel while germany would have plenty then, would ensure soviet defeat.
And no, germany did not need to occupy whole UdssR. Propably we would have seen some german satellite states (Ukraine, Belorus, Baltic States, Caucasus States, some free Russian state under Vlassov) and a now more handy sized soviet union in the east, as a convenient boogeyman, keeping the satellites in line, without need for german pressure.
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>If Hitler took Moscow, would they have won the war?
No. The Soviet government had been moved to Kyubishev two months before the Wehrmacht even got there, and it stayed there until early 1943.
Taking Moscow with the Red Army still in the field would've been Stalingrad a year earlier.
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Wrong.
Germany should have invaded russia in 1937. They were way ahead of everyone at that point. War with Russia was inevitable
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Taking Moscow would have crippled the Soviet infrastructure, which was mostly rail-based and of which Moscow was (is) the main hub. Without it, Soviet railway would be reduced to mainly a collection of loose ends
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No. Napoleon took it and Russkies were still sipping French Wing in St. Petersburg.
Russia doesn't give a shit about its people.
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This should’ve waited until just after the Finnish war and purges then attacked
They would certainly have had a good chance of winning the eastern front, but they had already tried and failed to take Britain so it says nothing about how the western front would've gone.
The longer the nazis held the west the shakier their hold would have been, the was resistance in France, and neither Belgium nor The Netherlands were happy about nazi rule.
Once America had gotten involved the western front would likely have been lost regardless, taking Moscow would only have served to prolong the war.
It is all speculation though, it's very possible that with the east secured Hitler would have made a peace deal with the west and withdrawn from France and the Benelux. In this case history would be very different indeed.
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I agree with you OP
He shoulda rushed Moscow and claimed that he owned all of Russia
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wasnt the plan to take moscow based on moscow being the hub for all the rail roads around russia?
If Hitler beat Russia AND Japan never provoked the U.S. then yes he would have won.
it would have been a major blow to the soviets if Moscow had been taken i don't know where else they could have formed a defensive line between Moscow and the Urals.