Leave saving starving japanese animators to us

Leave saving starving japanese animators to us.

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>They've only just released the 2nd part for LWA.

Shut up, you're two million in debts and Disney left you

Netflix will be dead soon. They have too much debt, their catalogue is going down fast, and their originals suck.

They need to save themselves from billions of dollars of debt, first.

>BS Radio's Tama Musubi program recently conducted an interview with writer and film critic Tomohiro Machiyama (script writer for live-action Attack on Titan films). Machiyama discussed Netflix and its growing involvement in the film, entertainment, and anime industries.

>In response to a comment about the "amazing" overseas value of Japanese anime, he said:
>It's amazing, but no money is being invested in Japanese anime at all. Even the In This Corner of the World director [Sunao Katabuchi] was making [the film] on the verge of starvation. He was making the film for five years with no income at all with his wife.

>Japan, which has squashed and made fun of its anime creators for a long time until now, is going to get big retaliation from Netflix.

>Machiyama also said that Netflix's live-action series have "five times the budget of a Japanese film. Five times [the budget] in one episode." He said that Netflix is now active in Japan, and "it lets Japanese film directors and anime producers make their works." Machiyama said that the cooperation allows for the budget for simultaneous releases worldwide. He believes "Japan's anime industry will soon change completely. And the film industry will also change."

Go shill somewhere else fag

Leverage is how you expand a business, if they weren't in "debt" it would be a fuckup. Disney left because Netflix is so successful D wants to try to copy them.

Netflix is now more popular than cable tv. That's one business, that's outcompeting an entire industry.

I've got no dog in this fight, really. But trying to argue that Netflix isn't a successful business is just incorrect.

>No Simulcasts

I wonder if netflix will force Crunchy to stop being such jews and pay more for their series. Ditto Funi and Amazon.

>In response to a comment that actors in Netflix Originals series are offered "ridiculous sums of money," Machiyama said:
> There is a big paradigm shift happening in the entertainment industry now. Until now, people making films and anime in Japan have suffered their lives in poverty. Suddenly people with ten or twenty times the budget appeared, and it is becoming a world where they say, 'it's okay to make it no matter how much money it takes.'

>In addition, Machiyama commented that works that might not receive an "OK" under other circumstances or that film companies would not be able to screen can get approval through Netflix. He thinks that a "full-blown war" with Netflix will start in the media world in Japan, and it will look like "an invasion of the former American military." He advised careful consideration for people involved with Japanese media companies.

>As an example, Machiyama noted that France has elevated its country to fight with Netflix. He said that the country essentially avoided an American "invasion" by blocking Netflix from France.

>Machiyama believes that anime is a "wonderful" medium viewed around the world, but its development has been limited because there has been no significant monetary investment.

I fucking hate normalfags.

It wont matter when 50% of shows in every season are on their service.

It's nice that Netflix are willing to throw large sums of cash at project, but in the case of anime, how much of it will go to the underpaid animators?

Just as much as usual.

Can I get the link on this? Reads interesting.

1. studios need to compete with each other studios for jobs with 20 times the usual budget
2. studios increase quality
3. animators capable of better quality are highly sought after
4. top level wages rise through the roof
That doesn't help the low-end workers though.

ANN article
But that's all there's to it.

>That doesn't help the low-end workers though.
It does, because sometimes quantity is a quality all on its own.

That's good if they get more money, I'm just worried about the influence that Netflix could have.

Based Netflix

You're already seeing the effects of Netflix's influence, just look at their recent announcement. They seem to like sci-fi themed anime.

Nope, nothing wrong with Netflix at all go- guys.

Netflix are never going to take over the anime industry, they are only interested in catering to their target demographic with these shows, there will always be a market for shows outside that demographic and studios and animators working in that field. They only liscense and buy up shows and fund shows with young adult appeal really.

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If netflix shows offer significantly better deals for animators and studios, they will reject the low-paying traditional anime projects.

I'm worried about that as well, I don't want anime to just become a rehash of what already exists in the USA, I hope they can get the money and keep their creativity, actually I just don't want to lose fanservice, loli, and basically everything that makes anime so different than western stuff.

Netflix isn't going to be producing 40+ anime a season.
If demand still exists within Japan for the type of shows we already know then those shows will get produced.

>leave airing shows months after the hype has died to us

>waah I'm worried about the influence of Netflix

Anime will become the next big shit that western normalfags will ruin.

Already happened with video games and movies.

They actually have a pretty varied collection of japanese media.
From tokusatsu, shoujo and shonen anime to the more gritty stuff.

So what Netflix anime you're looking forward to?
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>Netflix isn't going to be producing 40+ anime a season.
No, it will only drain the labor pool as if they were producing 40 anime a season.

Honestly they almost all look terrible and bland, the usual stuff basically.

anime is dead

>Yuasa
>usual stuff

They focus on big brand names and scfi-fi, action, fantasy, violent stuff when it comes to the majority of their anime. You might be able to find an outlier or two but those are the clear criteria.

That is just horseshit.

Oh there's one by Yuasa? Which?

>konichiwa, in today's meeting we'll be talking about diversity

Watch the PVs in that post

>That is just horseshit.
What do you think is going to happen with "twenty times the budget"?
See

It'll be funny if they force them to add black people or lgbt stuff.

But anime already has plenty of LGBT stuff, disguised as fetish fuel.

There are tons of lgbt stuff in anime already.
Do you even watch anime?

Of course, I meant, they would force them to portray lgbt in a different manner than how they do right now.

The loli one

You ain't seen shit yet, look up The Mist tv show.

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Well I hate you too user

Looks more like Netflix focuses on guaranteed cult following than anything more mainstream. Blame! movie, Devilman movie and Dark Crystal tv show all indicate this. Those three are hardly IPs trying to appeal to the mainstream. Well, except Devilman in Japan I guess.

>waiting months because they just have to release their shit in bulk
No,fuck off

Studios will take longer to produce their shoes and focus more on quality control as they will be able to afford not to rush. That's about it. To suggest anything like the entire industry is going to be working on the what 3-4 shows Netflix has coming up in a few seasons shows a complete misunderstanding of the industry.

Nothing wrong with netflix or crunchyroll desu senpai.

>Studios will take longer to produce their shoes
Which would have the same effect. You are still putting more work hours into the same project.
That means, less workers are available for other projects.
You are being willfully stupid.

>anime that focuses on songs and features loli and some other girl that is voiced by Yukari
>Yuasa anime
>some potentially entertaining sci-fi
Why do I have to dislike Netflix again?

Good thing is actually good creators have a venue in foreign market now, so the japanese market being oversaturated by cheap and bad quality moeshit does not hurt them as much as it used to.

Fuck off ironic weeb.

Amazon is going to murder them. Netflix is on its deathbed.

How can I become a shill like you?

The future looking amazing.

Those titles are all big brand names in their industry though. Same with the studios and creators they choose to work with mostly being well known or associated with high quality.

Stop bringing e-celebs to Sup Forums.

>Netflix
Too much ideology.

Better enjoy the Sup Forums you love now because this place is gonna become Sup Forums soon enough.

>Those titles are all big brand names in their industry though

But they aren't really mainstream, so that puts them to being cult hit material instead. That doesn't necessarily mean they were doing bad, cult following can vary in size and financial investment by a lot.

People have been saying that for a decade, ever since Sup Forums stopped being popular here.

>Using Netflix at all
>Not using superior *Insert your favorite fansub here*

Anime is going mainstream now. You can't stop it.

Anime was mainstream in the 90s.

But it has been for years user.

To suggest that a few projects lasting longer would be equivalent to 40 shows is being wilfully stupid.

>Of course, I meant, they would force them to portray lgbt in a different manner than how they do right now.

Sunrise could do it, think about all the possibilities of another yuri boom with Netflix

>starving japanese animators
>starving japanese
>japanese animators
>starving animators

Pick none.

Japanese always starve themselves regardless of how rich/poor they are.

Japanese don't have animators left. Modern animators are just "creators" of content. They are well off and never stave.

The people who actually do the animaton are more tech geeks than true animators. Other hand drawing is exported to korea, china, or seamonkeys to do.

>paying for media
>netflix
How much do they pay you to do "viral" advertising on chans?

Not a reason to shit up the board. Go back to Sup Forums.

Why is this blatant shill thread still up?

It's simple maths. I'm sorry if you aren't capable of that.

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How can someone be so sure of himself while saying stuff he has no idea about?
Shut the fuck up

Because it's not a shill thread.

Because your average Sup Forumsnon is not dumb enough to pay for Netflix.

Mods aren't up. A blog thread just went to archive too.

>They are well off and never stave.
They work all day and then sleep a bit and earn like 30$ a week

This. You guys always fall for the starving animators meme. No shit, doing low end work gives low pay. Globalization will work its magic if supply falls too much while the important key frames will still be done in Japan.

They're tend to invest in the biggest franchises and best names (within that sci-fi, fantasy, action, violence) when making their anime generally that's all I am saying. They're targeting a specific young adult kind of audience that is likely to be more amenable to watch this shit for the most part.

>people are still quoting that shitty Shirobako meme

It's simply math that 3 or 4 projects being given three or four months longer to work on production is equivalent to producing 40 shows? You're being stupid.

Yes, I'm sure they would totally do that instead of working part time at Mcdonalds and gaining three times that money

>It's simply math that 3 or 4 projects being given three or four months longer to work on production
Does not equate 20 times the budget?
Why yes, it is.
Try again.

>The pay/hours change depending on who you are and what your job is. The best position (which only the best of the best can manage) is "freelance genga-man aka freelance key-frame animator" ... you can demand your own prices and actually take time off after project if you want. For everyone else (and definitely for inbetween artists like me), its as bad as the rumors. I worked at a slave-labor-inbetween-studio called "nakamura pro" for 8 months before moving onto Pierrot which is where I am now. At Nakamura pro we were paid $1 per drawing, meaning you earned between $5 and $25 a day. At Pierrot it`s way better... but still pretty bad. 1 drawing = $2-$4 .... so on any given day I can earn about $40. (HORRIBLE by anyone's standards.... but, if you want to work on cool anime, there's not much choice.)

The point is that there's a limited pool of talented animators and that any show with 20 times the budget as your average jap production is inevitably gonna draw heavily from that pool

> inbetweeners

>be a nip
>get paid little money to do something that you love in the industry that you love

They could easily gef a different shit-paying job that they hate. These people choose to do what they do. Stop feeling sorry for them.

Crunchyroll on suicide watch

Sure, except the examples I gave aren't exactly franchises for young adults, they are all products of late 80's to early 90's so they ride on "nostalgia" more than anything. Ask a 20-something years old dude what does he think about Blame! or Dark Crystal and he doesn't know what you're talking about. Ask the same from people who are starting to hit their 30's and you might find fans among them.

early 2000's weeaboos don't recognize any of those.

>zero-skill monkey labor pays like shit
More news at 11

They are targeting exactly the audience that thinks that modern anime is all shit and that old anime was all OVAs.

>They could easily gef a different shit-paying job that they hate. These people choose to do what they do. Stop feeling sorry for them.

People feel sorry for the sad state in the industry when the quality drops because an animator gets paid less than a cleaning lady.

How do you think studios make profit? On the difference between the budget they get for animation and the amount they spend on production.

The problem is that if you want to become an animator, you HAVE to start with that zero-skill monkey labor. Wich is why many people leave the industry after the first year.

There's no evidence those shows are paying animators any more. In fact Japanese animators have been tweeting that they don't benefit from Netflix at all.