Fate Zero is better than Stay Night

Fate Zero is better than Stay Night.

And yes, I've read the VN.

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I agree

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Why are you making a thread just to brag about being wrong?

they both suck so what does it matter which sucks less

The best thing to come out of Fate are these bait images.

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Nah that's impossible. Nothing can beat the original VN. IYou probably didn't read the VN properly. Go back and read it again and then you'll see why it's the best.

The fsn and zero are of different genres and target audiance. It's pointless to compare them.

Literally any other Fate is better than SN

Don't read it at mach 45 user

I agree, but people are allowed to think otherwise
The last couple of episodes of the anime were true kino

Can't wait for Strange Fake animation

I like both and yes ive read the VN.

This series is shit and you all are shitters for liking or discussing about it.

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>dude its a strange fake so i can summon the concept of death lol

It's better than Fate, worse than both UBW and HF.

UBW is pretty fucking bad though

>muh suit saber
>muh tragic background
>muh adults
>muh broskander
>muh edge
>muh BEST ANIMU FIGHTS EVAR

fuck off

Pretty creative and adds something new to the plate desu senpai

It's better than stupid shit like apocrypha with MUH 14 SERVANTS AND 14 MASTERS + FRIENDS

Also the story is actually good

>muh waifus
>muh cooking
>muh epic redman
>muh hero of justice
>muh flipflopping gil

well it's written by the author of baccano so it's probably going to end up the best Fate material

i enjoy the rest of what i read which is why that part just shits me

it's not really the concept of death, more like the personification of the plague

Well, duh.

Fate/Zero was a damn good show, everything from op to ed was well done and felt like a fucking man's show for once, it wont ever be done like this again remember

your opinion only counts if you read fate stay night in Japanese desu

Literally nobody but deranged VN elitists that try to cling to their hipster status.

Zero was insanely popular, critically well-received, and is what catapulted Fate into the spotlight (for better or for worse).

I like both SN and Zero, but I like SN just a bit more because of Heaven's Feel.

I fail to see the problem.

>Waifushit >fujoshit
>Cooking > """""taste of slsughter""""
>Redman = best servant
>Hero of justice
Zero had it too
>Flipflopping Gil
It's just a jobber king put in his place.

Obligatory classic.

Zero was popular because Ufotable and production value. If It was just a shitty adaptation made by A-1, it wouldn't have gathered half of the attention. The LN didn't when it was released, which only shows the story was nothing special.

>and is what catapulted Fate into the spotlight

That was GO though.

>Fate Zero is better than Stay Night.
Kill yourself zero ba-

>And yes, I've read the VN.
I disagree but respect your opinion. Have a good day.

>read
absolutely go the fuck back to whatever shithole you came from

Can we go back to before Fate was in the spotlight then?

If Fate ended up being mainstream because of Zero it'd be a fujo franchise. At least the mainstream GO brought, brought along top tier doujin artists so that's a good thing at least. Enjoy the porn.

GO doujins are literally quantity over quality. I have browsed at least 1000 and there are barely any good ones

Sort by popular ones on n hentai.

"The Hero of Justice" thing is fucking bullshit and I only like Zero more because the story is told by different perspectives.

I believe Strange Fake anime will bring back the glorious Zero-tier Fate threads on Sup Forums.

hopefully. Wouldn't SF require case files first, though

Which Fate have the best selling LNs anyway?

>Wouldn't SF require Case Files
No. The sole thing that a viewer needs to accept or know is that Waver is older, and that goes without saying.

it would be good with some more Flat before though

how buttmad will Sup Forums be

No thanks.

I don't know but it's most likely Zero since it has actual ties with the main story.

Sure, but Apocrypha has also already shown Flat. If the purpose is just to introduce the groundwork for the character, that's already been done.

Not at all, because it's not a fight? That entire 'fight' sequence is about one page long. Those who have heard of the scene only in terms of it being hyped as some sort of "GIL BTFO" moment will be severely disappointed, if that's what you mean.

What is there about Zero that's Fujobait though?

Kirei and Gilgamesh, Kirei and Kiritsugu, Tokiomi and Kariya, Tokiomi and Gilgamesh, Kayneth and Diarmuid, Ryuunosuke and Gilles, Waver and Iskandar.

so? I read the VN too and FZ is still shit,

even japan doesn't like it too

What the fuck. Just because male characters interact doesn't mean they have to be having anal sex too. Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.

Fujobait doesn't mean the characters have to bang each other in-canon.
>Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.
You underestimate fujos.

Mad about what? It's not like Gil gets wrecked here. Even if he did though he's not popular at all on Sup Forums so if anything people would be happy

I will die before LN even finished.

Waver literally gets an erection in the novels when sleeping next to Iskandar

>I don't know how fujos work
Poor little user. Go check what the majority of the F/Z doujins are about. Sort it for date and not popularity.

>Literally nobody would look into any of their relationships like that besides you.

Ahahahahahahaha

>He thinks suit saber riding on a motorcycle was bad
How can someone have such garbage taste?

This. Having to sit through Stay Night's story through Shirou's perspective 90% of the time was bloody torture.

it was stupid because riding skill somehow could transform the bike and also make it ride faster than it's mechanical limitations

Rider on bicycle was better.

Yeah, this. There was magic in the original, but it didn't do stupid shit like make Gil have a UFO mount or let Berserker ride a fucking plane. Zero was retarded.

Gil's plane thing is sound enough, since he has literally everything in his arsenal, the design is just stupid.
Lancelot is fine too because he can turn everything into his NP

The problem with shit like fate/zero and apoc is its just literally DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO and thats it. It's fucking boring. The fun of the VN was the mystery of the holy grail war, finding out who has what, the worldbuilding and it's place in the nasuverse, and an interesting protag.

to be fair, FZ has a pretty strong setup. It's just the middle-part that's a bit lacking. The start and ending are great

UBW is abysmal

That's not mainstream. There were innumerable Tsukihime and F/SN doujins made over 10 years ago back when none of it was "mainstream." Fates mainsteam now because normalfags started talking about it after Fat/Zero was released.

All she did was put her magic plate armour on the bike and used Prana Burst.

>literally DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO and thats it. It's fucking boring
Fuck off. The only reason Fate was so appealing and popular in the first place was because it had historic/legendary figures across all ages fighting each other. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

premise =/= product

We're talking about what made it good, not popular. Your run of the mill normie would certainly find the premise appealing, but let's be serious, powepoint fight scenes weren't F/SN's strong point. It was character development and mystery.

>better than Stay Night

It's not like the bar is high.

Zero is chuuni done right. Yes it's a good show.

>character development and mystery
Well, and the themes.
The main problem with fanfiction like Apocrypha is it's just a generic fantasy novel set in the Nasuverse.
It doesn't have interesting themes tying the story together

The final scene of HF is the be-all-end-all argument against regards who think zero is better than the VN.

Not just for the premise of Shirou vs Kirei, but their motives for fighting and the way they convey that (I.e. Kirei fighting for his wish of setting angers mainyu free for his own curiosity/happiness, and shirou fighting for his own desires instead of kiritsugu's desires finally). I'm really hoping they don't fuck that scene in the movies just to make it appeal more to the normalfag crowd.

Meanwhile zero is just "OH I DONT LIKE THIS GUY KIREI AND HE DOESNT LIKE ME SO WE GON HAVE A FIGHT IN SOME EMPTY UNDERGROUND PARKING LOT HURRRRR"

Fuck zero secondaries.

most FZ vs FSN arguments have the FSN side take UBW as the main route

Hopefully the HF movies will give those dumbasses some taste.

Reminder that SF is just power wank fanfiction tier trash with no substance.

It's the true and canon ending after all

>unlike Kirei, I have a goal
fuck me that fight has gotta be the best climax of anything i've read
it really encapsulates Shirou's development over the whole novel

That's because most FZ vs FSN arguments are between anime-only teenagers who wouldn't dare read an...

...oh no...

...an...

...EROGE???!?!?

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it can't really get much worse than Fate route and UBW

>Zerofags
>Grand Orderfags
>Side storyfags
>Secondaries
Milking was a mistake.

>"OH I DONT LIKE THIS GUY KIREI AND HE DOESNT LIKE ME SO WE GON HAVE A FIGHT IN SOME EMPTY UNDERGROUND PARKING LOT HURRRRR"

Its fine and all to prefer Kirei vs Shirou over Kiritsugu vs Kirei but to write the latter off as just "Hurr Durr" like a retard makes it difficult to take you seriously.

who /extra/ here

Extella a shit satan. A big bad Fucking shit.
Not as bad as the adventures of dragon dick, but pretty Fucking bad.
CCC was some seriously good shit though.

FZ sold more than any other series of the franchise.

Seriously, how do people not reading it in moonspeak defend the VN. The translation is like putting your dick into a blender.

Sup Forums and anime fans in general don't seem to actually care about decent translations

Fuck wormslut

That's Sup Forums in general though. People here actively WANT shitty overly literal "direct" translations, it applies to not only most VNs but also most anime and especially manga fansubs.

I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that they may not be able to read at all.

I think no one gives much of a shit because it's so fucking long that no one expects a god tier translation

>an interesting protag
Shiroufags are the most delusional fatefags.

Long stretches of awful writing aren't equal to short stretches of good writing. Why would you read something awfully written AND long?

You know.
If UBW actually had a real climax that wasn't just Gil jobbing again it would hold up better against HF.
I never understod why HF had to have 3 big bad antagonists (Saber Alter, Zeno and Kirei) while UBW just got a worse version of Gil that for some reason tried even less then he already did in S/N.
HF has so many parts that could be a whole route by itself, it really isn't fair to put anything else up against it.

Still i will take Archer and Shirous interaction over anything in HF except Kirei.
HF Shirou wouldn't even be half as good without the self loath and suffering we know await him in an alternative reality