Serious discussion thread. Please leave your retarded politics, pro or anti Trump, at the door.
So. Gates has flipped, and that puts Mueller one move away from Manafort. If Manafort flips, put a fork in the president, because he's done.
Questions if this happens.
Will he try to pardon Manafort?
If not, will he try to fire Mueller?
If not, and he actually lets all this roll through, will the GOP protect him or dump him as an asset that has outlived its usefulness?
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the russian shitposters will be brought to justice
You have to actual have shit to flip with. Mueller just got another no name yesterday.
This. You don’t dare criticize hIllary, not in my country, Ivan.
Assuming this reading of events is correct though - and Hayes was Manafort's deputy, so there's certainly no reason to suppose he's a nobody - what do you think happens next?
Rod shot his load with the 13 Russians. You always lead with your strongest case. A couple more nobodies may get pinched for white collar crimes, but that’s it.
Stop using "flips" as a synonym for "gives perjured testimony.". "flips" means break faith with someone and tell what really happened. There was no crime committed, so there is nothing to "flip". This Mueller nonsense is just ridiculous, no one except delusional, low IQ leftists believes it. Trump is President, for 7 more years. Once he declares the day of the rope, leftists will have considerably less than 7 years left. More like 7 hours until they are all gone.
That's the exact opposite of how a criminal investigation works.
Personally I think he'll go the pardon route. Trump is way too alpha to let it get as far as impeachment without a fight.
Drink your kool aid in a different thread, please.
Liberals are always good for a laugh.
show your flag faggot
Tell me your opinion and I will.
>If Manafort flips, put a fork in the president, because he's done.
You're implying
A) Manafort's decade-old money laundering has anything to do with the 2016 campaign
B) Trump himself was party or privy to such laundering
I have a question what do you think trump has done that was illegal? I keep hearing impeach but it’s always about how much ice cream he eats and other legal things.
Just want the zionist piece of garbage out of office. I didn't think it was possible to regret voting for someone so much.
nobody flipped because there's nobody to flip on. they got caught for their own crimes and will either be pardoned or do their time. now show your flag, i know you won't
Nah, you are glad you voted for Hillary. Your pathetic attempt at pretending to be a Trump supporter fools no one. Maybe you are the smartest kid on that short bus, but you're the stupidest person here.
Chk. And correct.
Manafort links to Ukraine. 2004-2014.
Obama, HRC, Biden, Nuland, McCain are not going to want that rock turned over to daylight.
I haven't seen anything that has convinced me of colluding with Russian interference. I do think they'll nail him for money laundering though.
>That's the exact opposite of how a criminal investigation works.
nope. you take up a year and millions of tax dollars and you finally indict who you were gonna indict
who was 13 nobodies that organized an anti trump parade and posted this meme
>That's the exact opposite of how a criminal investigation works.
Investigations need support. You come out with weak shit and your support crumbles.
I can't vote for Hillary, Jack. In not American. I don't have a horse in this race.
Here's a clue: I do live in a third world country.
yep i knew you wouldn't show your flag shill faggot
sage and ignore this thread
t. shill
>in all fields
There's no evidence Trump laundered money with Manafort, who himself was involved more so with Tony Podesta at the time than DJT. I'm willing to bet you're Indian
Trump the candidate:
>Tariffs on China, tariffs on Mexico
>Iran is actually the one fighting ISIS
>Deport all illegal immigrants starting immediately
>I'll release what really happened on 9-11
Trump the president:
>Tariffs on one Canadian aircraft manufacturer
>Offered China the complete status quo for cooperation against North Korea, for reasons that don't make any sense except to butthurt kike faggots
>Billions worth of weapons delivered to Saudi Arabia by kike son-in-law to a faction who agreed to list the ARAMCO IPO on the NYSE to float the petrodollar a bit longer
>Full military alliance with shitskin Hindustanis and full access to White jobs and White wombs for their men because they are reliable lapdogs
>Officially recognizing Jerusalem for the kikes and establishing an official US military base there
>Still whining about Assad as he tries to steal that country's hydrocarbons for Genie Energy
>Going for slow-trickle erosion of gun rights in the wake of his second administration-sanctioned false flag after Las Vegas blew up in his and Adelson's faces.
He is so far past "worst case scenario" it's not even funny.
>161276965
your "koolaid" assumes guilt -- hence, the idea of "flipping," like he's a member of a mafia family.
you're wearing mirrored sunglasses at the poker table.
OK, let's play by your rules. It really makes no difference to me whether you believe the charges or not.
Let's assume that no crime took place, but that Manafort tells a convincing enough sob story to Mueller to get the president indicted. What does he do next?
India, btw? Isn't that second world?
Second World refers to the Soviet Union and formally allied states: Yugoslavia and the Warsaw Pact. First World was the US, Canada, and allied Western European states. Third world was non-aligned countries. Originally the terms had really nothing to do with ranking development tiers.
This. Tired of the bullshit process crime. The FBI is building "cases" against people for lying about shit that wasn't illegal lol.
Huh. I always assumed it was based on quality of life and shit. Does that mean places like Dubai are technically third world?
>It really makes no difference to me whether you believe the charges or not.
Are you just talking out of your ass now? There are no charges issued against Trump. The ones that are being issued are against Paul Manafort for crimes allegedly committed from 04-14 and have to deal with Ukraine
>Let's assume that no crime took place, but that Manafort tells a convincing enough sob story to Mueller to get the president indicted. What does he do next?
In what world does a sob story get someone indicted for things that never happened? There needs to be concrete evidence shown to a grand jury in order for an indictment to be issued, holy shit. Dumb foreigners pretending to know about US politics is really starting to piss me off, since you're clearly clueless
>India, btw? Isn't that second world?
Poland is second world m8
Not with the way the meaning has shifted, especially since the USSR doesn't even exist any more. If you want to use the older, original definition than you could say that.
Let me be perfectly clear
IN A COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION in which this were an accurate reading of events, what did you think Trump would do?
Here's a few more clues. We have a Muslim ruler, and I'm at work right now.
If Trump makes money for the IB community, no worries for him. Kushner is done with those loans
>IN A COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION in which this were an accurate reading of events, what did you think Trump would do?
You don't have a solid grasp on the events currently happening, ergo your entire hypothetical is shit. Though let me play along: If Trump was criminally involved for some reason in money laundering with Manafort and Podesta in Ukraine, he would have already pardoned anyone who could put him in the hot seat/shut the investigation down; as is his right as President. He hasn't done so
>Here's a few more clues. We have a Muslim ruler, and I'm at work right now.
I really could not give any less of a shit where you're from
Thanks for answering my question defensive lot, aren't you?
>Defensive
No, I'm just sick of ignorant foreigners thinking they have a valid opinion on US politics. At least try to understand the circumstances of what you're talking about before you spew shit
>If Manafort flips
He can't. He'll be dead. Putin will kill him, his family and everybody they know.
Putin is going to eventually release the blackmail he has on Trump no matter what happens here. The whole Administration is on borrowed time. The goal was to promote chaos, which Sup Forums played along with as fucking RussiaBot slaves...so this is just the beginning. Granted they thought Trump would lose too, which is why they planted the seeds of a rigged election...
Can't wait to see the pee tape.
I speculate he actually will end up resigning before Mueller can really nail him (possibly even before the midterms, to ensure Pence and the GOP remain in the White House). We've all seen him fight like hell so far, but looking at his numerous failed ventures like Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines, Trump University, etc he knows when it's time to gtfo and these Russian indictments appear to be just the tip of the spear. The timing was strategic: it will be nigh impossible to remove the Special Counsel, who is still investigating Russian election interference mind you, going forward.
The only issue is if any obstruction of justice charges remain sealed to hit him after resignation, luckily Pence will be able to pardon him (I doubt Trump would actually care about pleading guilty tbqh) The shit talking on Twitter will not end though, fortunately.
>Can't wait to see the pee tape
Did you read the golden shower thing? It literally reads like a greentext story
I don't really have an opinion. I was interested in an American perspective, because I don't really know what the consequences would be for any of the options I laid out. I went out of my way to be as neutral as possible, and still had to reword it twice to avoid offending your sensibilities, and even then you had to get in an AS IS HIS RIGHT AS PRESIDENT parting shot.
"Alright! Maybe he would try to pardon Manafort! But it wouldn't be because he's done anything wrong, b-baka!"
Have I rumbled you? Is Sup Forums tsundere fort Trump-sempai?
Trump is a "useful idiot," his campaign kept him in the dark so they could monetize the campaign and election to the max. Nobody ever thought Americans were stupid enough to actually ELECT Trump. So while it did huge damage to America, it also backfired in a way for Russia and Trump's cocksuck crew.
They were looking to make money. Not history.
Trump might pull of a Nixon-esque "Saturday night massacre" because the Congress is filled with sycophants and cowards. We're talking about people who REEEEEEd for DECADES about Clinton fucking Lewinsky literally getting multiple stories of Trump banging pornstars and models while Melania just had Barron.
>If Manafort flips, put a fork in the president, because he's done.
You're the one who started this off with absolutes, either your grasp on English is poor or you went into this topic with the preset that Trump was guilty in some form. I added that line at the end since you don't seem to understand US politics
>Serious discussion
>Meme flag
no
you know that you have to admit guilt for the crime you're being pardoned for to actually get a pardon, right? Imagine the shenanigans that will be unleashed if the president pardons an actual, admitted criminal (unlike Arpaio, who barely even committed a misdemeanor iirc)
The party of law and order (and bumpstock grabbing) strikes again! lel
OK, that's fair enough. My bad. You're still being a total snowflake about it, though.
I think the two stories about the Porn actress and the Playboy Model being so consistent with each other, including the hush money he paid for fear of blackmail makes the PEE TAPE more real every day. Plus Trump's own admission of trying to fuck married women and sexual assault, plus the bodyguards admission that Trump was offered girls at every turn during the Miss Universe pageant.
Trump condems and shit talks EVERY BODY but Putin & Russia. It's all coming together. It's not like people didn't support him because he WASN'T a giant fucking scumbag.
Nice fan fiction. I love seeing you people set yourself up for disappointment like this.
Contempt of court. It's not technically a felony or a misdemeanor. The way the law treats it is closer to misdemeanor, though.
Interesting point about a pardon being essentially an admission of guilt though. Someone was making a similar point last month about taking the fifth being an amusing that you do not wish to incriminate yourself for a specific criminal offence which you have committed.
Amusing=admission
Trump will try to last until 2020, declare victory and bow out to not run again. His supporters will eat his shit, get shot in the face, whatever.
When Jared and Don Jr. get indicted it's over.
Trump is so fucking pimp that if the pee tape is real, he'll be like "Check out these supermodels peeing on me. I made them all cum seventy times each, and the hotel staff gave me a standing ovation."
And you'll LOVE IT.
>his campaign kept him in the dark so they could monetize the campaign and election to the max
If this were the case it'd show the same kind of """"gross negligence"""" that got HRC off with her email scandal. Like it or not it'd be a glaring double standard in the eyes of most GOPers
>Trump might pull of a Nixon-esque "Saturday night massacre" because the Congress is filled with sycophants and cowards.
This is implying that Trump himself or the 2016 campaign is guilty of anything, which hasn't been the case. A lot of this is prefaced on hearsay and allegations compiled during DNC opposition research
>We're talking about people who REEEEEEd for DECADES about Clinton fucking Lewinsky literally getting multiple stories of Trump banging pornstars and models while Melania just had Barron.
The Lewinsky scandal was pants-on-head, if Clinton hadn't publicly lied then the GOP would've had no reason to throw a tantrum
You're relying on hearsay and circumstance to try and draw connections where they appear to not exist, don't you see how dumb it is? All this kind of rhetoric does is damage the public perception of the Democratic party
My attitude is shit because this is such a trite topic
I'll laugh. Not a fan of peeing though.
But you're right that Republicans in Congress, the bible-thumpers etc. will go full denial mode and ignore it. Trump can shoot them in the face, like he said, even with a stream of piss.
Trump has increasingly become more and more a punchline. No sign of that changing.
We can produce real evidence of DNC crimes. There is 0 evidence of RNC electoral fraud.
Like I said, it's just speculation, based on him freaking out at nearly every turn of this. It's certainly possible he did literally nothing with the Russians (that meeting at Trump tower, Papadopalous, Flynn and Papadopalous just coincidentally lying about their dealings with Russia, Manafort's ties to Russian oligarchs and coincidental removal of defending Ukraine from the 2016 GOP platform, etc etc...), but that seems increasingly unlikely.
I mean, IF he and/or his campaign did knowingly conspire with the Russian gov't to receive illegal aid from them to tip the election in their favor, do you think they could successfully cover it up from the FBI: yes or no?
Must be a leaf
>acting as though most Americans wouldn't be pleased to see top officials from both parties go to prison
please, please leak it if you're not just sperging at us
whoops, added an extra Papadopalous, cause you just can't get enough lel
>There is 0 evidence of RNC electoral fraud.
FL 2000 would like to have a couple hundred words with you, lad
>Like it or not it'd be a glaring double standard in the eyes of most GOPers
Who cares. They lost by 3 million votes. There's no Electoral College in Congress.
>This is implying that Trump himself or the 2016 campaign is guilty of anything,
Implying? There have numerous indictments and plea deals. Who cops a plea when they're innocent? What are you on about?
>The Lewinsky scandal was pants-on-head, if Clinton hadn't publicly lied then the GOP would've had no reason to throw a tantrum
I think we've seen that the current GOP are complete hypocrites: From sex scandals, to being worried about government spending. It's a Elitist Economic Concept (mostly tax cuts for the richest) disguised as a political party. Jokes on them though, because there are many, many super-rich Democrats.
If Obama had fucked a pornstar while his wife was pregnanat and then paid her hush money to avoid blackmail...they would have tried to ACTUALLY lynch him. They're complete phonies.
>You're relying on hearsay and circumstance to try and draw connections where they appear to not exist,
No, the money and documents on the Stormy Daniels are official. Trump's lawyer admitted to "facilitating" the payment.
>All this kind of rhetoric does is damage the public perception of the Democratic party
The Dems legit flipped a KY seat tonight in an 86 point swing (Belcher vs. Johnson). That's the 37th flip in 1 year... Trump is the best thing to happen to them.
What about that woman who was arrested for voting for Trump twice
you're wasting your time user, if people can't see the smoke already it's because they don't want to.
We have the same issue with Brexit. One of the billionaires who told everyone that it would be so good for British jobs is now opening a new car plant in Germany.
If the poor loves can't see that they've been hoodwinked by this point, there's no fucking helping them.
I think the fact that an army of Trumpkins didn't assault me shows that even they can see this shit is going to get worse before it gets better. You can "meme-magic" and COINTELPRO each other all you want but reality will be reality in the end. My guess is they can sense the fear from Trump and know it's for real.
lol
>Who cares. They lost by 3 million votes. There's no Electoral College in Congress
3 million votes confined to CA, an already solidly blue state, what's your point?
>Implying? There have numerous indictments and plea deals. Who cops a plea when they're innocent? What are you on about?
One person does not a campaign make. You understand benefiting from something is different to being a knowing and willing participant? The people who've been slapped with indictments had their own issues unrelated to Trump and the campaign at large (Papadopoulos for lying to the FBI, Flynn for inappropriate contact with Russians/Turks, Manafort for money laundering years ago)
>I think we've seen that the current GOP are complete hypocrites: From sex scandals, to being worried about government spending. It's a Elitist Economic Concept (mostly tax cuts for the richest) disguised as a political party. Jokes on them though, because there are many, many super-rich Democrats
I'm not disagreeing both the DNC and RNC are contemptible and Washington is filled with showmen
>No, the money and documents on the Stormy Daniels are official. Trump's lawyer admitted to "facilitating" the payment.
This is circumstance
>The Dems legit flipped a KY seat tonight in an 86 point swing (Belcher vs. Johnson). That's the 37th flip in 1 year... Trump is the best thing to happen to them.
Honestly I think Russia is a red herring, focusing on it won't do Dems any good come November. Best to drop the issue until something worthwhile comes up, if it ever does. Constantly harping on and blowing out of proportion every little thing only serves to numb people
I don't think Trump is scared. All the leaks coming from people close to him paint him as being utterly confident that Mueller can't touch him.
Either that means he's completely innocent, his lawyers are still spinning him a yarn to keep him from doing something potentially regrettable, or he's 100% confident that Manafort won't betray him.
If it's that last one, he's in for a rude awakening. The information currently on public recording regarding what Mueller plans to hit Manafort with indicates that he'd be looking at running out of cash long before he was done defending himself, and then he'd be looking at the rest of his natural life behind bars.
If they ever being Trump down, I think the thing that will be his undoing is that there's not a person alive outside his biological facility that would take the fall for him.
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manafort is done.
He wants the early trial so the donald can pardone him, since he is worried that congress will flip back to dem control in the midterms and give trump a real chance at impeachment.
The real question here is - does manafort flip and save his own ass ? He is a pretty self serving guy.
By the way Manafort & Roger stone basically created the swamp (money & influence in elections) quite the facepalm that they ran Trump on draining the swamp.
I too think that assuming the blue wave is coming could spell doom for the left. Getting cocky is what landed the dems in this mess in the first place.
Context: we have a truckload of evidence that the DNC and it's operatives are involved in both electoral crimes, fraud, sedition, and espionage. We have a small amount of information showing that RNC operatives have done the same since the recent Presidential election.
The DNC is toast.
I don't believe you. There's no way they'd be sitting on it if they could prove it. That's not tinfoil, that's just common sense.
If you smell toast, it isn't coming from the DNC.
Holy shit that lady did it. She gave them REVOLUTION cookies which kept them going for months against a murderous corrupt government.
The three main drives of the Russian troll farm are to destabilize the west, to make us all think that our political opponents are evil frothing at the mouth idiots that we will never understand or be able to talk to, and to destroy faith in the democratic process. To that third end, if there was evidence on either side of electoral fraud - not gerrymandering and voter suppression but actual cheating - they'd be all over it like flies on shit.
Even if you don't believe in Russian psyops, that's before you even before you consider what the MSM would do with it. Breitbart, Fox, MSNBC and CNN would all hit their own dicks with hammers to be able to prove that the other side had their hand in the ballot box.
I can picture the face Mika would make while Joe Scarborough was hitting his dick with the hammer. She'd do that lemon sucking expression while shaking her head at the floor that she does.
From the DNC I smell shit, sedition, and high treason. We can start with paying thugs to violently disrupt peaceful political rallies.
That's on fucking video you piece of shill.
I want it to happen; I want the Dems to inflate themselves with so much hot air that they pop. The only reason I joined the GOP was because I felt the party was ripe for a takeover. When Trump began beating Jeb! I knew he was the guy to do so. He's essentially a 70's Manhattan Democrat, but since the Reagan era, the two parties have not differed from each other save their respective hot-button wedge issues, which only serve to atomize the public. I want the Democrats to implode come November and leading into 2020, because then I join the newly destroyed party as an upstart
A lot of us are disappointed by Trump himself desu
I like the shitposting but I would have preferred if he'd actually accomplished his campaign goals
This Trump just shitposts then lets China rail us over
And remember: no wall. Its 2018 already
You know Trumpsters are fucked when they start defending fucking Manafort and Stone
>No, I'm just sick of ignorant foreigners thinking they have a valid opinion on US politics.
there are no ignorant foreigners. the american empire gets everywhere and becomes everyone's business.
Personally I'm a bit left of center, and I can say with confidence that parties who represent themselves as representing minorities or the common people always pull this shit, and it always comes back to bite their bum.
You know how dems would go into minority communities by parachuting in a face who'd basically say "Well of COURSE you're not going to vote repub, are you?" Well, the Labor Party in Britain used to do exactly the same thing to the Scottish. Drive up from London once per election cycle, wag their finger and say "And don't you DARE fucking let us catch you voting SNP, because YOU'LL LET THE TORIES IN!"
It took a long time for the Scots to catch on, but when they finally did the anti-Labour backlash was so servere that the British press called it The Red Wedding. (Red is left and blue is right here.) Stealing food from the poor is the sin of the right; assuming that the food will just be handed to them is the sin of the left.
I'm going to be very interested to see how Americans feel when the tax returns come in next year.
Manafort was around for about only a month. If he gets nailed it's going to be for flipping on the Clintons. Given the volume of leaks coming out of the Trump campaign and early presidency, I don't think there's any information or evidence that the public doesn't already know.
A month? Trump says it was three. (It was six.)
Leafs aren't foreigners, unless you're not actually Canadian
>the american empire gets everywhere and becomes everyone's business.
So when China buys US meat companies suddenly Chinese meat standards becomes my business? Not organizing to boycott such a transaction in the first place?
I think the left-right dichotomy is a false one entirely. It's a bit different here now that the reigns of Empire have passed from London to Washington. The Federal government has been slowly consolidating its power and driving us into massive debts on behalf of its owners. The two party system is a tool of distraction and is the political equivalent to bread and circus. I remember hearing some pundit back in 2010/11 saying that the US Presidency was in terms of power and prestige the successor to the British Monarchy, which reminded me of that quote by Mayer Rothschild
>"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!"
That was my first "red-pill"