Hey Sup Forums, how is the mutt-ethnostate doing this evening? So I had a gun debate with one of your buddies on the_drumpf yesterday, (yes i know you like to pretend that the_drumphf isn't just an extension of Sup Forums, but we all see right through that) and I absolutely massacred him. Of course he had to resort to calling me a stink hand nigger kike once it became apparent that he couldn't beat me in debate, and an amateur insult at best. But that has always been the problem with conservatives, its all an appeal to emotion, no logic, reasoning, or facts, that's what appeals to poorly educated rural tards. So I decided, why not just bring the discussion here, at least now you'll have the hive mind advantage and poorly revised memes that you stole from the Reddit community to spam up the thread with.
So our debate went a little like this:
guntard: I enjoy hunting >You don't need a magazine or bump stock to hunt, you don't need an assault rifle to hunt. If its all about the sport go black powder hunting, or go bow hunting, linking 20 rounds 300 yards into a heard of defenseless animals isn't sport guntard: I enjoy guns for recreation >Is your hobby worth more than the lives of 30,000 people a year, thats rather self centered of you, there are plenty of alternative out doors hobbies >Is the loss of one hobby really comparable to the loss of 17 beautiful children that just wanted to go to school and get an education? guntard: I depend on them for self defense >Against who, others with guns? If there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against >Pepper spray, a Taser, a baseball bat would all suffice as protection against any would be intruder
guntard: Chicago has strict gun laws and they have terrible gun violence! >Because they steal them from careless gun owners that buy them legally, if there were no legal guns there would be no guns to steal and therefor no gun violence in Chicago >Australia is a prime example of what can be achieved when proper gun bans are put in place guntard: They're a deterrent against an over reaching government that would have absolutely no barrier without the fear of rebellion >Lul, like you would ever take up arms against a well trained soldier anyway, your life is worth too much to you, adrenaline would get the best of you, they're too powerful, more advanced, better trained, and have more resources at their expense >You can always tell the argument is coming to an end when they pull this argument out in a debate about their need to own an assault rifle >Tanks, air power, nukes >Australia is disarmed, how come they're not a socialist commie marxist country now that wants to take your land and your children? guntard: Well, all that doesn't matter because its my right! >The constitution isn't written in stone, it is subject to amendment as public opinion changes, or unforeseen circumstances present themselves >The ability to amend the Bill of Rights was left open as an option for a reason >The founders never envisioned 200 million assault rifles floating around guntard: But they were equal to what the military had at the time >Oh, I see your logic, we should also be able to buy miniguns, and rocket launchers, and mortars too, gotta defend against muh spooky guberment
Can you faggots do any better"
Nicholas Walker
NIGGER
Gavin Torres
Nigger
Carter Mitchell
...
Carter Johnson
Negroid
Nathaniel Cruz
...
Robert Stewart
oh shut up do you even understand the second amendment remotely ?
>muh hunting >muh recreation >muh self defence
the second amendment is to prevent government tyranny you stupid troll. THE GOVERNMENT HAS FUCKING GUNS, PLENTY OF AR15'S AT THAT Debate won, funny how that works right?
Michael Taylor
Where is Australia's tyranny?
Julian Miller
Okay.
Leo Ramirez
DEFINE TYRANNY, I literally just defined the version of tyranny that is set out in the 2nd amendment?
government force through the use of fire arms and militia, citizens have the right to everything the government has a right too.
what the fuck is ur argument ? we're talking about the USA
>muh assault rifle Doesn’t exist >is your hobby more than x number of lives Emotional argument >anti gun laws magically get rid of guns The drug war and prohibition prove otherwise
Gabriel Butler
he doesn't understand that lmao
Evan Garcia
Don't tell people how to hunt. No real hunter pumps countless rounds into their prey, that would defeat the purpose. If they do they are surely a small minority.
The 30,000 number is for total deaths including suicide, so it is not reflective of true gun violence deaths.
Rights>security
The Americans who revolted went against highly trained soldiers of the British army, who possessed far greater weaponry and had higher numbers.
The idea that the majority could strip the minority of their rights is exactly why the Founding Father's didn't intend for the Bill of Rights to be changed. Arguing that they were ok with the Bill of Rights being changed in the future is naive. Also arguing that they didn't forsee advancement in gun technology is weak.
Just because you argue someone incapable of making well thought out points doesn't mean that the opposing argument is itself poor and unsupported.
Jonathan Ortiz
post screenshot or it didn't happen you fucking liar
Mason Miller
thank u guys now I can leave.
Carter Stewart
Negre.
Bentley Gomez
>>Oh, I see your logic, we should also be able to buy miniguns, and rocket launchers, and mortars too, gotta defend against muh spooky guberment
Yes.
Anthony Reed
SHALL NOT
Liam Hernandez
Got your back brother
Jayden Foster
Honestly we're just making all of this AR-15 shit mainstream and buy all these fun accessories like 30 round magazines so Niggers will pick up their game and the Chicago weekend high scores will get much higher. Far too many niggers survive being shot so we're mainstreaming better weapons for them.
Connor Sanchez
>Lul, like you would ever take up arms against a well trained soldier anyway, your life is worth too much to you, adrenaline would get the best of you, they're too powerful, more advanced, better trained, and have more resources at their expense Vietnamese guerilla fighters and towelhead troglodytes say otherwise
Nathaniel Walker
negro
Lucas Gray
>democratically elected officials passing policies the majority support >muh tyranny!
Why do you need a militia? Most nations of the world have strict gun laws and no militia, where is all the tyranny at?
Bentley Price
ask the abos
Oliver Gray
>my homemade machine gun
Josiah Garcia
You did it wrong.
John King
Against a foreign government thats own population was against the war.
Carter King
The majority supporting a law does not necessarily make the law any more just or correct. That's why the Constitution exists, to protect the possible minority from majority oppression.
Asher Martinez
>NIGGA KNOWS NO ART.
Henry Peterson
I'd really like to see aired on tv a battle between professional soldiers and the average american, who is so obese and retarded that he can't even pull a trigger. Your country is such a great fucking meme
Brody Robinson
>thats own population was against the war. Your implication is that the American population WOULD support a war against its own citizens? That statement is false by its own terms
Owen Bailey
>If there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against
criminals get guns so...
Jayden White
>well trained soldier
Wyatt Roberts
One of two things is happening here:
1. They don't pay you enough to LARP
2. They're paying whoever it is that brainwashed you just enough for you to be this massive of a retard
Bentley Myers
No 'condolences' were in the pipeline.
I've got a nice fresh 'kill yourself' ready to go for you though.
Evan Baker
>The constitution isn't written in stone, it is subject to amendment as public opinion changes, or unforeseen circumstances present themselves Shall not be infringed >The ability to amend the Bill of Rights was left open as an option for a reason Again, shall not be infringed >The founders never envisioned 200 million assault rifles floating around I’m sure the innovators, scientists, and intellectuals that wrote the American constitution couldn’t foresee the day that a weapon that shoots more than one round (which already existed by the way, belton flintlock) at a time couldn’t possibly exist
Ian Torres
From where?
Joseph Young
>what is a black market?
Kayden Allen
Gun owners are more likely to kill themselves, usually succeeding the loss of their child to suicide, with a gun they themselves purchased.
Sebastian Barnes
I really want to hear how you explain this, but how exactly do you plan to take these guns and where do you plan to put them?
Don't mention Australia because the cultures are different and the reaction of the American gun owner would be far different.
Brandon Gonzalez
We have an unaccountable, completely incompetant government, tucked snugly inside the pockets of foreign entities (namely yours and China's) who would rather make everything imaginable under the sun illegal than actually govern and uses us as an endless source of revenue in the form of fines. They over-regulate small business to drive out local competition in favour of foreign, institute hate speech laws to silence our opinion on shithead foreigners who run ethnic criminal gangs and get caught taking bribes from the Chinese communist party with no fear of reprisal. Recently the grass that sits on top of the parliament house that symbolised the people being above the government has been barred off from public access. We are an international whore of a country, with a National law makers and an overbearing police force to remind us of our designated lot in life. Funny enough, this began to accelerate after taking our guns.
Why were there less "mass shootings" when there was no ban an automatic weapons and more violent crime in general?
Christopher Gutierrez
What were you doing on Reddit Shareblue? I thought they kicked your asses to the curb? Doing that slinking your way back in that the niggers do when they get caught getting jiggy with their 12 year old step daughter from Lactita?
Noah Foster
We should honor every shooting victim's last wishes of "HOLY SHIT! I WISH I HAD A FUCKING GUN TOO RIGHT NOW!"
Sebastian Bell
>Gun owners are more likely to kill themselves, usual The circle of life completes itself. Kind of a post birth abortion..... ... and you love abortion don't you??
Win-Win
Ryder Perry
Read all of that and let it sink in that out of most Western countries we are actually better off.
Ryan Collins
How different is the culture, they were spawned from the same empire? They are the same at just about every level of society. Buy back programs, strict enforcement, hefty penalty's including mandatory jail time. Give them to law enforcement to help with enforcement. Melt the rest down and recylce.
Bentley Butler
>yes i know you like to pretend that the_drumphf isn't just an extension of Sup Forums, but we all see right through that
you stupid faggot kys. The quality of shill has declined considerably. Sad!
Grayson Myers
>if there were no guns there would be nothing to defend against THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE SHILL BRAIN Yes, all it takes to pulverize guns out of existence is a law. Sage your ass, and stop bumping this shit retards
Lucas Cox
You don't understand. Confiscating firearms is a spark on the powderkeg that is the next American civil war. That's the end of the discussion.
Hunter Watson
do you know what guns are?money in the bank for companies. do you know what gdp is? or how gdp growth affects fiat currencies? yea i didnt think you did
its not just the guns its also the ammo and customization parts / kits and things like fancy cases and cleaning equipment. tagets
this is where all the children go to sleep so the adults can talk about the real world.
Ryder Jones
Short answer: legal gun owners dont commit the gun crime.
Michael Perry
6th in education 3rd in life expectancy 10th in infant mortality Lower crime and murder than even most European countries
>incompetent government
Daniel Cooper
First off, the cultures are not the same. The American culture is far more rebellious and our split from Britain and then Independence was a very bloody international affair. Also, saying that two countries come from the same mother country therefore they have the same culture is just weak.
Second point, the police taking the guns. Why are policemen, who we know still shoot innocent people and still commit crimes, any more qualified to own guns than the general population? Appeal to authority isn't going to work on me.
Benjamin Wright
Now thats a spin I havnt come across
buy the gun legally shoot up the school >shooting up a school isnt legal, not a legal gun owner
Justin Edwards
kek 90% of your arguments are opinion, faggot
Samuel Evans
UNODC murder rates >opinion
Xavier Ross
Respond to my counter on taking the guns lol
Dylan Morales
>poorly revised memes that you stole from the Reddit community what, are you apart of it dumbass?
>"muh guns r bad"
Nicholas Foster
Why are you such a raging faggot? Also, why are you trying to ban guns when people will just use alternative means to kill each other. Banning guns solves nothing, it just takes guns out of the hands of responsible individuals.
Chase Cox
That's not a counter on taking guns, its a counter on who should be taking them. Fine, we'll use the national guard, a well regulated militia.
David Ramirez
>I'd really like to see aired on tv a battle between professional soldiers and the average american Turn off your tv, Luigi. The Jew media doesn't do us any favors; in faxt they want you to hate us. Average Americans aren't like what's put thru your tube.
Andrew Nelson
Cite an incident where someone murdered 57 people in 10 minutes with a blade or blunt object. You really think Balitmore would have 20 knife murders each weekend?
Anthony Ortiz
So the state should take the guns? Why should we trust the state? Didn't the government use the national guard and military to invade foreign countries for little to no reason? Isn't the state responsible for the killing of innocents as well?
And arguing that the police or military is not more just to own guns than the people is not a bad argument. It is a question that must be addressed and subsequently debated.
Wyatt Gonzalez
Here’s this faggot. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack Also, smart ones will learn to use bombs, maybe chemicals. We could get a Britain situation with trucks of peace everywhere. We should be focusing on mental health, not gun control.
Hunter Lewis
Says the wop with a country filled with shitskins.
Lucas Powell
>homemade submachine guns >pressure cooker bombs >vehicles >diesel fuel/fertilizer >blunt objects >old bolt rifles/single shot shotguns >any unregistered gun or registered gun which escaped confiscation >IEDs These will still exist even if your utopian gun-free society pulls though
Joseph Evans
The national guard is comprised of civilians that are activated in times of emergency, war or their one weekend a month, one week a year. These same civilians own guns too, so they will have to give up their private owned guns before forcing the population (their brothers, fathers, cousins and friends) to give up their guns. Or, you know, they could say "No fuck off, kick me out." And they won't be a reservist anymore.
The only ones you could force to do it with threat of death or imprisonment are active duty military, and guess what? They have privately owned guns too!! You're a fucking moron!!
Hudson Nguyen
who are you to tell anyone anything? you're just some internet faggot?
Jackson James
Anons, please don't let these gun nuts distract you.The gun issue is a RED HERRING. It always has been. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether or not the AR-15 gets banned.
Islam, however, is what must be banned. Pic related.
Defeating Islam is the key. Islam is the "final boss."
Jordan Jenkins
>>The constitution isn't written in stone, it is subject to amendment as public opinion changes, or unforeseen circumstances present themselves >>The ability to amend the Bill of Rights was left open as an option for a reason Well, get on it dumbass, at least you admit you've lost until the constitutional convention, and good luck with that, LMAO
Jackson Davis
I don't really understand your arguments here its not my guns doing the killing lol
Xavier Cooper
Post a link to the thread, faggot. I wanna see your dumb ass getting owned.
Jonathan Sanders
you think these things are because of our government. Christ I don't think there's enough doc martins worn in the world for you to the lick shit off of.
Cooper Gray
a voting citizen of the country which we're talking about
Cameron Scott
Time for me to depart this thread, as it is clear OP has received his deserved ass whooping. Keep it up Sup Forums
Andrew Miller
Bait, I know.
but I'll humor the thread
>you can't argue without appealing to emotion >muh 30k/yr death toll hmmmmmm..........
Julian Clark
>If there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against Guns are the only way people are murdered, after all.
Ryder Martin
Context my man, context. Read the next line.
Henry Edwards
I’m gonna post these here for any interested. The posts may be out of order.
Thomas Ortiz
It still was the world’s most powerful military against fighters with vastly inferior weaponry, technology, and organization. The only major advantage that the Viet Congs had was population density and territory which they were familiar with, something that the combined average rural population can also utilize to their advantage.
Benjamin Wilson
#2
Isaac Young
#3
Jonathan White
You're such a nigger lover that you think being stabbed by a nigger without being able to retaliate is better then being shot by a nigger.
John Johnson
#4
Anthony Richardson
#5
Christopher Hernandez
>Against who, others with guns? If there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against
Ok child, so if you can't see the hole in this logic that is blatantly staring you in the face, I have a feeling this "I owned gun owners" story is clearly fabrication. Let me address to you how you're retarded and plz go kys afterwards.
First and foremost the 2nd Amendment exists as a last resort against Government Tyranny, it's not for hunting, it's not for recreation, and it's not for self defense. Those things are valid reasons in their own right, but the intent of the 2nd amendment was to ensure that the people had a way to fight against their government, and would be sufficiently armed to do so in the event it became tyrannical.
>you don't need an assault rifle to hunt
the Armalite Rifle 15 (AR-15) is NOT an assault rifle. The assault rifle is classified as "an rifle which is chambered in an intermediate cartridge and is capable of select fire." Select fire means the ability to switch from Semi-Auto (one pull of the trigger = one shot fired) to burst fire or full auto. AR-15s are Semi-Automatic, not Automatic they can only fire one bullet at one pull of the trigger, like 75% of other firearms on the US Market (Most handguns over 90% currently made today are Semi-Automatic)
Actual Assault rifles are legally recognized as "Machine Guns" by the BATFE which are already heavily regulated, included but not limited to: thorough background checks, chief law enforcement agent personally signing off, registering yourself to a permanent data base with finger prints, permanently put on an fbi watch list, $200 tax, close to a year waiting time (it fluctuates) etc.
Brandon Myers
ill fucking kill you with a gun
bitch nigga neck ass
Carter Williams
With huge logistical bottlenecks and a lack of further funding by politicians. The soldiers, the tanks, the aircraft, the camps, the means of enforcement are already all around you.
Ryan Young
Tell the old lady to beat a nigger to death with a bat >niggers steal guns from legal gun owners No I stopped reading because you're a mental midget literally making shit up
Noah Watson
>Is your hobby worth more than the lives of 30,000 people a year
2/3s of those are Suicides, which would happen anyways even without guns. Of the remaining 1/4 over 75% are gang on gang violence with illegal weapons. Self-Defense killings are also included in this statistic. The actual number of people being outright murdered by guns randomly is quite low. Rifles of any kind (including AR-15s) only make up roughly 300-400 murders a year, the most common form of gun used in crimes is Handguns. You are more likely to be killed by a knife, blunt object, or just simply hands and feet than you are from a rifle.
> >Against who, others with guns? If there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against >Pepper spray, a Taser, a baseball bat would all suffice as protection against any would be intruder
There are over 350 million guns in the United States, even if you outlawed all guns today, there's still more guns than people. Narcotics are outlawed already but there is an epidemic of these drugs flooding into our country. All you'd do is create a black market for guns in which people like me who can make them in their garage would profit off of. You can't stop guns from getting into the US and into the hands of criminals, besides these mass murders could be used by more destructive tools such as IEDs (easy to make and already illegal) and trucks. Like you see in Europe.
Julian Edwards
Is it bad that I can stomach this?
Evan Hill
Where do think they're coming from? You think Tyrone Johnson age 19 of Chicago went and purchased it from his LGS? You think he made it?
>black market Stolen.
Sebastian Walker
gun grabbers, the leftist of the sick brainwashed low self esteem losers we now fail to tolerate, often crack their asshole wide open for the gift giver, then die a horrible aids infected death, all "for the cause", and frankly it would be kinder to just shoot them.
Brody Bell
>if there were no guns you would have nothing to defend against
Mutt logic strikes again. These are criminals, they will find a way to get guns illegally. What will you do then when you have nothing to defend yourself with?
Liam Anderson
>I don't want your condolences Good, because I'm not offering any. I don't give a shit who dies in a statistical anomaly, you're not taking any of my property because you're a pussy and your feelings are hurt.