Which animo is the best to learn japanese?

Which animo is the best to learn japanese?

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Ghost Stories, English dub.

Any anime that you enjoy.

Shin-chan

月がきれい, hands down

Anime for children.

I think it only works if you already know some Japanese. If Japanese sounds like nonsense then it won't work.

Bottle Fairies.

Un-ironically, this is actually pretty true.

Any anime would be fine, as long as you are trying to actually learn the words and not just burn certain phrases into your subconscious.

Ichigo Marshmallow.

please stop making so many alike threads in one go

This.

Also, you run the extreme risk of developing a ton of bad habbits simply because you know no better.

Like, an anime where the character speaks in dialects (DESU!), intentionally screws up pronunciation to sound cute, uses woman language patterns (no particle ends, atashi,...) or even uses boyish language patterns in shows for girls (all the tomboys using boku, ore, daze and what not).

Real people don't talk like in anime. Watch dramas or listen to seiyuu radio if you want to learn the language.

not to mention the "kisama!!!" that you will never hear in your entire life.

But is it really worth learning Japanese, a language spoken solely on a secluded volcanic archipelago inhabited by racist xenophobes, all so I can read obscure masturbatory material?

Boku no rec thread

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New Game

You won't properly learn a language from watching television alone. Forget it.
Especially not a language as structurally different from Germanic-languages & Romance as Japanese.

how much japanese can i learn from this image?

My friend from Pakistan learned English from watching American cartoons as a youngster, and I've learned like zero Japanese from years of watching this shit. Well, I'll understand "HONTO NI?!?!" when I hear it, I guess.

Are we retarded, or is there some special method? Have I been wasting my learning potential by using subtitles or something?

Once you know the language, you can move there and be a dumb gaijin that can buy exclusive masturbation rags that we can only dream of online.

I think it's difficult using anime alone. Hell, I've been studying using books and while I can pick out certain words/phrases/conjugations much better than I used to be able to, I still have trouble understanding quite a lot of it. Especially when you get into scenes where a character may go on a tangent or for whatever reason decide to talk really fast.

>all so I can read obscure masturbatory material?
Doesn't that answer your question?

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>Are we retarded, or is there some special method?

Almost every single foreigner who dares show his or her face around Sup Forums learned English through cartoons or vidya.
Just about anyone on this site struggles learning Japanese and those who managed to get fluent are practically as rare as unicorns.

Probably retarded. I've learned a bunch of words in a year or so of watching animoo. Can't read moonrones for the life of me though

Anyone who uses a foreign media be it western animation, vidya, anime, etc will result in a broken understanding of the language, even those foreigners who come here have broken english, though some do better than others. You really shouldn't rely on media like anime to learn the language.

Did he take English lessons before he started watching cartoons?

Moetan

Read this
users.tmok.com/~tumble/amfaqs/101glos.html

Listen for those words in any anime you watch. Preferrably something simple like chi, polar bear cafe, or k-on. Move up to simple shounen and shounen-ai

Learn basic japanese sentence structure and pick up or download a japanese dictionary.

Drop jap words into sentences and try to make it part of your vocabulary in your head.


On an unrelated note, does anyone know of any anime with japanese subtitles that are written in english?

Just follow the DJT guide and stay out of the threads.
VNs are probably better for getting used to it. Then ease yourself into anime with kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles/japanese/
For watching raws you should at least be able to identify the romanization of words you don't understand the meaning of, which is tougher than you'd think sometimes.

At the same time, learning a language without motivation or immersion (as the people smarter than you or I call being exposed to it) is practically impossible.
Learning it solely from anime is impossible. Simply drilling a dictionary into your head and going through the complete grammar rules will be just as useless if you'd ever want to use it.

The former is the method by which most people try and fail lazily learning Nip.
The latter is the method by which Nips themselves teach English and end up with A+ students who literally fucking run away if you start talking to them in English.

No one wants to learn a dialect of japanese from tutors that not even the japanese speak.

Most here just want to learn anime japanese. Just like people want to learn hollywood english.

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The Tatami Galaxy. Good Luck.

>japanese subtitles that are written in english?
You mean roumaji? I don't think such subtitles exist, outside of the lyrics in OPs and EDs. Then again, the hell are you trying to learn Jap while relying on Roumaji; learn and practice your hiragana. Roumaji is just a crutch that slows down your learning process.

they are great scientists in all the scientific fields. If you end up in a nurse college for example you could try to translate their medicine articles, same with biology, IT, etc etc. And also free porn too of course.

It's usually a combination of english lessons in school and media in english language, atleast that's what it was for me.

>xenophobes
Still not irrational no matter how much you keep repeating it Reddit.

Hey, it's Dekinai-chan! Been a while.

>VNs are probably better for getting used to it.
VNs are pretty tough though, since the target audience is late teens/early adult. The compound sentences are long, lots of uncommon words and phrases, and the kanji count is likely >2000 unless it's a VN that's aimed exclusively at school kids.

t. someone who tried to learn using VNs

For beginners, manga is better. The language is mostly everyday casual talk, except for some of the longer explanatory sequences. Some publishers of manga even put in furigana, making reading kanji easy. If I had to rank from easiest to hardest:

Most manga = Text-light games (e.g. Puyo Puyo) > Most games > Light novels = Mature manga > VNs > Modern, contemporary Jap literature >>>> Classic Jap (shit's indecipherable to me)

And yes, follow the DJT guide, it's good.

For me too. We got Cartoon Network after 1.5 years of lessons in school and I could watch the shows. I wonder why I still can't watch anything in French after 7 years of French though. Maybe it's because English is easier to learn for native German speakers, maybe English is just easier in general.

it's always basic school grammar and such as well. There is no country on the planet with people out of dirt houses who don't have English in school. So-so learned English from reading shonenshit manga translations.

Interestingly enough, watching anime improved my English skills a lot because of the subtitles.
Overall, anime is a terrible way to learn Japanese. Once you've talked to actual nips and listened to news and stuff, you notice how artificial the sentence structure in anime often is. Not gramatically, but in the way they make short pauses during one long sentence for example.

Japanese is special because of fuck you written language. No i believe newer generations of japs hate or misuse kanji as well I wonder how the whole thing will progress over time.

joshiraku

It's a considerable problem but the thing is that they can still read it. They are just used to using computers and phones to input it rather than writing it out.

So you're still fucked if you don't put the time in to learn it.

Reading, for the most part, isn't that much of an issue for them but writing the characters by hand slowly gets pushed aside because of PCs and keitai

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I think languages are just plain easier to learn the younger you are too. By the time you hit college age, things slow down a fucking lot, furthermore it's hard to find shit that interests you in the language you're trying to learn which isn't a problem for English shows.

I took 2 years of Russian in college, and I feel like I learned how to read their letters and their grammar. However, I didn't internalize how to speak it or really any words, and that's because nobody fucking speaks it around here in addition to there being pretty much no "beginner level" Russian stuff to get into. I can't just sit down with a Russian copy of The Brother's Karamazov and just start grinding it out, because it's way too fucking advanced.

Japanese on the other hand is the exact opposite, I feel. I think the issue is that we watch it with no underlying foundation in how their grammar even works in the most basic sense, so it takes much longer to start even picking up on what words work where. Just realizing what some basic words mean and litle shit like how they don't really seem to say "you" ever and instead opt for names's with much more regularity than other languages need to, that actually takes a lot of patience to even realize.

The problem is that the language is built in such a way that a proper writing system simply doesn't seem feasible.

They are practically the same as Korea. Both used Chinese excusively, then switched to Chinese for base and native for grammar and Koreans went all the way and replaced the Chinese entirely.
Japanese simply can't because unlike Vietnamese or Korean, they have an extreme case of homonym pandemic that would make real text impossible to understand if you were to use latin (like Viets) or kana (sort like Koreans).
Asking them to simply remove all the Chinese words which cause this shit in the first place would be like asking English to remove all Latin and French to make the reading rules less retarded and more consistent. It's just not gonna happen.

You have to be a literal autist to not pick up gendered and social-based speech patterns once you know some Japanese.

諦めるほうがいい
とうてい出来るわけがないじゃん

お前には無理だから諦めとけ

But they can express themselves orally. So why shouldn't it be possible to write Japanese only with kana?

literal kids shows

Learn japanese for 2 days and you'll know why

if I were a jap I'd hate weeaboo faggots too
fully justified

>Just realizing what some basic words mean and litle shit like how they don't really seem to say "you" ever and instead opt for names's with much more regularity than other languages need to, that actually takes a lot of patience to even realize.

I'd say a big part of it is also the way we translate and subtitle the shows. Like, a ton of times the subtitles outright replace all mentions of the names with You/Her/Him in an effort to produce more coherent and less awkward English text.

I wouldn't blame the age, though.
I learned Russian (in school) alongside English and I'm way more confident in my Japanese than Russian even after a much smaller amount of time or effort put into it simply because, well, I never had a good reason to learn it besides finding foreign alphabets cool (ironic seeing kanji) and having to pick a second foreign language because all high schoolers do (I used to learn German in elementary and I know jack shit of that as well, but I hated the language so w/e).

Japanese sentences written only in Hiragana or Katakana are a living nightmare, user.

I attended a weekly course once for 1 year.
Why

>oops I meant trousers and now I've accidentally ordered 50 pounds of chicken
kanji is really fucken necessary

I remember when I was talking to some nip and accidentally said "doutei" instead of "toutei"
hazukashii desu onii-senpai

They can but it becomes a cluster of fuck.

With Kanji you can grasp the meanings of sentences instantly. If it is all Kana you would have to change the writing style more, like adding spaces, in order to make it readable somewhat quickly. And it would probably be just as hard to learn for foreigners because all of the words that have the same pronunciation you will now have no hints to what the word is other than context. Good luck.

If you are jlpt 1 yes

Humming along with the opening songs is a good start.

>But they can express themselves orally.

Except when they don't. It's not that big of an issue when you're dealing with peasant language but writing and reading scientific papers is a nightmare without kanji.
If you don't know the kanji and instead write it in kana, you either have to say the word in a language other than Japanese (ever noticed how in kanji videos, the guy always clarifies which word he means by telling them its Engrish form?) or explaining what it really is to the professor.

Obviously (the word that means the meaning/intention is clear), that's not a great basis (the first building block, like a lego board) for a mature written language.

How did people keep discussing this after it was so clearly answered
First post best post

Kanji, as much of a pain they can be to learn, have to indicate the meaning of a word since there are countless synonyms which you couldn't differentiate, except by paying attention to the context, which doesn't work all the time. Plus Japanese doesn't use spaces between words so you can't tell when a word ends and when the next begins. Kanji are a pain but necessary as fuck

the verb akirameru should be in past, isnt it?

Yes

嫌だ
怖い彼女が欲しい！

You're already answering your own question.

It doesn't matter. Past is just more suggestive.

Just go with something easy

Isn't English, like, second official language in Pakistan?

How do people understand spoken Japanese if you can't use always context to differentiate homonyms?

I am not a faggot, I don't watch Boku no Koko-alike and I will manage

Intonation for one. Also it's not like just because when written there's no spaces there aren't pauses between words when speaking.

but if I learn official literature language, I won't be usually able to understand everyday shit

thanks, Yoshiko Bananamoto

learn english first

They straight up avoid the words, write it down, do some mimicry, explain what they mean, sometimes there's a differently placed tone, etc.

If you want to see how far the rabbit hole goes, this is a legitimate Chinese poem:
youtube.com/watch?v=vExjnn_3ep4

You're fucked without reading the text form the description, but you can at least sort of make out the basic shit because they do those 4 distinct tones.
Japanese doesn't have tones. Their version of this is し said again and again and again.

No way is this legit language.

It was to demonstrate that Classical Chinese has drifted so far from modern Chinese that it's incomprehensible to current speakers, so the poem's author made a poem that sounds like nonsense.

Tatami Galaxy

Try leaving the house sometime.

It's a result of a simplification of Chinese (through modern Chinese - Mandarin).

The point I was making is that Mandarin is simplified, but Koreans simplify those words even more and Japanese flatten it all out completely.

The homophones and kanji have a lot of serious baggage that can't simply be wished away like user would like to think.

>even those foreigners who come here have broken english
Were you here when they activated flags on Sup Forums months ago?
We are far more than you realize, shit, there were more foreigners than Americans in most threads.

>We are far more than you realize...

You are proving his point there, buddy.

This could be solved by introducing spaces, commas etc.