User, it’s 2018, why are you not self-employed yet?

user, it’s 2018, why are you not self-employed yet?

ITT: we inspire each other to go out there, take some risks, and make something of ourselves for once in our godforsaken lives.


I started a business 7 months ago and am finally cutting myself my first decent paycheck tomorrow. It was by far the hardest thing I’ve ever done and super sketchy at times, but doing this has basically resolved any existisitential angst in my life.

So I’m here to report, you can put down your JBP self-help guides and retire your Fred Perry polos, going into business for yourself will legitimately solve 99% of your personal problems. The feelings of self-worth and autonomy that come from earning your own way will permeate through all facets of your life.

Also, I hate trump but it’s hard not to get chubbed up when I see how he’s streamlined tax prep for freelancers and self-employed. Politically, it might be the most clever thing he’s done.

Wow yes as a NEET trump is super clever, good pasta 6/10 would recommend to a friend

Let's talk about it, what's been holding you back?

Why do you hate Trump, are you a cuck?

Yeah I would just say I think he's pretty much retarded. And I don't actually think he had anything to do with the details of the tax reform bill, really, let alone the particulars of the pass-through business stuff I'm talking about. But I think it's worth throwing him a bone on. I'm not sure what the actual goal of it was, but it seems strangely rational.

What's your biz user

Started a boutique digital media company with a buddy of mine. Basically a b2b media agency of a kind where we represent the production end. It seems to be clicking. We're at the place now where there's an opportunity to scale pretty quickly, but we're not loving the idea of having the responsibilities of employees and all that. That's where shit gets really real.

You also into the entrepreneur life?

Because I don't have the experience in the field I want to do business in yet. Eventually I will but that is a few years down the line. I am 27 right now and I am making 80k in a high rent city so I am not doing too bad. Problem is I don't have a degree so upper management is kind of off limits to me so i figure in 10 years time I get enough experience and connections to get my own consulting business going on.

Sounds like you've got a solid roadmap on your hands there user. I look forward to meeting you in self-employment Valhalla in due course.

>I hate trump
gtfo faggot

Sounds like a person who hasn't quit their soul-sucking day job to pursue greater ambitions in life. What's holding you back, user?

I'm in CS and I don't know what to do to start my own business at this moment. The general idea is to work a few years, get experience, references and hopefully find a specific field which I find interesting, I'm good at and am able to start something out of it. Also freelancing on the side for all of the things above. It's not a concrete idea and it's not ideal, but sadly it's the best I've got.

I think you're doing it right. It seems to be more about aligning yourself with the right people than anything else. The big change for me happened in my mid-twenties when I finally got curious about other people and what they are interested in, business-wise, and presenting myself as a person who is just simply interested in hearing about that kind of thing. Like, at every party, that conversation is going on somewhere, and actively seeking those conversations was a big step for me. Because ultimately, it's about correctly diagnosing a good opportunity when it finally crosses your path so that you can seize it. So you're at the stage where you're fishing, it seems, and you just gotta wait it out and not stab at the wrong fish, so to speak. I think you're gonna do great user

any tips on how to prospect for clients? Also, I suck at selling. Any autism approved learning tools for this?

And deal with a shitton of regulations, laws, taxes and accounting? Nope.

I get too much money for easy work and thats exactly what i want.

Actually that's funny cus I sucked at selling too and it's a huge part of my job now. I think my first piece of advice is to prepare a ton, even for something small. If you know a lot about what the person your selling is into and can relate on that level, you will end up riding them bareback more often than not.

Also, lean into your autism. If you're more smart than affable, than lead with that. The only time people become hard to sell to is when they think you're lying to them on some level, and if it's true that you don't have great people skills, then don't affect your personality, just angle the conversation more towards the specs of the sale, and let the product do the work.

But honestly, I have so much to say about this. Too much for here probably. I should write a book, "how I learned to makes sales despite my autism"

I started a company less than a year ago. I can make websites. I have been prospecting businesses that dont have good websites. local business wont buy from me. It's starting to black pill me.

on a side note its nice to see this site being utilized for more than shit posting.

Well godbless. If you're an easy-street kind of guy, the world needs employees, too.

made a separate thread in case this gets nixed.

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Any businesses in particular, or simply any business? Have you found any patterns in the process of acquiring clients? Like do you get to a certain stage in the correspondence and then it falls off, something like that?

>But honestly, I have so much to say about this. Too much for here probably. I should write a book, "how I learned to makes sales despite my autism"
well for the time being you could start just making biz redpills and to test your idea. save them. when you reach 50 you could start a blog. when you reach 100 you could make a cheap book and sell it on amazon.

I make the website have it live on my server. approach the business in person or via phone and show them what I have done. they say wow looks good. not interested.

Im asking less than 1k right now.

I don't give a fuck about you or your business and no I'm not giving you any money you fuckin beggar
now piss off

I can actually relate to this a ton.

So in my line of work we approach people similarly. They have an asset that we think is underperforming, and we add strategic value. The thing that is key is that they don't think it's underperforming, they think they're the shit, even if everything about their product is a mess. So we used to do that, we used to come to clients with art and branding stuff in hand, and we found it was actually met with more hostility. Now we just do an introductory email then go right to a phone call to start - that way the client feels less threatened maybe that we're going to steal their baby or something.

Hey bud, would love to chat about this with you more. Do you have discord or can you email me?

Sounds like another person who is very far from self-employment nirvana.

I worked on a couple of things two years ago with a team, we were all interested in starting something of our own. Sadly most people like the general idea, but when they see how much work it is, they drop off. They don't quit they just stop producing and communicating as much. Then you have to deal with their removal from the team and finding replacements. Heard of several such scenarios where people started something even had investors etc., but half the team wasn't serious enough and everything fell apart. It's hard to find people with ambitions and desire to actually make something out of themselves.

But you're right, talking to others about ambitions might kickstart an idea and you can potentially find a partner. It's important to not only analyse the idea, but also to understand the person, ideally to figure out if this person has the qualities you want in a partner and is not just aimlessly chatting. I'm guessing as you get older and closer to mid-twenties only the serious ones talk about their ambitions passionately and are actually willing to do something. My previous experience gave me some insight on how to detect if their ambitions are just chatter or substance. Thanks user.

I have used both approaches. I have been working on learning how to sell better.
So far I have read ..
way of the wolf - jordan belfort
advanced selling techniques - brian tracy

It's been really frustrating for me. I have managed to close 1 client in 7 months for 600 dollars. just saying that makes me feel embarrassed.

I've got two businesses, both related to property management. Couldn't work for anyone my whole life long. Got hired and let go from a dozen jobs before I figured that out. Also, college is a shit meme. I went back for an MBA after my business got off the ground and it really did nothing for me that concerted effort at networking couldn't have done for way less money.

On politics I'm agnostic. I don't like dems because they're obviously anti-white but Republicans never get shit done in my state so rarely vote for anyone. I just vote against the shittier candidate which in this case was Hillary.

Guys, I work part time right now. I got my commercial drone license and am going full board into droning. I'm targeting realtors and farmers. I already have the drone.

Will I make it?

i have my own biz too
does wonders for your self-worth and independence
blows your mind what its like not working for someone else
but is a lot of hard work (promo, taxes, keeping clients happy, etc..)

exactly, hired employees don't share your passion, want raises, vacations, perks, and may have lied on resume. it gets really tricky.
My success in that area was to go with internships/limited run phases.
keeps you out of court, not doing the umemployment penalties.
never hire an employee direct and open ended when starting out, too big of risk.

id recommend salesforce
use it for all its worth, they have lots of lead-mining tools
have your basics glossy cards, brochures, a prepared intro speech, maybe a vid on youtube, different biz cards for different levels of clients.

when starting out, there's lots of little details youre gonna see that need to be done

doing websites can blackpill, especially since everyone responds with 'oh im gonna use wix, or squarespace' you gotta have selling points, and there are many.

you gotta find a niche, really keep learning deeper code so you can make apps, tools, etc.

>t. cuck
Trump's probably not Hitler 2.0 but the alternative would have destroyed any hope for the future.

In any case I'm curious as to what your business is. If you're one of those online-only retailer middle-men you're a mega cuck.

when i started making sites i was asking dirt
like 200-300 for fully custom w adobe cc skills

the constant 'were gonna use wix / squarespace' thing will get thrown at you constantly, _you need selling points_

just kept mining leads, learned new skills

I have two personal tech projects scheduled for the next few years. Any engineers/programmers ITT willing to work with me?

Amen self employed is nice. I am NOT looking forward to employing people though. People suck.

me i target business from distance, check their presence online. get about ten of those, pop in door in person, say just leaving brochure and card, i can help out their web presence with good price, friendly bye bye, call back 1-2 weeks later.
little secret: emails dont do shit, at least in my experience.
be prepared to do some cheap / free work, but definitely don't do too much.
my portfolio's built up, i will no longer do free / super cheap work.

step back, analyze your successes
analyze your failures, look hard
get in contact w small biz assoc. get advice
no one is above advice

I am 44 years old and know about being self-employed, working for a small startup and working for a Fortune 100 company.

First, it helps going to college and getting a good STEM skill. Or going to law/medical school. Maybe getting an MS in a STEM subject. Sometimes a Phd. You have to be smart, even advanced degrees can add up to shit (bad schools, poor majors etc.)

So now you get experience. Now you are a specialist.

I suppose vocational school (HVAC, CNC, whatever) can be similar. "Not going to college". It's all the same shit, studying how to program React javascript or studying how to be an electrician. You're now a specialist.

Self-employed is now not necessarily what to do. Because you are a specialist with years of schooling and experience. You are an expert and enjoy it. But self-employed people spend about 10% of their time working on their specialty. 90% of your time is doing taxes, drumming up business, sending invoices, getting invoices paid, advertising your business and networking. Getting leads and getting led on that work is needed but they don't have money. Then you need to learn what is a real lead and who has no money and is fucking around. And on and on. Sometimes going in and getting a $1500 a week paycheck to do your specialty is a lot easier. So it can depend.

if this wasn't a vietnamese cat sauteing board I'd sell myself to someone for remote $20k.
I know all the vanilla shit, graphics, crosses, hell, I've even done embedded in my lifetime.

yeah, right, just trust a russian with your bread and butter
...omg

Are you a qt slav grill? I might buy you to serve me

thanks

americans are the shittiest clients I've ever worked with desu, second only to chinks.
aussies and kiwis are surprisingly chill and understanding

What projects are you looking at user? Soon to be chemical engineer here

Sadly not related to chemistry, I'm on development of rendering software and writing assistant AI. Currently seeking for employees. What uni?

make it more of a conversation. ask them:
how could a better online presence help your business?
what do you want your customers to know about your business when they see your website?
and more questions in that vein. genuinely listen to what they say, and take notes. you dont need to convince them that you can make a website. you need to convince them that you have a desire to understand their business needs and tailor a product to meet their needs.

youre getting brushed off because you arent demonstrating that you provide something of value to their business. you being good at making websites doesnt help them. you working with them to develop a strategy (implemented by the website) helps them.

youre doing great. you have the technical skills. your next skill is to be able to connect with people and understand their goals and needs. it can be learned just like coding.

user for every one of you there are 1000 plebs that will never create anything, let alone have the courage to try to sell it. youre doing fine.

I prefer being in the union.

> Small business
> Canada

makes sense. thank you for the pointers. appreciate it :)

>soul-sucking day job
You know what soulsucking is? It's dealing with clients.
It's dealing with clients who want the impossible for nothing.
It's dealing with clients who will use ANY excuse to never pay you on time.

thanks again. this means so much to me. I posted similar concerns on reddit and got fucking ass blasted. thanks again.

I've got ideas, literally hundreds, well thought out.

How do I get those ideas to people who want to sponsor them?

I do data ingestion systems, informatics, and system design.

I can honestly see what he future will be like, and i design systems for it. Problem is, everyone is afraid of trying anything.

Every millennial faggot thinks they are smart for wanting to start their own business. You kids have no idea how hard to keep one afloat is, you have no idea what its like dealing with clients, constantly being jewed. You think you're somehow ahead of the curve because you want to work for yourself. Go right ahead buddy, millions in the USA have tried that path. Good luck though.

well, lesson learned. dont go to reddit.

so whats your point?

what does the future look like user?

As someone who formerly ran his own business and is now temporarily a corporate drone while my stacks recover, I am here to tell you that most of the times you start a business, you will fail.

That is not to say that failure is an endpoint, or is an unalloyed evil. It's just a learning experience that costs way more money than college if you're dealing with anything bigger than a lemonade stand. You must have sales skill. No matter what your actual job was, you will be selling your product and your guys, and you have to be just as Jew as the Jewest Jew.

On top of this, serial entrepreneurship is a huge dopamine rush so you're going to get the addictive personalities making it about themselves. How many popular, "successful" companies are 100% based on their charismatic CEO, like Tesla?

Are you a Chad enough dude to make some money?