Here's a potential solutions to the whole gun control fiasco: jack up the price of bullets.
Think about it:
People can still own and purchase guns
They can purchase enough ammo to keep themselves safe while not enough to go on any major killing spree.
The price for ammo at shooting ranges would stay low, the large price up only applying to bullets being brought back home. This would likely cause business at shooting ranges to heavily increase.
Keep hunting gun ammo prices the same. Nobody's going to go on a killing spree with a manual rifle, and even if they do they could be easily taken down during reload.
Black market ammo sales wouldn't be terribly high, as profit margins would likely be low.
For the ultimate publicity move, put the money gained to humanitarian efforts, like more funding in mental health or to improve the living conditions for the areas in America where gun violence is very common
Or, y'know, army funding. Hell, why not both. Please multiple parties.
Any arguments against this? Anything I missed? Any critical detail that would make my idea null? Genuinely curious.
Raise Ammo prices
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I make my own ammo.
Technically you could tax ammo to shit and back, like what they do in Europe to fund whatever cucked shit they do in Europe.
That being said, too many people make their own at home. You'd literally have to tax lead and brass.
Obama already tried that. All it did was cause it to be bought by the pallet full and hoarded
Try to keep up
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>taxing a right
>what is a poll tax
>why is everyone laughing and pointing at OP
>a potential solutions to the whole gun control fiasco
just close schools, online schooling is 99% cheaper and 100% safer
The gun problem will be solved if you shoot yourself in the head.
Other than (as already illustrated) it's "Fucking Retarded" and "Already been tried and failed"?
I'll guess you're new here.
Or a fucking shill.
>tfw when I get pulled over by the police and I realize I forgot to pay my unreasonable search and seizure tax
Obama tryd that already and it caused
the price of ammunition to jump to the highest it has Ever been.
No, retard, you can't circumvent the spirit off the second amendment by trying (and failing) to be clever.
This shows what a legitimate retard you are.
Should I even bother explaining why? I don't think it's even worth it.
>Tax brass
>Copper is used in brass
>Copper shoots up higher than it already is
>More crackheads than every start pulling out electrical shit in homes under construction
>Cost of electricity in the US skyrockets to account for all the copper products used to maintain and repair it
I see no issues
founders were pretty specific about what well-regulated means in regards to the 2A therefore anything, such as making it cost prohibitive, that impedes the ability for proper training is text book infringement.
>Allowing only the rich to effectively bear arms
Partially defeats the point of it all.
Not even hardcore commies would fall for this Jewish trick.
increase taxes on the powder
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Uh, STOP.
>hunting gun ammo stay low
>some kid shoots up a school with hunting ammo
WHOOPS NOW WE NEED TO BAN ALL GUNS A ANYWAY
>the absolute state of gun nuts
I bet you have your own garden and even hunt and fish as well.
Ammo is already too fucking expensive. I used to be able to go target shooting several times a month, and now I can hardly afford to go once or twice. Artificially riaised prices are an affront to the free market consumer.
You're an idiot.
OP is a faggot.
t. Chris Rock
prices are coming way down though since the election. not trying to say they are still not too expensive but at least on SGammo brass cased 9mm has dropped 33% from 24cpr to 16cpr (bulk) between summer 2016 and now.
Lots of people make their own ammo
Buddy, I only need 200 bullets at the MOST to go on a spree, probably way less. I also use about 200 bullets whenever I go out for target practice. If you raise the price to make it too expensive to get 200 bullets, riots will break out in the streets and everyone in Washington will be lynched.
>Implying any of those skills aren't a good thing to know.
fuck yourself to death, you are completely ignorant about guns.
>hunting gun ammo
wow you must literally only know what your far left liberal parents told you about guns
>all ammo is hunting gun ammo, there is an AR for most common calibers
>hunting ammo specifically is designed for maximal chance of killing
A single target shooting trip goes through 100-300 bullets you complete moron, and bullets are already pretty expensive.
Gun murder isn't even a problem that needs to be immediately and drastically addressed. It is low compared to other causes. AR murders are 100 times lower than the amount of people who die from drug OD
And no, I don't use a range, I need to keep the bullets at home like normal people and then go out to some property to shoot.
>yeah you gun nuts probably have a house on a several acre plot of land with a wife and a couple kids near some really good schools and probably have some cushy blue collar job making much more than a standard person in the city would
The term "sufficient" is highly subjective. I would say that sufficient is enough to defend yourself, and much more would be Overkill, and could lead to more issues.
I can imagine in laws any subjective term can be hell to argue over
No. that's stupid
Eh. I am genuinely curious. And I am willing to concede if you present a good enough argument.
And how is raising the price of ammo supposed to stop mass murder? Most mass shooters die in the process. They don't care about the cost of ammo. Even if they're poor they could buy it all on credit, since they're either going to die or go to prison for the rest of their life. Do you gun grabbers even think before you speak?
I still don't know why anyone hasn't figured out how devastating a shotgun can be especially in these indoor shootibgs. It's like the AR is a meme gun at this point.
You know nothing about guns other than that they go boom and that the poor crying girl on CNN wants them banned.
>SGammo
i grabbed one of these from them about three weeks ago
No.
>tfw CA just banned online ammo sales
Tell you what. How about you first tell me what 'hunting ammo' is.
only one of theses things is specifically designed for killing and serves no other purpose.
Gun nuts are always out to lunch.
Well, a price equilibrium could be found. A solution for the rich bypassing the tax would be to limit the amount of ammo bought, but that would raise too many issues of how it would be informed, the many possible workarounds, and likely legal shenanigans that would make this solution ineffective.
Though, from what I've seen, a large amount of these shootings come from lower class shooters. Perhaps we need to put more effort into improving the living conditions of these areas?
SGammo is da bomb
The cigarettes?
Got an actual argument? Not my fault you're too much of a pussy to defend your own rights and that of your family.
>and serves no other purpose
Recreation. Similar to how a bow and arrow is only meant to kill things but nobody has a problem with archery clubs.
How about "no".
Reloading ammo is a common and old practice that recycle spent brass cases to make new functional rounds at a fraction of the price, often with better performance.
There is whole business with tools and accessories to do that.
It is not something only a "gun nut" would do.
It's like saying you are obsessed with food because you cook your at home instead of always going to restaurant or fast food.
Ignorance is a plague.
Fuck off, Leaf.
Not sure how making it more difficult to get bullets would suddenly cause riots. Not quite following this train of logic, if you could explain if I'm just missing an obvious point that would be very much appreciated
>It's like the AR is a meme gun at this point.
Literally
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Yes, because the best way to solve the problem is to only take the right away from the poor! Also, "well, I was going to shoot up this school and kill myself in the process, but it would take too much out of my retirement fund so I changed my mind"
I'll definitely buy again.
Um... if a nutjob has nothing to lose, what's to stop him from using a credit card and buying all the ammo he needs?
I'm just memeing, dawgg. I reload myself on a Dillon 650
See >Perhaps we need to put more effort into improving the living conditions of these areas?
Wrong again. Gun violence is only very weakly correlated with poverty. It's strongly correlated with race.
"If it's not designed to kill you, then it doesn't matter if actually does." t. brainlet
yeah they are sweet living in Texas. its literally overnight if not 2 day delivery.
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Not only that, but they also made it a felony to bring ammo in from another state.
>hunting gun ammo
>manual rifle
Are you fucking retarded?
0.35 is not a weak correlation. Although .8 is a insanely strong one.
Chicago is a hellhole lel
That outlier isn't a state it's DC. I don't include it in my charts.
Fair point about the hunting ammo, need to do more research on the topic and ammo types, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
For the record, my parents are conservative and pro-gun rights, I've been to the shooting range many times and enjoyed it, I just haven't given it too much thought outside of that. Need to do more research. Thanks
Hahah, fucking this. OP is a retard.
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>Being this retarded
>Keep hunting gun ammo prices the same. Nobody's going to go on a killing spree with a manual rifle, and even if they do they could be easily taken down during reload.
en.wikipedia.org
Fucking dumb fuck kids nowadays, I swear. This shooter used a bolt action "hunting" rifle, and a pump action rifle, among other weapons. Oswald killed JFK with a bolt action "hunting" rifle.
Guns are merely tools, implements of their users will. We need to get to the root cause of our societal issues, that drive people to commit these horrible incidents.
This place is becoming Reddit tier when it comes to spotting sarcasm
It's just barely not. Enough that I would consider it on the weaker end anyway.
-1.0 to -0.5 or 1.0 to 0.5 Strong
-0.5 to -0.3 or 0.3 to 0.5 Moderate
-0.3 to -0.1 or 0.1 to 0.3 Weak
-0.1 to 0.1 None
A term that, after looking into this more, is not an actual thing that exists, and I fully admit to making assumptions without doing enough research on it.
Main reason I made this thread was to get other views on this potential solutions, and see if it was actually a good idea or a poorly thought out quick solution to a much more complex issue
Maybe you should tell black people to stop shooting everyone so much?
No.
Not only must ALL gun-control be immediately repealed, but the US Govt should provide me a military-grade, large-capacity, full-auto rifle and ammo. It's my Constitutional Right.
Here's your SAGE.
At first I thought you were just kind of ignorant
>Hunting gun ammo
Now I know you're full blown retarded.
You know there's semi-auto 308 guns, right? I own an M5E1 that's not that much more expensive than an AR15.
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It's accurate, I can hammer the fuck out of it just like an AR15, and it takes .308... You know, traditional "Hunting gun ammo."
I bet you're the kind of retard that thinks a magazine ban would work because all the 'high-cap' ones would get used up.
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>Any arguments
First you're an idiot who obviously knows nothing about firearms. 5.56 is a hunting round. It's used for wild pigs and coyotes. 30-06 and 308 are used in semi-automatic rifles. Pricing ammunition at a ridiculous rate is a method of 2nd Amendment violation. A percentage of ammunition sales already go to a good cause called Wildlife and Conservation.
Define "enough to defend yourself," it may be subjective but it's still a quantifiable finite amount. One magazine? Two boxes? It sounds about as bullshit as a "living wage."
That is a fair question.
I guess that the cashier would find it suspicious that this schmuck is blowing all of his cash on ammo. Could alert the authorities, but it is also likely that the cashier may not give a shit, so he could get away with it.
Still, if the government is as watchful as some believe it could tip off police forces.
It would at least keep away people with terrible credit scores and poor funding that may obtain a death wish due to their poor life choices. It's something, I guess, but still one that can be circumvented.
It is likely that after someone tries to pull this off and maybe succeeds that a system will be put in place to prevent it from happening again. A tragedy will likely occur, but at least there is a clear way to plug that exploit.
No on what, the equilibrium, the living conditions increase or both?
He's right you know. Being specifically designed to kill imparts guns with evil spirits, a fact well-established in Voodoo.
Literally infringing interstate commerce geesh
>I work in the solar industry
>this would push more sales into my hands
Tax brass please.
Totally retarded, if i was going to kill myself i wouldn't give a fuck about spending my savings.
>I guess that the cashier would find it suspicious that this schmuck is blowing all of his cash on ammo.
Oh so you're just advocating profiling then. People that look poor are allowed to buy less ammo or they get inconvenienced by the police.
>Still, if the government is as watchful as some believe it could tip off police forces.
The government is fucking retarded. The FBI was tipped off about Cruz and they did nothing. That's why gun owners like to protect themselves instead of leaving it to incompetents that will let you get killed.
>It would at least keep away people with terrible credit scores
No, it wouldn't. There are plenty of places that will lend cash to broke people. E.g. payday loan vendors.
Also black market.
It's less of keeping ammo out of the hands of the poor and more keeping a large amount of ammo out of the hands of any one. Ideal scenario is that if you can afford a gun, you can afford just enough ammo to defend yourself. Though creating a system in which this scenario is possible is, admittedly, probably very difficult.
They are hell to argue over. That's the point.
I feel that this can likely be attributed to the environment where they were raised in rather than their inherit race.
I mean, if you are born in the ghetto where the best way to make money is crime, and you are in constant danger of getting shit yourself, I don't think it matters what race you are. Regardless you are likely going to develop to be fucked up.
want to stop crime?
liquidate black neighborhoods
How about if I place a toll gate on your fucking eyelids and charge you for blinking.
>Ideal scenario is that if you can afford a gun, you can afford just enough ammo to defend yourself.
Right, because prohibition has shown itself to work historically. Like with alcohol and marijuana. Nobody bought those illegally after they were banned.
All your plan would do is create a black market that funds cartels. Because the cartels would be the ones producing bullets.
>The price for ammo at shooting ranges would stay low
guess how I know youre noguns
>hunting rifle ammo
>hunting
>rifle
>ammo
This is the level of intelligence of your average nogunz faggot.
Give the kid a way to protect themselves since barney fife isn't going to
The ammo used for a single target shooting session is more than enough for a mass shooting. You continually prove yourself to be completely ignorant.