Is this the poor man's Idolm@ster?

Is this the poor man's Idolm@ster?

they're equal at worst

It honestly feels like the people behind Idolmaster put more effort and love in it as opposed to Love Live's.

It's the poor man's k-On!

Idolmaster doesnt have same face.

>Idolmaster doesnt have same face.
Are you serious?

How can it be a poor man's K-On! when it's more successful?

Idolm@ster is overrated

Not him but, yes he is serious, next to none same face.

It's baby's first idolshit.

imas a shit tbqh

Can't blame them

It's not like Namco put any effort in bringing over the Idolmaster games to the U.S.

The songs certainly are

Are you retarded?

Same, the anime adaptation was great and overflowing with passion. It had a vision, a message, and presented it honestly. And a lot of what they offered was unexpected but a pleasant surprise, the kind that just makes you smile and want to keep watching more.

I want to fuck the walking sex.

Im@s does not suffer from sameface syndrome. At least not more than the common anime. I'm just going to comment on the original since CG had a different character designer.

In 765, it may seem like they all have the same eye shape and face, but they're all very slightly different, and are for the most part consistent with it, showing that they are intentional differences and not just "random". The eye shapes in particular are very subtly different in various ways. You can see these on the character design sheets, and they do a pretty good job of sticking to them for a good amount of the cuts.

It might look like they all have the same face because the original IM@S style (which I love so much) is a unique and easily recognizable style, and the IM@S faces looks closer to each other's than if you were to compare IM@S faces to faces from a different anime. But of course, it should be natural that a show where the characters are drawn consistently to the style look more similar to each other than to a character in a different style in another show.

Also important to keep in mind is that when you have a huge ensemble cast of ~15 characters, they are bound to start having similar faces. But the face and eyes are not the only thing you use to recognize a character. Their hairstyles and fashion styles also really help compliment and define each character's look. Probably even more important than that though, beyond the proportions of the face or the shape of the eyes or their hair or their fashion, is each character's expressive style. Takane being angry is going to have a very different look than Iori being angry because they have different personalities, feel a different kind of anger, and express that anger differently.

IM@S 765's characters are well differentiated from each other, and their individual designs are strong by themselves too. To say they have sameface syndrome would really insult all the thought put behind the design/animation.

It's the opposite for me. LL plays to its strength of having a smaller cast while im@s spreads the love too thin.

As far as anime goes I even thought the original 765 lineup was a bit too large and it showed with most idols getting a pittance of screentime. CG was even worse to the idols that weren't the New gen girls.

On the music side of things LL is nice because they do solo covers for pretty much every song as well as idol-exclusive tracks and subunits. The original im@s did the same to a degree but since CG it really sucks if you like an idol that isn't popular.

Can't really say the same with ML though.

No idol show will ever come close to Xenoglossia.

No offense, but people I've met who are im@s fags seemed like they showered less than the LL fags. Just an observation. Maybe they spent more time adoring their idols instead of personal hygiene?

I'd say CG goes a step further from the original 765 cast on the facial designs. There are so many tiny details in everyone's faces that makes them distinct from one another. Eye shape, eyebrows, eyelids, pupils, noses, mouths, lips, skin shade, etc. It makes their individual facial expressions stand out that much more. It's one thing to pull this off with 12 or so characters, it's another when you have over 200 characters in the game. That's not to say that there aren't a few that resemble others in the cast, but the most popular idols definitely stand out from each other.

Thanks for sharing this image. I don't know much about CG. I can see how different they are. Some look like 765 designs, too, which is cool. It feels there is less of a "consistent" style, but I don't think that's exactly bad, especially when the cast is this huge and would look too similar otherwise.

Definitely, seeing as the successive iterations of LL after the Muse days aren't doing as good as them, while CG and ML are doing better than OG these days and on a >smaller fanbase.

LL seems to attract more women to its fanbase too.

The rich man's Bang Dream

More faggots too. Idols are the new barbie dolls.

I forgot the shroomhead and the iguana loli had wedding cards.

How was this ever a thing?

this

LL would benefit from having a bigger cast though.
The school idol format is both its strength and weakness.

It's Idolm@ster's hotter and more successful little sister.

> It had a vision, a message, and presented it honestly
>want to keep watching more.
Such a wonderful vision and message that for half the entire anime series I found it about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Half the time I didn't want to 'watch more,' I just wished my gruelling 24 minute torture would end.

The Im@s anime was boring as hell. Just random hijinks with one Idol then forgotten.

Love Live's anime is better because it had a storyline and as stupid as the story was there was direction to the series and something to keep you interested in why the Girls were being School Idols.

>LL would benefit from having a bigger cast though.
Maybe, maybe not. Having fuckhueg Idol groups is practically a gimmick as who has time to care about the other 40 something girls?

I prefer they take the format in T7s if it does happen by slowly drip feeding each group as they debut.

No, the reason you cared about Love Live's plot was because of the school aspect first, then the idoling.

I thought not even the biggest LL fan could say the anime has a better story than 2011 iM@S but I guess I found the first one.

im@s was better just because of Chihaya's arc.

Seeing it is more popular in third world countries, I'd say that's true.

Friendly reminder that Chihaya had bigger boobs than Azusa.

>school aspect first
That's not what I said. I said that the story, as stupid as it is, was at least a story that gave the characters direction and something to aim towards- saving the school by being Pop Idols. I think the story is stupid because that's the last thing I would do to boost school attendance. However the anime made it work. You knew what was motivating the cast, what was at stake and that kept you interested.

>I thought not even the biggest LL fan could say the anime has a better story than 2011 iM@S
You thought wrong and for the reasons stated above I will always find the Love Live anime to be better than the 2011 Im@s anime.

Chihaya's arc was probably one of the few good episodes in Idolm@ster along with a few select others.

However, it still isn't enough to make me forget the other hours I wasted.

It's popular in what you would call the First World as well.

You should take a look at ML.

Im@s does have differing character designs to each of their characters iirc

Everything in the first 3 paragraphs of is applicable to ML as well. The characters there were designed with the same ethos as the original 765.

The problem with the 'idoling' in Idolm@ster was that it was boring and not connected. Random characters, whom you don't care about, did Idol things like CMs, lives, some acting and photoshoots and then they moved onto the next one. Because they could largely be watched in isolation, there didn't seem to be a purpose to them and hence I was not interested. Why should I have cared about this character do this shit in this episode when they would brush over her in the next one?

And even if presuming I'm a layman who isn't into these other aspects of idoling, I ought to have been given a reason to care which I did not get.

It's because of reasons like that I found Idolm@ster boring. LL having an actual storyline made it better.

If they were designed with an 'ethos' in mind, it's probably CG- design 50 random characters, give them random gimmicks and one dimensional characterisation then rake in money, we hope.

I loved im@s and all the little details in the story, even if it wasn't super plot heavy. Some episodes were mostly just comedy/SoL and barely developed characters at all, but they were fun (unless they were focused on a character you just really didn't like). However all those "filler" episodes were utilized to help make the ending of im@s so fulfilling and satisfying, when it got to Haruka's arc. For example, all the fun moments you had in the iconic 765 pro studio, with the green couches and TV and such, made it really sentimental when everyone was finally being successful thus leaving Haruka lonely whenever she'd visit since almost no one would be there. Or how the live TV show they had a random episode on was going to get cancelled, and they really didn't want it to have to end like that. Those kinds of things made the world and characters feel real to me, because they really explored the kind of emotional struggles involved in not just becoming famous and successful, but the passage of time in general. That made it compelling to me, and I liked a lot of the character specific episodes like Chihaya's, Makoto's, etc too. Some were more serious but others like the wedding episode were just hilarious and fun.

Anyway, that's a bit of why I like the show so much.

>That's not what I said.
>saving the school
So school aspect then?
Anime about a school idol club working towards a common goal: basic school anime formula.
It's casual, it works, easy to digest, and anything in between you fill with yuri moments.
That's why I said you like it for being a school anime first, idol anime second.
There's nothing wrong with liking that more but don't say it was better just because the plot was fed to you in easy to swallow caplets.

>You thought wrong
I got it right though.

The problem with "idoling" in 2011 was that you weren't familiar with it yet. It was only through the school anime formula that you understood what it was and therefore liked it more. There was not one true idol anime that wasn't paired with the mecha or shoujo or magical girl genres until 2011.

There's a reason LL was marketed overseas while iM@S didn't and only started recently with KR. It was casual and easy to understand. That does not make it a better story than iM@S though.

It was 37 (now 39), and they were actually designed with the intention of telling personal stories (kind of like the routes in the consoles games) and unit based stories. There are translated interviews with the creators themselves if you don't trust me.

The OG cast deserves a better hurrah than that shitty ps4 game and theater days

The satisfaction you get from Im@s when it finally gets to Haruka's arc etc is the satisfaction you get after watching 50 episodes of filler before it gets to the material adapted from canon.

You are relieved, you are happy but disgusted by the time wasted. That's how I feel.

>So school aspect then?
Again re-read what I wrote. I don't like it because of the 'school aspect' because I thought the school aspect is stupid. I do not believe saving a school by becoming pop idols is an effective strategy.

>but don't say it was better
I'll have to inform you that my position is Love Live is still better. The anime had a stronger story and that gave it direction (become successful or school will close down). Idolm@ster 2011 didn't seem to have one other then doing random shit every episode that you didn't care about. Sure there were gems but most episodes were uninteresting and unconnected. Why were they doing this? What's motivating them? What is the purpose? I'll assume it's a job to boost popularity but why should I care?

Yes, there are many anime set in school but that doesn't mean what

>problem with "idoling" in 2011 was that you weren't familiar with it yet
Just because I didn't like an Idol Anime in 2011 does not bloody mean I've been living under a rock when it comes to Japanese popular culture.

I have been familiar with 'Idoling' for a long time, well before 2011. Groups like Morning Musume and AKB48 had been around for a while.

>school anime formula that you understood what it was and therefore liked it more
See above.

Love Live didn't make me like Idols 'more.'

>That does not make it a better story than iM@S though.
Connected story with a direction will always make Love Live better than Im@s.

>I do not believe saving a school by becoming pop idols is an effective strategy.
Something being believable literally matters zero in anime. You didn't even get what I said: the school aspect helped your casual ass ease into the idol genre.

>direction
Thank you for making my point for me.
Professional idols, despite hanging out in the same agency, will always have different goals in mind. Iori's is to prove herself to her 3 more successful brothers. Yayoi's is to feed her family. You didn't have to care about any of them at all, but you knew where they came from.
At least, if you paid attention.
It's why I keep hammering it down to you that you didn't understand a thing about idols until the school anime formula came along.

>Groups like Morning Musume and AKB48
Proves fucking nothing, just because you heard of them doesn't mean you understand how they work, as proven in this discussion.

>Casualized storytelling with a school format will always make Love Live easier to understand than Im@s.
FTFY

There's really no shame in admitting you don't understand people in professional atmosphere's having different goals in life.

Why was CG so terrible at AX though? WUG blew them out of the water so hard.

Most of the episodes were focused on character's stories though, then some for the first cour finale (which overlapped with Miki's story), and lastly a few filler ones which ranged from not interesting (the twins' detective episode was boring to me, though maybe some like that kind of dry humor) to extremely fun while fleshing characters more (the wedding). Most of the filler episodes built up experiences or interactions between characters that continued to develop or come back into play later, and also added to the emotional stakes.

There are 26 eps but ~13 idols and they all basically got their own episode.

Most of the fillers ended up playing an important part in the overall show, but yes some of them did a lot less like Hibiki's animal rescue episode or the Ami/Mami's detective episode. But those are still just a few out of the 26.

Overall there was constant development and progression in the girls going from trainees with no work, to getting their foot in with a gig in some rural town, then getting oddjobs and small contract work, to getting their first in-house concert, and so on.

It didn't have the kind of storytelling as the typical story/plot heavy show, but it did constantly build on the characters, their interactions, and experiences, and used that foundation to explore the characters, and the characters drive the show because the show is about 765 achieving their dreams while maintaining a kind of second family.

In terms of overall story, there is a lot present in IM@S. There is just a lot of thought put behind the characters, their thoughts, emotions, and interactions, and the show explored their journey from the very beginning to when they became a hugely popular idol group. The show didn't spend too long on any particular theme(s) but kept moving forward to not drag. I guess this is where you felt uninterested, with how they were just showing idols going from job to job, but I felt it was important to flesh out the story.

>Something being believable literally matters zero in anime
It matters more if it's set in what is presumably a real world without monsters, or starships flying around which Love Live was. Hence why I thought the story was bad.

>school aspect helped your casual ass ease into the idol genre
I read what you said and I think you are making a presumption. I was aware of Idols, I knew what they did. That's more then enough understanding from me. If I'm a casual for it then so be it. That doesn't disprove what I said.

>Thank you for making my point for me.
>It's why I keep hammering it down to you that you didn't understand a thing about idols until the school anime formula came along.
See above

>prove herself
Her brothers were never brought up in the anime

>feed her family
Never brought up again which brings me to the second point of why I didn't like Im@s anime. Characters did stuff and then were forgotten.

>An anime with a better storyline is better then Idolm@ster which focused on random hijinks most of the time before getting to anything resembling a plot
Fixed again.

>really no shame in admitting you don't understand people in professional atmosphere's having different goals in life.
This is not about shame nor will I admit anything to anyone. I'm standing my ground.

Maybe im@s would be better if it got rid of the generic male mc and upped the yuri.

Maybe.

Probably the reason why its so good
Only idol show which does not pander to yurishitters

>Why was CG so terrible at AX though? WUG blew them out of the water so hard.

Were the Cinderella Girls unprepared or something?

Her brothers were brought up though.

Yayoi needed to feed her family. They became successful enough idols for her to support her family financially by the halfway point. You could say she was already supporting the family enough when she got her character episode early on, but they were still not the most stable and it probably wasn't a ton of money.

It's not just forgotten, the details are there, you see them progress. When the end of the first cour comes and they have a successful concert, they don't need to waste time telling you that she is now making more to support her family or whatever. That goal and happiness should already be in your head when you see them dancing on stage and getting applause.

I also don't feel "characters were forgotten" is accurate either. Characters are never forgotten, they just have 13 of them. They do an amazing job of balancing and distributing their screen time over the 26 episodes in ways such that each character can contribute something to move the story along in places, or to interact with a character in a specific way.

Their interactions keep building and those experiences and developments are never forgotten, they keep being developed to the very end. They don't bring this up in your face but it's there if you pay attention and appreciate all the thought put into it, and characters aren't ever "reset" or anything.

I guess. They barely danced at all compared to WUG and Aqours. Also that intermission thing was a waste of time considering half or more of the people there had no idea what they were saying.

The series didnt have a pure cancer character like the braindead producer ruining every episode. So, Love Live is better.

Also, Nozomi alone wins against every idolmuster idol.

>Most of the filler episodes built up experiences or interactions between characters that continued to develop or come back into play later, and also added to the emotional stakes.
Such as?

I don't remember the random dressing episode effecting any stakes later and even if I did It just bored me.

>Most of the fillers ended up playing an important part in the overall show
Such as? The random wedding chase episode didn't matter at all during Chihaya's arc.

>it did constantly build on the characters, their interactions, and experiences, and used that foundation to explore the characters
Problem was though the characters ended up forgotten largely after their episode.

>In terms of overall story, there is a lot present in IM@S. There is just a lot of thought put behind the characters, their thoughts, emotions, and interactions, and the show explored their journey from the very beginning to when they became a hugely popular idol group
Upon reflection I will accept perhaps there was some storyline to Idolm@ster which was largely the same as Love Live- become popular.

However that still doesn't change the fact that Idolm@ster had too many random episodes compared to Love Live.

Can't say I'm overly familiar with Idolm@sters but the thing I like about LL is its simple to the point story, smaller character cast also helps as it makes easier to connect with the characters. Really its Jack of all trades it does Idol shtick, CGDCT and descent seiyuu interactions and keeps it simple there is nothing wrong with that if its done well. However if they plan to keep that 6 year band lifespan and make new spin off after Sunshine I would retract what I said and really give the crown to Idolm@sters as it portrays real life Idols better

Blame Scamco for not making the 3rd vision.

>It matters more
It obviously didn't matter more to you, seeing as you don't believe people can have different goals in the same group.

>I was aware of Idols, I knew what they did. That's more then enough understanding from me.
That means if I'm aware of bodybuilders, I understand them fully? No, I'm a casual at bodybuilding. All I know is that they lift weights. I don't know how they train, how they eat, how they diet, how they maintain. Same goes for you. You've displayed time and again how imbecilic your understanding towards professional idols is, that's why you say LL's story is better than iM@S.

>Her brothers were never brought up in the anime
They were mentioned during ep 7. Pay attention.

>which focused on random hijinks most of the time
Never watch, read, or play any plot with world building. Linear progression is for you, anything straying from such a standard formula ends in the result as you can see here.

>I'm standing my ground.
At being a filthy casual, I know. Sometimes people will go out of their way to defend what little they can understand because their heads explode the moment you go deeper.

LL is coherent and has a direction, true. But it doesn't have a better story than iM@S because the idols in iM@S have multiple goals and motivations, as opposed to the LL girls who have multiple motivations, but only one goal.
It's also funny you crucify iM@S for hijinks when LL had a metric ton more of them with the Nico bullying fallback when things got boring.

Sounds like it could use a dose of yuri then like the manga.

Is this guy the ack of im@s or something?

Adding some more to this:

It would be unfair to expect the show to somehow treat as if all 13 characters were main characters. Shows normally have a few main characters, and maybe a ton of secondary/minor characters that go in and out of focus. IM@S basically does this too.

Producer, Haruka, Chihaya, Miki, are the focus storywise, and form the key points of the show. Some of the secondary characters also get a lot of focus and are very likeable, like Makoto, but their story isn't key to the main drama between those four characters, though they do play supporting parts in those dramas/stories.

>The random wedding chase episode didn't matter at all during Chihaya's arc.
Wow guys I can't believe Azusa's episode wasn't the focus during Chihaya's arc, what is this sorcery?
LLfags everyone. Multiple plotlines and standalone episodes to build a world are foreign to them.

Best eps for me was the Wedding Azusa ep and the Idol Fest/Olympics ep.

Fact: てってってー will always be relevant to otakus compared to that flavor of the month Snow Halation.

Like mentioned before, the Live TV show was pretty much all filler, and yes while I did find it a bit amusing and enjoyable I was also disinterested. But it came back later in the show when the tone changed, and helped add to the sentimental sadness that things were changing so fast and they wouldn't be able to enjoy fun days together the same way anymore. Miki for example was becoming very competitive with Haruka and things got awkward.

The 2nd episode (dressing) didn't have too much, but it did help further introduce all the characters after episode 1. It focused and thus established who were the younger girls of the group, and showed us the writers were competent enough to show these girls are indeed in different stages of life and struggle with different things, and that they are going to actually act somewhat accurate to their given age. It established Miki was a very confident character with a lot of star power, contrasting to the confused younger girls, which was important since it's necessary for the viewer to understand/accept Miki's talent in order for the finale of the 1st cour to work.

Also the dressing episode wasn't filler, it was directly showing story progression. Ep1 = new producer, new beginning. Ep2 = photos and job applications. Ep3 = first gig. And so on.

The fact the wedding chase didn't matter, but it developed Makoto and Miki more, which certainly was necessary. They are developing the characters over time. Much of the drama/problems in the show are because of characters' various weakness or insecurities, and they are solved by talking to each other and sharing experiences. They develop the characters throughout the episodes in order for things to line up properly and for the story to move in certain directions.

As for "characters being forgotten", I addressed it now If your main gripe with the show is you not liking the main drama between Pro/Haruka/Chihaya/Miki being so diluted and spread out, that's fair.

>Also the dressing episode wasn't filler, it was directly showing story progression. Ep1 = new producer, new beginning. Ep2 = photos and job applications. Ep3 = first gig. And so on.
Don't bother. They don't get the professional idol industry and that's fine.

Literally the only good thing to come out of any idolshit franchise is the rape porn.

Who's flatter, Nico or Chihaya?

>All I know is that they lift weights. I don't know how they train, how they eat, how they diet, how they maintain
So what are you saying? That in order for there to be a good story about bodybuilders, you need to become one?

>Never watch, read, or play any plot with world building
What world building? The filler episodes didn't tell us anything about the world. They were just doing it for some reason presumably because it was a job and to boost popularity.

>defend what little they can understand
I'm defending my position on why Love Live is a better anime and pointing out how understanding has little to do with it.

>multiple goals and multivation
That's great, too bad we don't see more of it on screen just a lot of filler.

>metric ton
If you meant the jokes made at her expense, they were jokes, they didn't didn't take up an entire episode.

>multiple plotlines
Other then getting popular and the occassional dramas there weren't much plotlines that developed out of these standalones.

That's why they are standalones and boring ones at that.

>don't get the professional idol industry
I can be a Professor of this so-called Professional Idol Industry and I'd still hate Idolm@ster 2011.

user, you're constantly saying you find idols boring, don't you think the other user might be right and you just prefer school anime?

Idolmaster is about girls' relationship with self-insert producer(at least the lead ones like Haruka, Miki, Uzuki, Rin etc.) while LL is more about relationship between girls.

>What's better? Cold and wet shit or hot and steamy shit?

>Like mentioned before, the Live TV show was pretty much all filler, and yes while I did find it a bit amusing and enjoyable I was also disinterested
The TV show was a positive. One of the few Idolm@ster episodes I liked.

>that they are going to actually act somewhat accurate to their given age
Umm yeah okay. Not sure if I should praise them for that since they are suppose to be writing characters acting their age.

>it was directly showing story progression
Maybe. Perhaps they could have shortened it?

>developed Makoto and Miki more, which certainly was necessary.
How?

>main drama
There's a few good episodes in Idolm@ster as I've mentioned. I count it as anything with HaruChiha, the TV episode, Christmas episode and to a lesser extent the final two episode.

The rest of the show did not excite me. I'll read your other post now.

>they don't need to waste time telling you that she is now making more to support her family or whatever.
If they did, they'd have actually convinced me it was not forgotten because there'd be some progress in her situation as she finds a way to provide for her family. There'd be a story there, it'd be developing and it'd be great.

>do an amazing job of balancing and distributing their screen time over the 26 episodes in ways such that each character can contribute something to move the story along in places, or to interact with a character in a specific way.
>don't bring this up in your face but it's there if you pay attention
How?

The way I read it it seems as though they bring up characters, they don't want you to forget about them yet they rarely bring them up again...which is exactly my gripes with the series.

Upon my reflections with my dislike of Im@s maybe that's why I enjoyed anything HaruChiha because there were more episodes to building up their relationship and interactions as they grew to increasingly trust and depend on each other.

>prefer school anime
I don't prefer Love Live because it's set at school. I prefer Love Live in spite of it's setting and for the storyline that no matter how crazy, bad or stupid was there and it gave the series direction and purpose as we knew where the story was going and why.

I don't say I find Idols boring, I say the way it was portrayed in the 2011 anime is boring.

I wouldn't say I have a preference for the school setting either since it's been done to death and I find too many SOL set in school too similar to be notable.

but then they really should have ended the series for good after Muse. I don't know what are their plans after Sunshine is but if it is another 9 girl band set in school its just pointless. If by some miracle they decide to keep Aquors maybe make third season where they actually go pro then we can compare series to Idol@sters

The way I see it is Haru, Chiha, Miki, was the main story (along with their relationship with Producer). With Haru being most important, then Chiha, etc. All the rest of the cast is, I guess you could say, fluff, and didn't need more screentime than they had (but of course it would be amazing if they could flesh things out even more and give more focus for all characters).

Let's look at Yayoi's case for example. We know she wants to make money for her family. Then later, we see 765 grow in success. There's not much more to show here. They could show a touching scene of her and her family maybe? But that would need setup, and it could feel out of place and detract from the main story beats relating to Haru/Chiha/Miki and Producer.

>writing characters their age
Not saying they're doing something praiseworthy, but that the episode was fleshing out the characters more, and doing it early, since first impressions of characters are important and serve as their base. For example, if Miki wasn't shown off to seem special compared to the others early on, it might feel jarring or unbelievable for her the story to suddenly claim she has more star power than others. Showing off things early on in a show that you need your viewer to accept is a common technique. If you want to show it later, then it would require more development/build up to make it believable.

>shortening
Perhaps yeah. But I think it's fine considering the limitations of TV format, and they had 26 episodes. Maybe the show is slow in parts, but I see it as extra content to enjoy, and the main story is still there.

>convinced me it was not forgotten
I guess this just depends on the viewer. I didn't feel they forgot or anything, so I didn't feel it was necessary.

>How is it there if they don't bring it up again
I'd have to pull up an example, but I mean the idols aren't static. Like, X character may not have advocated for the group to do Y in a later episode, if not for W sharing her feelings.

>you need to become one
You don't need to, but knowing about them entails more than a cursory tidbit of just knowing they're idols.

>The filler episodes didn't tell us anything about the world.
Are you fucking serious?
Ep 1 introduced us to the cast.
Ep 2 made us realize the incompetence of the girls when it came to marketing and the younger ones wanting to hurry up and mature.
The tokachi episode told us about the twins and how they viewed the idol industry.
The marriage episode was about Azusa and how her world view affected everybody around her.
So and so. What's hard to understand about it?

>understanding has little
Indeed, your understanding is little. You don't understand why you like LL so much when you don't like the "idols" part in the first place.
If you like idols, chances are you'll like anything idols in good stories, even if you have favorites.
But everything you're telling me is that you understood nothing about how the idol world works in iM@S.
That's what made me arrive to my conclusion, that you're one of the casuals drawn to the unique addition to this certain school anime: school idols.

>too bad we don't see more of it on screen just a lot of filler
HAHAHAHA

>they were jokes
True, most of the drama in LL were jokes.

>there weren't much plotlines
That's why I told you to stick to a linear plot.
Apparently, you can't fathom a world can be built out of separate storylines.

>I don't prefer Love Live because it's set at school.
It's not the setting you retarded MALfag, it's the progression of the story that's staple of school anime, the """direction""" you keep harping on about.

You don't care about idoling itself, hence why you didn't care about the premier show of idols.
It's like liking Hyouka and saying you like mystery shows, but find Gosick too convoluted and Baccano to be incoherent.

You. are. a. casual. and. shouldn't. be. talking. idol. anime. when. you. barely. understand. what. it's. about.

Holy shit, this is some unadulterated autism.

You're on Sup Forums, don't act like you're not part of it.

I'm not but thus is a whole new level. I really would like to see these fat idiots battling it out.

I definitely did like when they pushed the other characters aside and focused on the main stuff. Such as the last few episodes with the Chihaya/Haruka/Christmas stuff, where the show put all the focus there and didn't get distracted by other things. I did get bothered when for example, I thought Makoto was one of the main characters due to all her screentime in the first 2/3 of the show, but then had much less at the end. And this making me realize that characters would fall out of focus after their standalone episode aside from the main girls.

But it didn't bother me too much later on because they do briefly show/tell you, for example, thanks to X concert Makoto now has some male fans too, even if her fans are still dominantly female. And because I reminded myself to think of the show as having an "A side story" with a "B side story" helping to flesh out the world and characters and allow the "A side story" to continue.

>more than a cursory tidbit of just knowing they're idols.
Such as? What more do you need to know other then what they do?

>Ep 1 introduced us to the cast.
Concede this point. Never really had too many problems with Episode 1

>Ep 2 made us realize the incompetence of the girls when it came to marketing and the younger ones wanting to hurry up and mature.
Sure, it showed they were immature. Did it add anything in the long run other then a picture of them dressed up badly. I don't recall another episode focused on them that showed their maturation and them accepting they should be Idols in their own way.

>If you like idols, chances are you'll like anything idols in good stories, even if you have favorites.
If I like Idols for the music, I'll listen to them.

If I think it's a bad anime, even with Idols, I won't like it.

>you're one of the casuals drawn to the unique addition to this certain school anime
So just because I 'supposedly' fail to understand Idols somehow this makes me a casual? Even if I concede that still doesn't make the Idolm@ster anime better.

Even if presuming I failed to understand, the anime ought to have tried to make me like it more which it didn't do.

>you can't fathom a world can be built out of separate storylines.
Except that there wasn't these alleged separate storylines. There was still one- become popular and a lot of episodes that felt or were entirely unconnected to the point they could be boring filler.

>It's like liking Hyouka and saying you like mystery shows
I like Detective Fiction. I don't like Hyouka. And?

>shouldn't. be. talking. idol. anime. when. you. barely. understand. what. it's. about.
You are misinterpreting everything I've said and now you want to break up your sentences as if that will make your point better.

Number 1 Insult on Sup Forums.

both shows are good, Love Live has bigger fanbase though because of money which i dont understand honestly since both franchised are owned by the same company

speaking of idolm@ster, it has more songs variety in my opinion and thanks to the smaller fanbase we have usually comfier threads

actually idolm@ster may probably be not that much smaller in nipland since it's always above LL on comiket

why is everyone sat down

I really want to try Idolm@ster but I got tramautized after Love Live was so boring I had to drop it.

I haven't read this autistic conversation, but the guy saying IM@S is better is objectively right, and LLshitter is objectively wrong.

No

>Even if presuming I failed to understand, the anime ought to have tried to make me like it more which it didn't do.
Literally "I don't like it therefore it's bad"

They have money to make from the franchise so it's unlikely they would have ended it there.

>episode was fleshing out the characters more
Maybe it did do that but they could have still done without it.

Took me while to remember Makoto's episodes. I can't remember how many male fans she got at the end though. To me it felt like she never cared at all since she was always performing and not exactly counting her fan gender ratio afterwards.

>IM@S is better is objectively right, and LLshitter is objectively wrong.
Switch it around and you'll be right.

>love live
>every girl has the same face except for eyecolor and hairstyle

They're very different, just give IM@S a try! Stick with it for a few episodes and see how you feel, since the first episode has a bit of a unique approach and isn't what the series is like.

What if we had an anime... about an anime studio creating an idol anime (where the idols in that anime are trying to make it big), in order to make the voice actors into real idols?

the amount of arguments in your reply is astounding

Literally "you didn't do your job in making me care and understand this mysterious world I know nothing about, why should I care or like it?"

>Is this the poor man's Idolm@ster?

No, that's Side M

Fuck giving the fujos attention