Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Communism sounds good, I dont understand why you guys hate it.
Camden Allen
Gan i be gommie now?
Oliver Gomez
No.
Luis Garcia
Do not reply to troll threads. Report them and move on.
Wyatt Sanders
Still not?
Xavier Davis
You forgot to use your VPN, JIDF boy
Matthew Lopez
Put it in Israel first, then talk Goldberg. Feminist hippies and libtard commie cucks are killing the 1st world, all while Israel gets an ethnostate with walls and democracy, AND (((they))) work to help you.
Communism for Israel
Justin Miller
Commie hate thread?
Adrian Perez
It's a containment thread for /ptg/ boomers and stormniggers.
Real commie threads are all that discuss housing, student loans, etc.
Lucas Reyes
>1PBTID
Ethan Morgan
It's not doing a very good job then.
That's 90% of this board.
Dominic Bailey
Thats absurd goy. It is not like the German Revolution of 1918 was a Jewish led revolution that sought to spread communism... oh wait.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygCE9Y28xWg&t
Dylan Jones
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Samuel Jenkins
How do you guys justify the physical coercion of making people into Doctors and teachers or sewer cleaners and making them work for free?
Justin Jones
Oy vey! That's just a coincedence stupid go- err, I mean fellow gentile.
testing more trips cause why not
Kayden Wright
>for free What is this meme?
Eli Flores
Marxism-Leninism isn't Communism.
Connor Hughes
Well, if you consider that everyone gets the same monetary handout regardless of job or role in society, you can detach the universal income from the task they are coerced into learning and doing, so how do you justify that they are forced to do that?
Evan Hill
>everyone gets the same monetary handout regardless of job or role in society And what is THIS meme?
Have you tried not speaking in memes?
Aaron Carter
I’m just talking about the practicalities of communism lmao, if you think it’s a meme it speaks volumes about your ideology doesn’t it?
>people wouldn’t be forced into labour Well how do you expect to get them to work?
Jeremiah Hughes
>everyone gets the same monetary handout regardless of job or role in society That's hasn't been true of any "communist" state. Why do you think so many commies starve while their party leaders enjoy fine wine and caviar?
Grayson Williams
>I’m just talking about the practicalities of communism lmao, if you think it’s a meme it speaks volumes about your ideology doesn’t it? What the fuck are you even talking about? Why is it my job to figure out what the fuck you're connected to, because it sure as shit isn't reality?
"Forcing" people to work is for intermediary stages between capitalism and communism, where working will be a duty.
Ryan Price
The 1918 revolt was insignificant.
Jacob Gomez
>Why do you think so many commies starve while their party leaders enjoy fine wine and caviar? The USSR wasn't starving after 1947.
Chase Howard
>Well, if you consider that everyone gets the same monetary handout regardless of job or role in society
Ay yo this fucking guy thinks communism would have money. Retard.
Listen dude, communism is just a system in which everybody gets a ticket that has a number on it, and that number is how much bread you're not going to get. And if it is an odd number you're going to the gulag.
Levi James
>"Forcing" people to work is for intermediary stages between capitalism and communism, where working will be a duty.
lmao and how long is this "intermediary stage" supposed to last? a few years? a generation? two? a century? a millenia? or just until your shit collapses again and try again because it wasnt real socialism.
Ayden Martinez
>intermediary stages Are you implying that to make people want to work for free, you have to force them to do for a while?
If so, I hope you realise that’s retarded. What slave would be set free and then told “but do you still wanna work for nothing” and would rationally say yes? People that are coerced are bitter. They resist and they sabotage. Taylor, the father of scientific management, conceptualised the idea of soldiering for example, where employees all match the pace of the slowest worker, and do the least amount of work they can. Similar to goldbricking. This is inherent in behaviours of voluntary, yet undesired labour, let alone coerced labour. You’re delusional if you think that people will Work for free voluntarily, especially after brutal coercion and Work camps.
Leo Turner
When are you Communist going to admit that communism always falls at the same point, and rather than relaying on already well disproved and frankly boring points, actually come up with how you're going to fix this massive fault in the steps to 'true' Communism?
Because as it stands. Communism doesn't work. Communism has never worked. Communism will never work. Communism. Doesnt. Work.
Alexander Thompson
Who’s point are you arguing? There hasn’t been a “true” communist state
Aiden Martin
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdage two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Liam Gray
>work for nothing ???
Andrew Ortiz
communism is post scarcity and therefore impossible because humans will always compete for resources
even if it weren't all of the evidence is that commie countries grow more slowly than capitalist ones TOWARDS post-scarcity, so commie countries will always be stuck in a poor, forced labor transition state.
Chase Sullivan
>GDP is indicative of scarcity
Elijah Baker
No gomrades! Work for Gommunism!
Easton Morris
The time to debate communism was before they killed 100 million people. The time for arguments is over.
Luis Young
Prison labour isn't unique to communists. Prison labour for profit(i.e. slavery) is unique to capitalists.
James Allen
>scarcity it's supposed to be a measure of productivity, not scarcity.
Anyway even if GDP somehow "preferred" capitalist countries, it would have to "prefer" it at a differential of like 300% for commie countries to even be on par with their capitalist counterparts. Not likely, especially considering the mounds of corroborating evidence.
>The time to debate communism was before they killed 100 million people. >unionization would get you killed >peacefully protest for better pay and working conditions >the government deploys national guard to shoot you dead en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
Is this what "debate" looks like?
Liam Sanders
lmao "I'm fine with being forced to work for less pay as long as porky doesn't steal muh meme surplus value!"
Carson Perez
IM SUCH A HUGE FAGGOT I WISH DADDY MARX COULD RISE FROM THE GRAVE AND FUCK ME WITH HIS BIG BLACK COCK. YAY COMMUNISM ITS SO FABULOUS, WE ARE GOING TO SHOW THOSE STRAIGHTYS ONE DAY AM I RIGHT FELLOW FAGGOTS?!?!?!?!?!
Nolan Davis
>it's supposed to be a measure of productivity, not scarcity. To bad it doesn't do that worth shit. It only measures the amount of money in circulation.
>economic freedom meme
Landon Green
Shlomo your kippah is showing.
Will U use the FEMA camps already built 2 house useless eaters, like UR hero, Uncle Joe did with the Gulags?
Sebastian Lopez
>25 kills >all other union-related deaths maybe ~4000 (very generously) >this somehow makes communism (tens of millions killed explicitly BECAUSE of communist ideology) look not so bad
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Dominic Thomas
>less pay It's not the amount of pay, it's what you can buy with it. Your rent is 50% of your income under capitalism, most things under communism are cheap.
Owen Stewart
Who's meme flag are you flying again?
Tell me how it wasn't real communism! Tell me how it didn't fail at all the same point as all not real communism! Tell me all the same old tired boring points, and not how you would solve the massive failing economic fault that always crushes not real communism.
Jordan Lewis
look a faggot who cant tell the difference between sending people to prison for committing crimes and sending people to prison for thinking an unpopular opinion or thought. >kys faggot
Owen Gomez
>economic freedom meme how is it a meme exactly?
How do you explain the stunning success and growth of, for example, China's SEZs or Signapore? Yes, freedom works.
>To bad it doesn't do that worth shit. it correlates >.9 with GNP and other more focused measures of productivity. It's not perfect but it's plenty good enough (and certainly much better than you would believe if you've been trained to deny all of the damning evidence about the history of cummunism).
Camden Jones
Marxism is not politically incorrect, it's mainstream. die.
Jaxon Bennett
>It's not the amount of pay, it's what you can buy with it. yes even adjusting for PPP, capitalist economies grow much more quickly and are better even for the poor
>capitalists don't send people to prison for wrong-think niceme.me
Jacob Scott
go suck /leftypol/ tranny dick you kike
Adrian Anderson
Singapore and Hong Kong parked their ass on trade routes. Being Venice 2.0 and 3.0 isn't hard.
And you need to define "success" because chinese people throw themselves off buildings in SEZ.
Jace Hall
You’re a fucking retard
Jackson Parker
>better for the poor Wrong. In socialist countries, the poor are just that, poor. In capitalist countries, poor areas are ridden with homelessness, crime and mental illness.
Nolan Hughes
>Every commie shithole has large scale starvation >a small percentage of capitalist countries have large scale starvation. >commie thinks this is the same
Luke Fisher
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Brayden James
we can all agree that it's basically ad hominem to point to muh holodomor or muh holocaust. However, when an ideology explicitly states that the bourgeoise need to be liquidated for "exploiting" (ie providing jobs for) the poor. Sure the CIA does some whacky shit but it's not in line even with their official ideology.
Oliver Johnson
>Kek!
Oh look an act of government is suddenly 'capitalism', it's not like a communist to get those wrong!
Robert Torres
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Jackson Allen
related
Jackson Myers
Daily reminder!
Jose Miller
>small percentage Nice try. Free trade capitalism deliberately creates famine as holding back supply drives up prices and profit, which is why no developed country uses free trade for their food.
Jeremiah Davis
Singapore and Hong Kong where MADE into trade routes.
And how many Chinese are throwing themselves of building's?
Christopher Reed
>"Capitalism is when the government doesn't do stuff. And the less stuff government does, the more capitalist it is."
Cooper Turner
>>capitalists don't send people to prison for wrong-think yeah it's called the 1st amendment
>Wrong. In socialist countries, the poor are just that, poor. In capitalist countries, poor areas are ridden with homelessness, crime and mental illness. Do you notice how you have no facts to back that up? Why is it always ME who has to show the facts? I'm getting the impression you're an religious brainlet. Anyway that's fucking wrong, the poor in the US were wayyy better off than the poor in the USSR. Even blacks were better off in the US than the average Soviet Citizen in the 1950s.
>Singapore and Hong Kong parked their ass on trade routes. Being Venice 2.0 and 3.0 isn't hard. I'm not just talking about HK. Literally ALL the recent Chinese growth has been in metropolitan SEZs, they're not ALL ideal locations for trade routes.
If it's so easy then you mean to say free trade actually can work and make people rich?
>Free trade capitalism deliberately creates famine yeah, there's no such thing as competition or anything kek
Jackson Robinson
just because nobody liked you in high school doesnt mean you need to go and become a capitalist
Adam Hughes
all communists deserve to be murdered they are either kikes or the kikes willing slaves
John Diaz
China accounts for 30% of the world's suicides.
Luke Parker
I hope a communist nation arises with a 100 percent approval rating. I want to see them clamoring to try and get into a capitalist nation and have them denied back into their shithole.
Sebastian Young
Post physqiue and personal/professional accomplishments.
How often do you watch pornography? Have you ever had sex?
--most importantly, record yourself singing a song of your liking.
Then we can talk.
You're not even a communist.You're parading as one because you're neurotic and feel constant moral ambiguity.I bet you dream of world revolution so you don't have to think about your immensely shitty life.
Joseph Morgan
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Gabriel Mitchell
Correct.
Government is not Capitalism.
So tell me how you're going to fix the massive fault on the road to 'true' communism, because I'm still reading to same old boring points but no fixes for your 100 years of proven failure ideology.
Aaron Robinson
and 20% of the world's population
In any case are you really going to claim that "capitalism" is the only thing causing suicide in China?
Jason Baker
>Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. >Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. >Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution". >Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. >Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. >A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. >Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests. >A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. >Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. >Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. >Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
Reminder that communism meets all the criteria for a dangerous cult, and it's your moral duty to stamp it out
Aiden Mitchell
wow deluded brainlet commies want to live in a shittier place because of their ideology? color me shocked
Christopher Rogers
And your proof that it was capitalism's fault?
Jose Moore
>abysmal working conditions and shit pay in a country with absurdly high suicides and "suicide nets" >mere coincidence >USSR dissolves and goes gapitalist >suicide rate doubles, violent crime and hard drug consumption spikes >mere coincidence >East German women have double the rate of orgasm than their Western counterparts >mere coincidence ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Blake Nelson
KEK!
Free trade area's drive down costs. And what was the reasons that the west doesnt open up food markets... Oh yeah, communists unions that dont want to compete!
Isaiah Jenkins
>Inclosure Acts and protection of private property are enforced by the government >the entire way governments are organized is to resolve conflicts between rich capitalist owners (it's called parliamentary "democracy") >huge sections of legal code dedicated to private property >"Correct. Government is not Capitalism."
Kevin Williams
And the proof that this was capitalism's fault, citation needed.
Aiden Rogers
>abysmal working conditions in a 3rd world country boo hoo muh working conditions. They're still creating a better future for their children, unlike the ones that stay in rural commie provinces, just like the West did in the 1800s. >any country dissolves and its transition is corrupt and inept, and it ends up with an authoritarian state with very little economic freedom ok >higher education and income-->less sex ok
you still haven't replied to
Samuel Bell
so let me ask you something:
would China be better off without its SEZs? Should Cuba get rid of its private business licenses? Those are both EVIL CAPITALIST plots! youtube.com/watch?v=n-mUZRP-fpo
Caleb Phillips
>boo hoo muh working conditions >fucking proles complaining about black lungs n shit
Justin Moore
>thanks to labor another myth. Companies were already competing down work hours before unions became widespread.
Owen Brooks
>Inclosure Acts and protection of private property are enforced by the government
Enforced by government, not capitalism.
>the entire way governments are organized is to resolve conflicts between rich capitalist owners (it's called parliamentary "democracy")
Is it really! Kek! All government's are parliamentary 'democracies' All governments are for rich capitalists only And none of it capitalism
>huge sections of legal code dedicated to private property
Government, not capitalism.
>"Correct. Government is not Capitalism."
You repeat but yet fail to understand.
Still waiting on that path to true communism fix... Can't help but notice that in everyone of these that question gets ignored.
Jack Bailey
The rise of labour unions can be correlated with increases in living standards, before and after. The more labourers are given, the more they realise they can get. Not a commie, but showing working hours fall before major unionist movements proves nothing. In the BoE graph you can see a definitive drop in working hours correlating with the rise of the UK labour & trade union movement, despite a general decrease before that. There is evidence shorter working hours correlates with a decrease in aggregate happiness, on the other hand.
Isaiah Miller
Just pointing out that egalitarianism and appeals to a sense of fairness that a lot of commies use is a straight up lie.
Labor unions != authoritarian state socialism
Zachary Brown
well I guess it was soviet capitalists that seized my families farm, murdered some and send the rest into the freezing siberian laborcamps.
Nicholas Hill
oh no 25 people. lets disown "kulaks" (aka honest farmers that maybe owned a cow, some chicken and a small piece of land) starve them to death and send them into labor camps. also let countless people "mysteriously" dissappear.
Jordan Baker
Never happened, gulags didn't exist, famine was accidental but also planned by Stalin to only effect kulaks (who deserved worse), and it wasn't real socialism anyway. Sounds about right, doesn't it?
Daniel Turner
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Noah Ramirez
Unironically, this is what Communists think. The 'muh, not real Communism'!
But 'Soviet Capitalists' always crush the countries they run, long before 'real' communism can happen. But good luck getting a Communist to admit that and even better luck finding one that has any idea on how they may fix that proven 100 years worth of mistakes.
Tyler Sullivan
you do realize crony capitalism only arises due to policies that are socialist in nature right? you cant bribe somebody for something they have no power over. you cant bribe or lobby for subsidies if none are given out and goverment is not allowed to do so. tax breaks become less important if taxes are low, and hard to implement if taxation is simple and not every bullshit little thing is taxed extra to squeze more money out.
