Is there morality without God?
Is there morality without God?
Kevin Phillips
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David Stewart
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Camden Johnson
Yes, but no universal morality.
Chase Rogers
There "is", but it's subjective.
Without a metaphysical concept like God it's impossible to conceive of an objective set of rules for leading your life. We're just meat computers without a programmer.
Carter Harris
can non universal morality even be called morality?
Michael Bennett
I'd prefer a virgin/chad version of this
Carter Morgan
Yes. Systems like kantianism, utilitarianism and libertarianism are all logical, secular ways to go about morality.
Samuel Foster
> Systems like kantianism, utilitarianism and libertarianism are all logical, secular ways to go about morality.
All of these systems have massive problems:
>Kantianism=axe murderer at the door
>utilitarianism=utility monster
>libertarianism=what if the child consents?
In the end, people who say they follow these systems just do whatever they want anyway, and rationalize it later.
Hudson Morris
Also, universal doesn't necessarily mean objective, as an unanimous agreement wouldn't turn it into an "objective" reality.
Samuel Adams
There's no such thing as objective morality, it's entirely subjective. God created a world with the most horrific animals and diseases, giving no shits to the suffering of billions of people over thousands of years. I would say that morality exists, at the very most, in spite of God, but is definitely not reliant of there being God/a god.
Gabriel Kelly
Yes, I agree with your last point. Ultimately, we are slaves to our own instincts, and yes, all those systems have flaws. As I said before, no universal morality. In my opinion, humans really aren't that much better than animals, we're just smart enough to understand how our work works and to work together as a species. Morality exists, but only as a way to hold our societies together and get what is best for us all.
Jacob Allen
there is no morality at all. just spooks.
Matthew Miller
What is good if not following he who defines what is good?
Liberal Jesus says just be a good person but no one listens to him since apparently we have no need to
Joseph Sanders
By universal I mean independent of opinion and applicable everywhere.
That's bleak.
>Morality exists, but only as a way to hold our societies together and get what is best for us all.
How would we know what's best for society if all morality is subjective? Unless you're gonna make a marxist argument here you're kinda stuck.
You're misunderstanding the image.
Ryan James
God is a metaphor for united, ordered universe. morality follows
Ryder Sanders
What's best for a society is ultimately personal opinion. For one person it might be what is collectively best. For another it might be total equality. For me, it would be universally applied and upheld personal freedoms, with no one group having a monopoly on power.
Jason Campbell
yes,there is
but no salvation
Jayden Butler
All morality comes from God wether you believe in it or not.
Jacob Mitchell
Jose Reyes
>as an atheist i'm more moral because i dont need to be scared of the sky wizard to do right
Jonathan Taylor
There is, but it's determined by the guy with the biggest stick to beat everyone else into accepting his vision of morality
James Sanders
no, not with our limited intelligence and emotional capacity will always be geared more to personal gainz no matter how much bs someone spews about greater good it's to get laid or secure assets better
Jonathan Taylor
being scared of the sky wizard or not doesn't matter
sky wizard cares not for your opinion of him
Elijah Edwards
man sometimes bible quotes or whatever I was reading in your pic, anyway they're cool and when I think about reading the bible I see it as a wall of text and think about how much agenda is probably behind what's mainstream in the king james whatever version and decide it's not for me.
Jonathan Nguyen
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look into alfred rogers some
Adrian Martin
also this....
Julian Price
To truly have morality, you have to be smart enough to reach the conclusion that it is the right path, which sadly is not the case with many, many normies.
We evolved specific senses and instincts to allow us to be manipulated by someone smart enough to create a god, so this person will hopefully create a set of morals that will make the village work.
But those instincts are abused the hell out of by the modern system.
Joseph Smith
Framework of the universe is God, so God is a fact so objective morality is non-negotiable.
Wyatt Gray
will check it out
Aiden Hill
The Lord Jesus Christ is who I follow!
Joseph Stewart
Here are some thought experiments if you believe this:
Do dolphins have history and laws? Are beaver dams structural violence? Is an ant-farm different than a modern metropolitan city? Why are bee societies always monarchies? Does the queen have divine right of conquest? During the four year war of Gombe, did the chimps abide by any rules of engagement?
Alexander Ortiz
kinda cool, anything that's on point about this being a simulation is good to me but I'm still of the belief that existence and infinite creation didn't come from nowhere and developing a relationship with that something being an important part of life; you know, self reflection/discovery.
Julian Harris
That's not morality, that's just systematic
Christian Smith
I used to think the "utility monster" was a stupid objection to utalitarianism because such a creature is logically impossible.
Then I realised that the utility monster is Africans
> breed relentlessly, always expanding their consumptive power
> endless appetite for repetetive, base consumerism
> no ability to produce beauty, novelty, or innovation on their own
> even their lived experiences are basically identical amongst each other, so there's no novel subjective qualia being produced either
So now I want to genocide blacks out of moral terror as well as out of terror for the future of the human race
Hunter Turner
Jaxon Adams
yeah the wrong
ones
have gained too much power
today
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Anthony Barnes
though i would prefer the term quarantine
more than genocide
like an epidemic
in fact a
supposed real one there
if by way we can control the media
could be effected
a "biological wall"
rather than a real one
or metaphorical one
of political
gestures
real walls do work in some sense though
Connor Rivera
pretty much this. natural law is woven into the fabric of creation, like gravity it is invisible.
people desperately hate coming to the realization that natural law exists because it implies personal responsibility and righteous duty.
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ultimately, moral relativism is satanism and is perpetuated by the dark occult forces as a sweet lullaby to hasten the current winter-state of western civilization and gain complete control over it.
Jose Johnson
>Without a metaphysical concept like God it's impossible to conceive of an objective set of rules for leading your life. We're just meat computers without a programmer.
this is low tier bait or pure retardation. you don't need an all knowing non-material entity to craft material, chemical universes. you would just need to do some from the astral realms. have you never had an out of body experience or studied ecsomatic lab work?
Henry Murphy
Agreed. There can not be a set moral law if there is not a set moral law giver.
Nolan Johnson
here's a better review;
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altho I do think the ending was a moral judgment
>There are two basic ways of interpreting the ending. Either God is punishing Gopnik for taking the bribe
Jaxson Cooper
Of course. Morality is just a set of internalized rules and restrictions that force you to behave nicely towards society. You pick them up from your intrinsic nature, parents, school and the state. You dont need religion.
Religion is just an EXTRA component for morality. A very stringent one. It sort of works, but adds a lot of unnatural rules.
Kayden Robinson
No Country For Old Men transcends morality.
Gabriel Nelson
old school cool
Ayden Lewis
The whole movie is purposely amoral. With the intention of promoting and celebrating immortality
Jaxson Adams
This
Passio opened my eyes big time
still haven't found my eyelids
Joshua Robinson
i prefer the apocalyptic prophet who flipped tables in the temple while throwing out (((money lenders)))
Matthew Thomas
Elaborate?
David Harris
>Is there morality without God?
no. Without God, moral relativity is indisputable.
Oliver Wilson
>God created a world with the most horrific animals and diseases, giving no shits to the suffering of billions of people over thousands of years.
quit being a pussy. Life wouldn't be possible without death
Ryan Miller
Just like there are scientific facts, God allows for the possibility of moral facts. Without God, there are no moral facts, there are only moral opinions.
Camden Clark
Yet I did not mention death at all? Suffering and death are two different things. Nobody gains anything from being eaten alive or dying of cancer or plague, none of those things are the creation of a deity with any ethical or moral system.