A non-currency based economy is the only fair economy

Why does anyone who's rational support capitalism? It requires a fluid central currency control system to operate and is vulnerable to manipulation. By repeated advertising, iphones, which can't feed anyone are more valued than food. Currency based economies are poor economies that are vulnerable to human ignorance and addiction.

>criticizes and presents no solution
Textbook

*starves to death

>criticizes and presents no solution
A central planning committee that knows the preferences of individuals in the economy is the best approach. Google already knows all our preferences, and if there was a central planning committee in the U.S., Google to convey individual preferences to the committee which would then determine the optimal allocation based on everyone's preferences.

>*starves to death
Such a boring argument. Anti-commie fags on Sup Forums are so unoriginal and boring.

>my preference is to have 30 yachts and 50 mansions
Now give it to me

Quit complaining, if you want communism, move to North Korea. You have a place to go and no excuses left.

>>my preference is to have 30 yachts and 50 mansions
>Now give it to me
But you're not the only one in the economy. We'll have to check the preferences of all individuals in the economy. And preferences don't just account for what you want. They also account for what you're willing to do.

If everyone wants yachts, and people are just willing to work for boats, then the best possible allocation is to get everyone to work for boats and not yachts.

>Quit complaining, if you want communism, move to North Korea.
North Korea isn't communism. It's Kim-Jong-Unism.

Stop conflating dictatorships with communism.

China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam

>China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam
>China
Nepotism. Kids inherit father's positions, or jockey for the positions of their fathers in the committee.
>Cuba
Practically a monarchy with the Castro family as the royal family.
>Laos
Military dictatorship
>Vietnam
Da Fuck? Aren't they democratic? Ho Chi Minh was a soviet puppet.

So you're just proving the point that communism is no different than capitalism in the fact that it's corrupted in every nation that uses it. The reason communism won't work is because of human nature. Communism and humanity will never be able to be a thing successfully.

how do they measure those preferences tho? i thought prices were the best system because they are practical and dynamic

>vulnerable to manipulation
isn't this central commitee literally manipulating the entire economy then?

>So you're just proving the point that communism is no different than capitalism in the fact that it's corrupted in every nation that uses it.
But how? It's never been implemented by people who wanted communism. It's always been implemented by power hungry people who used communistic ideals to usurp power.

A currency based system will always ben corrupted by country that adopts it because currency gives people an incorrect understanding of the true value of goods. If we have a surplus of food and a scarcity of iphones, does the true value of food become lesser than iphones? No. But currency based systems will reflect this because iphones are advertised repeatedly, whereas, food is food. So currency based systems are always vulnerable to manipulation.

The only true way to go is to drop currency based systems and progress to a non-currency based system.

>The reason communism won't work is because of human nature. Communism and humanity will never be able to be a thing successfully.
The only reason communism doesn't work is because the rewards of communism are not advertised to the people properly.

>how do they measure those preferences tho? i thought prices were the best system because they are practical and dynamic
How does Google measure your preference for gay porn over goat porn?
>isn't this central commitee literally manipulating the entire economy then?
No.

You got your answer and this is all you can respond with?

>How does Google measure your preference for gay porn over goat porn?
you tell me, it's your central planning committee

>>isn't this central commitee literally manipulating the entire economy then?
>No.
isn't the manipulation of the economy an inherently element of a central planner?

Marxist based economies end in mass starvation.

>The only true way to go is to drop currency based systems and progress to a non-currency based system.
You're talking about revolutionizing our entire economy, with a very, very small group of individuals who hold no real power to overthrow the current system to implement yours. The benefits of (((true communism))) simply aren't worth the nightmare of changing our current system. The only communism I would support would be authoritative. The lack of an iron fist is why america in it's current state is barely treading water in the see of lefty cucks that want to destroy everything. Communism would most likely encourage this behavior, and if you believe in that way of thinking, you will hopefully see the gallows sooner than later.

>>How does Google measure your preference for gay porn over goat porn?
>you tell me,
You watch more gay porn over goat porn, you prefer gay porn over goat porn.
>isn't this central commitee literally manipulating the entire economy then?
>isn't the manipulation of the economy an inherently element of a central planner?
Oh I see, no. The economic manipulation I was referring to was the promotion of goods that actually don't have much value in the long run. Like promoting porn over food, for example. A central planner's job is to derive pareto optimal outcomes, not to manipulate the economy in the way I mentioned.

Oh boy, the 'not real communism' argument.

You can either accept that the systems that were put into place were real communism and were spectacular human rights atrocities and starvation, or you can admit that your entire economic and ideological position is so poorly considered that it fails before it begins.

Beyond that, I have a simple question. Do you enjoy the current level of technical development the human race is experiencing. If the answer is yes, then you need to realise that this is thanks to capitalism. Unless you have an understanding and the practical skillset and resources of everyone involved in the process of fabricating, programming and generating the power for a computer, you are asking for backwards steps into feudalism. You simply cannot create innovation without a currency- how the fuck do you barter your ability to program in C+ to a hairdresser?

>You're talking about revolutionizing our entire economy, with a very, very small group of individuals who hold no real power to overthrow the current system to implement yours.
Sounds very much like America.

>Do you enjoy the current level of technical development the human race is experiencing. If the answer is yes, then you need to realise that this is thanks to capitalism.
Tech advancement is due to currency manipulation completely exploiting human desire for developing new tech to make life easier. Without currency manipulation, we'd have 18th century tech in the 23rd century. Yet, we have really advanced tech now. It's because of currency manipulation and not because humans want telephones and iphones.
>You simply cannot create innovation without a currency- how the fuck do you barter your ability to program in C+ to a hairdresser?
What's the purpose of this question? Are you saying somehow knowing C++ is tougher than a hairdresser's job? Both jobs require training, and it's just that one has been around for centuries and seems easy - even though it's just that there are well developed training techniques in that field.

But coming to your question on bartering. It won't be a direct barter between a hairdresser and a C++ programmer. The C++ programmer will do the work, and in turn, will receive goods and services from multiple individuals. Same for the hairdresser.

Yeah but this isn't 1776 it's 2018. With a lot more people against what you believe in. Which in my personal opinion, communism on paper sounds ok, but like I said before, humanity isn't altruistic, and doesn't have the capability to be. Money rules everything, always has, always will.

Good way to catch my knife in your belly: Ever take this cringeposting off the internet. You open your mouth and speak one word of that criminal Lenin at me, and you die.

So you'll keep it nice and safe, nice and quiet on the internet where you can't be punished for your criminal behavior.

>But how? It's never been implemented by people who wanted communism. It's always been implemented by power hungry people who used communistic ideals to usurp power.
What is the road to communism if the dozens of commie revolutions before all lead to Not Real Communism™?

Who plans to mess with property rights gets free helicopter rides.
Your plan to match supply with demand is infantile at best.
Your world view is maybe a century old and it can't coexist with what humanity lives by since millennia.

>Why does anyone who's rational support capitalism?
Because private ownership of MOP is the most rational way of going about things and value is generated mostly by supply and demand, not the amount of labor.
>It requires a fluid central currency control system to operate and is vulnerable to manipulation.
Like most civilized systems but it still requires less than communism
>By repeated advertising, iphones, which can't feed anyone are more valued than food.
Because it basically is more valuable(supply and demand). Have you any idea how much impact the iPhone or smartphones have had on the modern world?
>Currency based economies are poor economies that are vulnerable to human ignorance and addiction.
ok. So every economy, including the communist ones

>You watch more gay porn over goat porn, you prefer gay porn over goat porn.
that's it? we'll go to the cpc to tell them "x > y > z"? that doesn't seems practical at all, because it implies we need to tell them every single preference over every single thing on the world, not to mention people change their preferences at every moment

do we need to make a list with every single thing on the world and then sort those things from 1 to x and then we need to keep the list updated?