It's literally Himmler saying the Nazi Party is exterminating the Jews.
Also all the objections from deniers on this: >ausrottung doesn't mean extermination!!
Every native-German speaker objects. When you use the verb ausrotten or noun Ausrottung in a context with living beings, it means exterminate or extermination.
>but..the word meant something else!! look up in old dictionaries!!
No. Also never is the citation for these dictionaries provided by the deniers. This holocaust denier point comes from English interpretation of German words, but that's not how it works.
>it's fake!!
No, nor do the actual holocaust deniers/revisionists claim so. The Posen speeches are well documented.
>it's not Himmler!!1
That's what the actual Holocaust deniers claimed, they claimed it's an imitator but there are more recorded speeches by Himmler, totally destroying this point. Such as "1944-05-25 - Heinrich Himmler - Rede vor Vertretern der deutschen Justiz in Kochem" and also the speeches from the Second Posen Speech.
Furthermore, Himmler says " [...] wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen. [...]" where "dieses Volk" refers to Jews, umbringen means kill, proving more than already needed that with Ausrottung he meant extermination.
Along with countless other proof, people still deny the Holocaust. It's funny that the people who deny it are vastly politically motivated (neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc.).
Then you really ask yourself why Holocaust deniers are laughed at... :^}
"Es trat an uns die Frage heran: Wie ist es mit den Frauen und Kindern? Ich habe mich entschlossen, auch hier eine ganz klare Lösung zu finden. Ich hielt mich nämlich nicht für berechtigt, die Männer auszurotten- sprich also, umzubringen oder umbringen zu lassen – und die Rächer in Gestalt der Kinder für unsere Söhne und Enkel groß werden zu lassen. Es mußte der schwere Entschluß gefaßt werden, dieses Volk von der Erde verschwinden zu lassen."
"We came to the question: How is it with the women and children? I decided to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed – and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth."
Lincoln Hall
Maybe I just don't care
Christopher Davis
bump
Benjamin Ramirez
>I'm a pro Nazi >I'm actually happy that Holocaust happened
Mason Miller
Based Roach
Jeremiah Perez
ok assuming himmler at some point verbally expressed a desire to exterminate them, how many did he exterminate? isn't that actually the main point of contention? 6 gorilon?
Shalom, it's you again While it's appreciated you bitch slap the schizos in holocaust denial threads, don't overextend your welcome Bon courage
Jace Cox
Based mutt
Jack Turner
based
Lucas Lee
that guy looks pretty turkish desu
Juan James
>shalom "im not jewish"
Asher Evans
>It's literally Himmler saying the Nazi Party is exterminating the Jews. Only because the Polish people forced their hand. Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews: Poles did. >>it's fake!! No, the Polish Holocaust is very real
Andrew Adams
not white enough
Proof that the Polish Death Camps were a real thing
Ethan Lopez
>Blaming Poland for the holocaust Literal kike detected
I really don’t care if Himmler said they were turning the jews into sausage meat. We know that the jews weren’t turned in sausage meat. We also know that the holocaust never happened and the jews were not being exterminated. Not a single jew was gassed to death, not one. There objectively was no program of exterminating jews. That’s an objective fact. Regardless of what Himmler said and what the word means or whether even he really said it or not. It means nothing because we know the holocaust never happened. If you want to believe that it did, that is a faith-based opinionated belief. One that is objectively false at that. Stop spreading the dangerous jewish lie of the holocaust or we will kill you. It’s a simple as that. We are going to start killing holocaust externinationist shills and believers. I no longer care about changing your minds.
Jaxon Lee
>what I say is objective fact, WE know this
the man was a powerful member of the Nazi regime, why should we disgard what he said because you’re so invested in your belief, which are founded on dispositions regarding an ethnic group rather than historical context and significance?
to say the Holocaust happened isn’t even making a claim it was entirely unjustified or that the Allies were entirely in the right.
Angel Peterson
Then refute these
Colton Nelson
>bla blah meme flags and kikery
Fuck off. I don’t engage you morons anymore. I just don’t fucking care. There was no holocaust. You want to keep saying their was? Then it’s your funeral. I take that back, you won’t get any funerary rites. We will recycle your organs and make animal feed and fertilizer out of the rest of you.
Death is the least of what you deserve
Alexander Hall
this image refutes everything
Ryder Rodriguez
>waaa fuck off!!1 i can't debunk any of these!! waaah!
Bentley Johnson
Pretty sure this entire thread on """both""" sides is just the same side shilling
You guys always come off so disingenuous.
Zachary Jones
Pic related. I'm not paid, in fact have more than enough money for the rest of my life. I'm not on the behalf of /his/.
Joseph Jackson
This is a Jewish thread, they argue endlessly about bullshit. My answer is if the holocaust happened it obviously failed and we should figure out why so we don't fail again.
Liam Price
based /his/ poster
Andrew Phillips
pic related
Adam Cook
Nazis were controlled opposition
Robert Martin
Now that's what I call edgy.
>Debunking denier memes is being a jew ranting about bullshit. Sad.
Hunter Flores
>dats rite goy!!! da shoah happened!!! remember the 6 million!!!!
Xavier Anderson
oy vey think of all the jews electrocuted into ash and the babies stuffed into soccer balls.
Jason White
oy vey the trauma! trauma embedded into my DNA goy!!!! we need more reparations!!!!
>Comments are disabled for this video >document's location is in America >implying this is bad if it's true
Jeremiah Jenkins
Nobody denies it, thats your side that instantly throws out HOLOCAUST DENIER, anytime someone questions an element of the story. Settle yourself heathen.
Uh, no. The vast majority of the Sup Forumstards and stormtards do. Even the mainstream Holocaust deniers did, but TODAY they don't anymore, people like Iring, Weber, Hunt, Cole.... The more reasonable ones only cast doubt on the number.
Camden Morris
Whether the holocaust happened or not doesn't matter. Jews want all whites dead, we are the reaction to that. I don't feel sorry for people who want to kill me.
Um....like, no, sweetie? Maybe you could, like, I don't know, uh, substantiate your claim?? You should, um, get some, evidence maybe before you start spouting off assumptions, sweetie? It's, like, you know... um.. intellectually dishonest?? Try again, sweetie ;)
Mason Morris
remember the holocoaster
Grayson Kelly
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Liam Taylor
So what? That doesnt change the fact that the jews killed waaaaay more europeans that the holohoax, they provoke the german surrender in ww1 and ww2, comunism, american slave debt, our economic and bank system and the killing of palestinians in Palestine. I dont care if the jews suffered in a fake holocaust, they deserve a real and a big holocaust. The jews are our misfortune
Hunter Martinez
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Josiah Jackson
Also assertions are not facts.
Grayson Lee
Where are the bodies?
Jaxon Lewis
See
Logan Parker
It doesn't matter if there was a holocaust or not. It was so long ago that almost everyone from back then is dead. Let it go.
Jose Turner
I don't care
Wyatt Cox
Jew here
Exterminate means to drive away, not to slaughter; look into the Havaara agreement if you want to better understand this. It's important to make a discernment here, because I don't think anyone would claim that anti-semitism didn't put people in camps, just as anti-jap sentiment put them in camps along the West coast. In both cases, each group was considered to be dangerous to the war effort of the state; not to mention that not ALL Jews or Japs were rounded up. In Germany's case however, there was a total war campaign waged against her which led to the absolute abhorrent state of the concentration camps. Cremation was a way, like mass graves, to dispose of the piling bodies ravaged by disease and starvation.
In my opinion the Shoah shouldn't be used as a weapon against Germans, nor should it be referred to as a Holocaust. The latter has a religious/sacrificial connotation which implies those people were sacrificed for Zionism/Israel. What bothers me most is that Jews try to monopolize this event and even used it as the foundation myth for Israel, which I heavily oppose
Jace Rogers
>doesn't matter >mentioned in more than half Sup Forums threads
ביסט זשעטז ספּריח ײדיסה ביטע
No. Exterminate doesn't mean to drive the away.
Havaara agreement was only between the zionist and the government. Germans needed money - a lot of property was confiscated from the Jews that accepted the agreement - 60k. Germany was in serious economic troubles, in 1938 it almost went bankrupt but Mr. Hitler went on clearing the accounts of Germany's citizens and forced the private sector to buy government bonds.
You can't compare Jap camps and the ones in Germany. Japs weren't used as slave labor, Japs weren't systematically murdered.
If cremations were only to dispose the piling bodies ravaged by disease and starvation, why would they build several crematoriums that have a daily capacity of ~3,5k? Along with the open-air cremations spotted from the air.
Elijah Ross
the fake Posen speech translation again, again ? archive.is/GfNxG it's archived because admins are faggots and censors the actual link fucking faggots
Carson Diaz
And this is refuted in the first two posts...
Benjamin Evans
Also love how the person in the comment already destroyed OP, lmao.
Kevin Bailey
Even if you're right I don't care. They would have deserved it.
I'm not convinced by the links you gave for a number of reasons, but like I said I actually do not care enough to debate it with you.
Actually I'm sort of hoping you're right.
Lincoln Green
Classic. When has no rebuttal, always goes back to: "they deserved it!!1" which is also based on your assertion.
Jordan Sanders
>No. Exterminate doesn't mean to drive the away. Not anymore it doesn't, but here's a definition from around the turn of the century which includes its modern use too: Ex`ter´mi`nate v. t. 1. To drive out or away; to expel. >webster-dictionary.net/definition/exterminate
>Havaara agreement was only between the zionist and the government. Germans needed money - a lot of property was confiscated from the Jews that accepted the agreement - 60k. Germany was in serious economic troubles, in 1938 it almost went bankrupt but Mr. Hitler went on clearing the accounts of Germany's citizens and forced the private sector to buy government bonds. Property wasn't confiscated; as far as assets go, people were forced to buy German manufactured goods. Not that it's any better since it's a forced transaction, but a transaction nonetheless
>You can't compare Jap camps and the ones in Germany. Japs weren't used as slave labor, Japs weren't systematically murdered. Yes you can, both instances were racially motivated, occurred well into the war, and both were used as workers/slave labor. You're pushing the line when you say Jews were systematically murdered, as if we were the only targets. Most people weren't gassed to death as well which leads me to
>If cremations were only to dispose the piling bodies ravaged by disease and starvation, why would they build several crematoriums that have a daily capacity of ~3,5k? Along with the open-air cremations spotted from the air. Because people were dying rapidly? I don't know if you'd want thousands of typhus-ridden dead bodies in your vicinity. It was disgraceful that it happened in the first place, but to both ignore the Allies' role in the worsening of camp conditions and monopolize the event are disingenuous
Jaxon Gomez
Are you really using English dictionary for a German word?
Also he used it as a synonym to "umbringen" twice, can you like... read the first two posts before you post the things I already addressed?
No, once again. Japanese weren't used as slave labor. The closest thing that came to that was when some Japanese were released from the camps to work in agriculture but not in slave conditions. Also there was an event in Hawaii were Japanese were helpful and therefor not even interned into camps. Also I have no idea how you can compare detention camps in America with death camps that Germany had.
Also I never said Jews were the only ones, but they were the ones targeted the most. I provided links which also show gassings of Soviet civilians. Also Germany murdered 3 million Soviet PoWs, 2 million Poles, 1 million non-ethnic Poles, few another million Soviet civilians... But they are not getting denied, only the Jews are.
You're making assertions now. There is numerous proof that gas chambers were made for systematic killing and the crematoriums for disposal of the bodies. Building large capacity crematoriums just to dispose the bodies due to typhus makes no sense, because Germans evaded typhus ridden areas, mostly. That's also the reason why they even provided any health care to their slave labor. Even people dead from typhus are accounted for in the Holocaust, by the way as it was the Germans who put them into those conditions.
Allies' bombardment didn't cause the worsening conditions, not to even say that the vast majority of the Jews were already murdered in 1942 and 1943. Provide proof that Allies' bombing caused the aforementioned terrible conditions - I already know you can't, not a single holocaust denier can yet you people parrot this all the time.
Leo Johnson
>I really don’t care if Himmler said they were turning the jews into sausage meat. We know that the jews weren’t turned in sausage meat. We also know that the holocaust never happened and the jews were not being exterminated. Not a single jew was gassed to death, not one. There objectively was no program of exterminating jews. That’s an objective fact. Regardless of what Himmler said and what the word means or whether even he really said it or not. It means nothing because we know the holocaust never happened. If you want to believe that it did, that is a faith-based opinionated belief. One that is objectively false at that. Stop spreading the dangerous jewish lie of the holocaust or we will kill you. It’s a simple as that. We are going to start killing holocaust externinationist shills and believers. I no longer care about changing your minds. very logical response
>We also had an orchestra >Later on we had a band who played over the weekend >We also did plays >A grand piano was brought into block 1. >The downstairs room was assigned for theater >There was a library where you could get books to read >We had a violin quartet >They made a movie theater in the camp ... we could go see movies sometimes >We were allowed twice a month to write home ... they gave us the materials >We could have money >Once in a while [in the cantina] they sold a few cigarettes or they sold something so if you had money you could buy it >They sold weak beer >Once the money stopped we got paid in coupons that were redeemable in the cantina. That was their way of distributing money. Everybody got this money >We made a soccer team >Food didn't improve very much for simple reason, they didn't have very much themselves. >That was 1944 so it's really almost things came to a close
Kevin Cook
>I am talking about the Jewish evacuation. The Jewish extermination. Only a retard would translate Ausrottung as "extermination" when he literally just said it was an evacuation in the previous sentence. The word Ausrottung has redefined over the past century because people now assume the meaning from mistranslations of this speech. That's not a new thing. It's sorta like how now everyone thinks "nimrod" means "stupid" because Bugs Bunny used it sarcastically once. But culture takes hold and words change. And in this case, Ausrottung now means extermination exclusively because of its redefinition.
Ryder Rogers
I don't think you know what the word holocaust means you retard.
Thomas Howard
holocaust == slow cultural sacrifice. jews are holocausting germany is more accurate.
Cameron Green
as I type this.
Josiah Ramirez
Curious how the JIDF shut the fuck up after this post.
Already addressed this - " [...] wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen. [...]" where "dieses Volk" refers to Jews, umbringen means kill, proving more than already needed that with Ausrottung he meant extermination.
Also "[...] Ich hielt mich nämlich nicht für berechtigt, die Männer auszurotten- sprich also, umzubringen oder umbringen zu lassen – und die Rächer in Gestalt der Kinder für unsere Söhne und Enkel groß werden zu lassen. [...]"
Translation "[...] I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed – and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. [...]"
In the German language, when you use the word Ausrottung or ausrotten in a context with a living being, it means exterminate as in kill. You're getting your information second hand, but I'm a native German speaker.
Claiming that it DOESN'T MEAN exterminate is retarded. And no it didn't redefine in the last century.
lol
Christian Nguyen
[citation needed]
Elijah Stewart
Nabijem te na kurac
Oliver Flores
holocaust ˈhɒləkɔːst/ noun noun: holocaust; plural noun: holocausts a Jewish sacrificial offering which was burnt completely on an altar.
if jews really did die in huge numbers where is the paranormal activity in those places, usually ghosts and other beasts inhabit places of death hmmm? seems like a bunch of bullshit if there were no paranormal activity was spotted during all those years
Ethan Wright
Saved it, also go Jews!
Dylan Morris
The definition of the Holocaust today is the systematic extermination of the Jewish people in Europe by the Nazis, what exactly are you trying to achieve by copy pasting that?
And these videos... prove what exactly? Still [citation needed]
He meant he was eliminating the problem of Jews, not the Jews.
Jason Carter
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Grayson Jones
go learn german kike. I liked it better when JIDF posted israeli sluts to rape
John Thompson
Whether or not your ideas are welcome on this board, I want to thank you for arguing with actual sources and ideas rather than trying to use shaming tactics for the upteenth time.
That aside, whether it happened or not is irrelevant to the real discussion, which is the abhorrent commercialization and collective guilt-baiting that it had led to.
" [...] wir hatten die Pflicht unserem Volk gegenüber das zu tun, dieses Volk, das uns umbringen wollte, umzubringen. [...]" where "dieses Volk" refers to Jews, umbringen means kill, proving more than already needed that with Ausrottung he meant extermination.
I was using an English dictionary to define an English word
>Japanese weren't used as slave labor Yeah because being forcibly relocated from your home and working as a barber in Manzanar isn't slave labor because they were supposed to be self-sufficient? The US had the resources to keep those camps in manageable condition
>Also I have no idea how you can compare detention camps The camps were heavily politicized and doctored by the Soviets who had an anti-German angle to push. I'm not willing to trust the word of people who shifted the blame of things like the Katryn massacre. Red Cross was allowed into Auschwitz and made not one observation of mass killings. Not to mention the ludicrous Russian claims at Nuremberg such as: >vaporizing 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz with atomic energy >killing 840,000 Russian POW at Sachsenhausen concentration camp in one month, with special pedal-driven brain-bashing machines >steaming Jews to death like lobsters at Treblinka Makes it hard to trust uncle Joe, you know?
>But they are not getting denied, only the Jews are. I see where you're coming from now; all I'm saying is there's a heavy political slant that works as a two-prong demonization of Germany and victimization of Israel. Neither of which serve to benefit the people of those countries.
>gas chambers were made for systematic killing and the crematoriums for disposal of the bodies. Okay, but you're acting like the latter is some kind of coverup of the former and not just a way to dispose of carcasses. There's a conflation between people who died as partisans, people who died as civilians, and people who died in camps. Germans put them in the camps yes, and they were part of a larger infrastructure apparatus and as such suffered as well
