>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You have the right to arm yourself to overthrow a corrupt goverment.
It made sense in the context it was made, back in 1791, giving power to the people and what not. But who the fuck is going to be storming the white house with a Glock these days? It also seems like a democracy with a heavy lack of judgement if you're constantly fearing the VERY PEOPLE YOU VOTED FOR, are going to turn on you.
It seems bizzare sticking with outdated laws that don't have any relevance in the context they now operate in
I think of Pinochet's Chilean death squads, the Caravan of death. For anyone who says the need to be armed against a tyrannical government is outdated, I present a relevant case in the Western Hemisphere not too far away and not too long ago. And I am so beyond surprised that this debate always boils down to the same talking points and cliched arguments. The constitutionality of the Second Amendment, the purpose, intent, and relevant historical context is settled law. The debate is over. Of course I realize a lot of people would not like the debate to be over, but it is. Our 2nd Amendment codifies an individual right to bear arms explicitly for the purpose of being a member of an old school 18th century militia, but by no means limited toward that end. Hunting and self-defense are are not the explicit or primary intent of the Second Amendment, but they're covered within the individual right to own a firearm just the same. Some people ask if us gun "nuts" really expect to defeat the United States military. Of course that point is completely moot. Does anyone really expect the US military to fire an American citizens? Who would they shoot at but their families, their friends, and their neighbors? Hostilities or conflict would never get that far. In the 21st century the purpose of owning firearms in defense from a tyrannical government is not some awesome Red Dawn scenario. In the 21st century the ownership of weapons is a symbol of non-compliance. I don't know what circumstances might bring about the use of the Second Amendment or require that symbolism to be displayed. It's not the top marginal tax rate going from 35% all the way up to 39%. It's not a mandate to buy health insurance or an increase in Medicaid spending. I don't know what circumstances would bring the Second Amendment to its historical fruition, but that Amendment serves as a wonderful little "r" republican virtue...a well-armed citizenry.
Samuel Walker
10/10 pasta
Evan Lopez
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED YOU FUCKING KEKHOLD
Jeremiah Flores
Thank you, user.
Eli Ramirez
Shall not be infringed.
Even people convicted of felonies have the right to own firearms.
That's the Goddamn constitution, stop trying to fuck with it.
Dylan Bailey
But why though, why are you scared that the people you voted for a corrupt lunatics
Logan Price
Please speak English if you're trying to respond to me.
John Gray
>Is The Second Amendment outdated? It's needed now more than ever
Juan Scott
Are you inherently afraid that the people you voted into power are going to have a change of heart so drastic, that you by sheer force will have the need to overpower them
Liam Smith
tell me why its not relevant, explain in detail
Justin Butler
The 2A has never been more necessary with all those gun-hating anti-Americans on the loose. The founding fathers could see these cunts coming over 200 years ago. I guess gun-grabbers will have to find out the hard way what, "Don't tread on me" means because they are illiterate uncomprehending fools.
Nolan Evans
Is America not a modern democratic state with no looming civil wars or revoultions?
Colton Reed
The Third American Revolution is already underway.
Leo Hill
Now how the fuck are we expected to arm ourselves in the face of tyranny if we've already surrendered all of our weapons?
You're tits on a bull useless. KYS.
Lincoln Miller
This isn's an argument against guns, but pro civilian ownership of tanks, fighter jets and ICBMs. Also, pic related.
Samuel Foster
The issue is that if you do this with one amendment there’s nothing stopping them from using the same logic for other amendments.
Camden Fisher
Agreed Free speech doesn't apply to the internet either
Nathan Rivera
the government should be scared of its people to make sure they don't forget who they're supposed to serve
Mason Gonzalez
Governments have shown in the past that they cannot be trusted even going so far as to murder their own citizens. The only way to keep them in check is with force.
Henry Watson
The Bill of Rights was made with the sole intention of making it so the government was powerless to regulate it or make changes to it. That's why the second amendment is so important, if you take away the right to defend ourselves, America will become an Authoritarian police state
Hudson Long
What sort of tyranny are you expecting there to be
Brody Nelson
See but that's the thing, it doesn't even function the way it was intended anymore.
it from being able to overthrow the goverment, to simply the right to defend yourself and your property, which is a different story than overthrowing a goverment with a militia
Cameron Cook
Yes. Why not be suspicious of those who merely won an election? It does not mean they are agents of the people in their intent.
Jack Reed
fuck off dansk we don't need your commie shit here
James Lewis
The right to bear arms predates the constitution. The 2A forbids Congress from passing any law to interfere with thus right. Unfortunately, the constitution doesn't forbid them from banning rope.
Asher Sanchez
Seems like you didn't do your democractic due diligence when you chose a candidate to vote for
Robert Howard
If the second is outdated the first has been outdated for decades
Ryan Perry
K, why ban guns then?
Cooper Fisher
Elections are localized to states and even districts except for the presidency and vice presidency.
Hunter Mitchell
Wow you're fucking stupid, good job
Adam Foster
Then reinstate the citizen's right to be able to overthrow the government, not ban the small right to defend themselves they still have.
Logan Evans
Part of the reason for the 2A is to give people the means to arrest criminals, which is the main reason why Congresscritters and assorted beltway morons hate it.
Owen Ross
I'm not necessarily talking about banning guns, maybe the amendment should be "that every citizen has the right to defend arm and defend himself" which is how the amendment is interpreted today
Asher Miller
arm and defend himself*
Wyatt Cook
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Asher Morales
And if the government pulls some shit?
Liam Bell
...
John Rogers
It's about self-defense. We have an inherit right to defend ourselves.
Self-defense is outdated?
Parker Powell
Why would a democratically elected goverment pull some shit?
Hudson Brown
... Because bad people can lie and play the long con? You cant be serious
Brandon Lewis
Because the personnel of that government have secretly pledged their allegiance to a foreign power. One that hates Protestants.
Noah Rodriguez
They still have history books over there? Or are they being phased out for Islamic Studies?
Alexander Rivera
United States has never been a democracy it is a republic. Look up the difference.
Andrew Gutierrez
it's actually
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
and
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Jack Russell
I just don't get that deep distrust in the people you, yourself, voted for.
I'm mean sure, technically you could have inadvertently voted for a real life bond villain but that seems like a bad Hollywood screenplay
Kevin Torres
AMERICA LITERALLY INVENTED EVERYTHING YOU USE TODAY AND IF DIDNT INVENT IT >we made it better
Fuck off Norway, your country doesn’t do shit and the average person this planet doesn’t even recognize your flag. Your pussies couldn’t even manifest destiny that’s why your is so geographically shitty .
Levi Myers
>not having trust for someone who will say anything to get a vote from you Hmmmmmm.
Camden Nguyen
Sure, but isn't that fraud and should strip away your power legally anyways
Jaxson Hill
>American education
Parker Powell
Typical low German, "I'll go along with anything!' If you're actually interested, look up the PBS Frontline Documentary on the Bundy Ranch. None were convicted.
Aaron Ross
>he trusts politicians
Jaxson Hernandez
>isn't that fraud Who's going to stop you? The panel of like minded people whom put you where you are now or you gathered over your time in a position of power? Surely these absolute saints are going to cast off any gain of power and wealth in order to do the right thing.
Elijah Fisher
> VERY PEOPLE YOU VOTED FOR
>america is a democracy
wew lad
Cooper Thomas
The person you vote for doesn’t always win. But let’s say that what liberal protestors have accused Donald Trump of are theoretically true. Say he’s literally Hitler and will pull some turner diaries shit, rounding up all the gay, black, Latino, etc Americans to execute or force them into labor camps. They do this all entirely legally by having majority control in all aspects of government. Would this be a reasonable form of tyranny to exercise their second amendment rights against?
Hunter Flores
You're missing the point. The top personnel of the Federal Govenment are compromised. They cannot be trusted. The 2A forces them to make a pretence of abiding by the Constitution and not governing as they would really like which would make Stalin's Soviet Union look like a holiday camp.
Henry Hughes
Yeah shut the fuck up, America apparently has the best education in the world because the whole fucking world uses our inventions and comes to us for innovation .
What the fuck has Norway done? You fucking pussies couldn’t even conquer the weak indigenous population .
Jackson Miller
Absolutely
Here's the thing Absolute freedom has turned you fucking idiots into disciplinless cavemen.
There are so many better countries out there with no explicit 2A but regimented safety and inspection and regulation prgrams that have healthier gun cultures than the US.
US gun culture is absolutely disgusting. Fucking cavemen ass cletus with no respect for weapons clearly cant be trusted to train himself well.
We absolutely need regimented regulation because there are too many uneducated idiots out there that because we have ABSOLUTE FREEDOM never ever imrprove.
Constituionalists are fucking cave people
Andrew Lee
I would say you deserve to get shot but that would be a waste of a bullet.
Asher Turner
Of course it would be, but that entire scenario feels like a post-apocalyptic movie where a new civil war breaks out. I'm not saying there's zero percent chance a civil war can't happen, but hasn't time and especially america changed since the 1700s
Sebastian Jackson
Point is full stop the US has absolutely lazy, and ass backwards gun culture.
You people dont deserve to have a gun because you are low IQ mongs
Christian Roberts
OP This user right here, gets it
Wyatt Cooper
>memeflag You probably are fucking American you retard
America is the best country, we literally are the king of the world and all you shitty countries will be forced to go to war if we ask you to
Michael Sanchez
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Chase James
Do you have anything constructive to add to the conversation or is your go to statement "The gov't. will take care of it"?
Liam Rivera
You honestly think that a left-wing people's miltia is forming to overthrow Trump? Possibly, I wouldn't know
Lincoln Perez
>No mandatory service requirements
So none of you even know how to handle guns at all correctly in crisis situations.No larping in the woods doesnt fucking count.
>No standard inspection requirements unlike your fucking cars lmao
So you have shit safety standards
>cant even be trusted to leave your guns around the house because a fucking child will pick the gun up and shoot you.
Americans have shit gun culture and no discipline.
Joshua Jenkins
no. That is the only answer.
Bentley Nguyen
Attempts to remove 2A is why 2A exists
Landon Edwards
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Adrian Fisher
You clearly arent cavemen.
Mandatory service and regular check ins actually strenghten and reinforce gun culture by ingraining into the the culture and creating an air of responsibility.
Americans are sloppy cave people with third world tier gun cultures.
Zero training required. Pathetic
Henry Harris
>Even people convicted of felonies have the right to own firearms.
No they don't because rights can be removed if you've gone through due process and been convicted.
How do you think they can put you in a prison in the first place?
Leo Martin
Fuck off kike
Wyatt Smith
>USP in an infographic
Isaiah Nguyen
That in no way shape or form was an answer. Do they have public schooling where you're from?
Jose Walker
>corrupt government >protecting your right to being armed also >be American >successfully rob a store with a knife 300 years isnt that long ago. The Bill of Rights is not that hard to understand. It was written by smart people for a mostly illiterate population. Get off my fucking lawn Faggot. So tired of this Animal Farm 4 legs good, 2 legs better revisionist bullshit.
Nathaniel Green
Faggot just reposted video about toxic masculinity and the #metoo movement. This is cringe as fuck. You know what to do POL thumb it down. m.youtube.com/watch?v=npRTEBVal54
Jason Baker
And I'm still not even talking about gun control, I'm talking about a very old law that had a clear purpose and place once upon a time, that is now used in different context.
If you bought a gun I bet you the reason wasn't to join the local militia if things went south in DC, but to defend your home and yourself from a mugging or something
Very different purpose than what the 2a was intenteded for
Jaxson Howard
Are human rights outdated? They get in the way of my own paramilitary desires.
Jason Johnson
*tips tinfoil hat*
Zachary Rogers
Pussicans won’t even enter a school to stop children being slaughtered, does anyone really think they’d ever fight against the state?
Zachary Baker
No lol because we have mandatory service requirements, take care of our poor and have better mental health care.
Go be a third worlder somewhere else
Parker Phillips
No? >the 2A doesn't specifically state that it is there for personal protection against attackers That's an understood.
Austin Taylor
Refer to
Jason Myers
>do you have public schooling? >no My suspicions have been confirmed. Carry on.
Nathan Baker
>be from Norway >my people didn’t accomplish anything >all my people look the same >all my people think the same >nobody is unique >criticize the country that brought the world out of the Stone Age
Jeremiah Torres
Nice meme
Owen Lewis
my bad i thought it was written "public shooting" as in public school shooting.
Still a caveman tho
Samuel Reed
>can't understand simple English You're not building that good of a case for yourself there champ.
Grayson Wright
He's Danish.
"We are red, we are white, we are Danish dynamite"
Brayden James
How do you plan on enforcing that when there's more guns then people in the US? Not to mention, not every gun is registered
Cooper Thomas
Power corrupts.
Connor Carter
>But who the fuck is going to be storming the white house with a Glock these days? In order to enforce its laws a government needs boots on the ground. No amount of tech like drones or nukes will change that. And a millitia will always be effective against infantry. >It also seems like a democracy with a heavy lack of judgement if you're constantly fearing the VERY PEOPLE YOU VOTED FOR, are going to turn on you. Blindly trusting democracy to work is retarded IMO. But regardless of that, your point could be made equally well in the 1790s, since the US also had elected leaders back then, so this has nothing to do with being outdated.
David Foster
which is why there are laws and term of office, so corrupt people (hopefully) wont get re-elected
Jonathan Long
>hopefully Hah, your innocence is to much for this world user.
David Miller
The entirety of the US government is corrupt. Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same (((coin))) that only differ on domestic issues
Jason Reyes
And yet, somehow, corrupt people do get elected. Do you think that someone trying to get into power will abide by laws that would hinder their goals?