Alright with all of the commie meming going on, we need to talk about why communism is bad...

Alright with all of the commie meming going on, we need to talk about why communism is bad. What's the best argument against it? Also post your memes.

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It doesn't work. Every single time it has been tried it brought only famine and dictatorship.
Also it's sickening to hate people who work their arses off to build companies, they're engines of progress and commies desire nothing more than their death.

The principle of total economic equality regardless of effort or value is inevitably destructive. Without economic incentive to work, the only remaining incentive is fear of reprisal from the totalitarian State (punishment for the "work-shy" or for failing to meet quotas was a theme of both national socialism, maoism, and bolshevism.) All personal liberty is gone.

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This guy refutes commies, PERFECTLY.

Further, communism eliminates markets in favor of central planning. A centrally planned economy cannot possibly anticipate the desires of a population, and allocate resources to meet these desires efficiently.

This leads to waste, lost economic opportunities, and stagnation that inevitably leads to destruction.

communism is the best system so far invented by humanity, but you have to get rid of the following:

-traitors paid by foreign intelligence
-greedy speculators
-corrupt party members and officials

Communism naturally decays into totalitarianism.

Without capitalist market driven demand, people simply don't want to do the hard jobs, the factories, farms, etc, they falter rather quickly.

The government, as well intentioned as they might be at the time, is forced to take action nobody wants to enact. They have to FORCE people to work in the factories, farms, etc.

If they cave in and decide to offer them more money to do the job, the entire concept of equality goes out the window and capitalist market drive quickly sweeps back in and puts a swift end to the communist system.

But people are starving, the fields are going untilled, the factories unattended, something has to be done! THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HANGRY!

Thus, faced with no option, they have to become totalitarian. The unwanted jobs are now enforced. This is usually backed by a "do it for your countrymen!" form of propaganda, that also requires an iron fisted enforcement against anyone disagreeing with the nationalist message for fear of the workers sparking a revolt.

And there you have it.
Totalitarian dictatorship.

Communist countries tend to be sanctioned by non-communist countries for instance NATO. It may even seem that the ATO may be that NATO recruited collaborators to decimate the food supply of a given Communist nation, scorched earth policy. Then the media in the NATO countries (totally not operation mockingbird btw) publish articles justifying the food shortage based solely on communism or socialism with laden with McCarthism. An example being relived would be Venezuela. Thanks to the internet one can view tele SUR as (for anyone interested telesurtv.net).

A country that does not comply with the globalist, imperialist, neoliberal designs tends to risk sabotage. Fukushima was a conspiracy as Japan would not comply with the Wall Street banks (it has been a while since reading on it so if someone can confirm that would be great, unless you are cunt feel free to go fuck yourself). Hungary being one of the more homogenous countries in Europe was pressed to permit "refugees". Greece was forced to "resign" Yiannis Varoufakis. Communism is a big no-no to the globalists et al and go as far starvation.

Having said that the Globalists et alt try to get communism and socialism for themselves and neoliberalsim and ancap for the rest of the populace. Tax breaks, subsidies and grants tend to be a form of that.

Now the standard of living may be debatable though in communist countries one could secure a car, a house and a job with as part of the government programs. Yugoslavia enjoyed a decent standard of living, at least better than the time of the monarchy, before the war and the USSR in the 1960s which was post WW2 enjoyed some standard of living comparable to the USA. The USSR was also the second largest economy and continuous growth. Then again growth does not mean much if its not allocated sufficiently. Just my opinion.

And there you have it folks, the reason we keep trying this crap. The schizos keep excusing it as "sabotaged", and want another run at it.

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That's true.

Does anyone have statistics and lists of the failed attempts?

-food

>zimbabwe

all of them

How about all the failed attempts at capitalism even in the modern day. Just give me a list of third world countries.

communism is loved by retards. fucking idiots

>living in a capitalist country
>being homeless and beg for food

Its not an excuse if the was an entire NATO operation to sabotage the USSR and communist nations. Stay behind forces, operation gladio and rampant espionage. Today its basically a country that does not go along with the globalist et al agenda. The USA sanctioned Japan in the 1940's thus placing pressure on the Fascist Japanese Empire leading to Pearl Harbour. The Japanese were pressured greatly by the sanctions. It was on the bring of collapse and their backs on the wall and they collapsed when they lost the war to the Allies. The thread is about the cause of starvation in communist countries from before, not trying it again. Basically you try to strawman me and call me a schizo you are pathetic really, if you were a shill I would have told you that you are a pathetic shill and had your soul devoured by the devil.

t. 60iq jew

Using this as an argument is like saying people occasionally get run over at crosswalks, so they should walk on the railroad tracks instead.

you’re pro-communism
you literally have no future

>you are a pathetic shill and had your soul devoured by the devil.

Okay there Priest. A little off the rails buddy.

>occasionally
yeah, right

No its not not because the vast majority of countries in this world are capitalist. Crosswalks as you call it in Canadia form only part of the roads as are intersections, stop points, roundabouts and traffic lights.

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>lets talk more about this dead meme
Go back to leftypol faggot

I am not your buddy, fuck yourself cunt.

>Muh zionists control government! we gotta stop the jews and take away their controlled media and corporations
>leftists: "thats our plan"
>"BUT THATS CULTURAL MARXISM JEWISH CONSPIRACY)

you have a future?

being constantly afraid of losing your job and becoming homeless (if you're lucky to find a decent job in the first place)
with the best scenario being in debt your whole life and almost no chances for a proper retirement
and god forbid any serious illness

>being homeless and beg for food
>how could this happen to an unemployment low iq marxiat retard
>i know right its because my work theories are exploitet by the commue labour means production global warming rich people except jews jews didndu nuthing

... now you're arguing against what other nations call crosswalks? From a fucking analogy?

Holy shit man. Take your meds.

People who follow the shit worship people like Stalin and fly USSR imagery despite the USSR literally not being real communism. They never have an example of real communism, however they adore each state that "tries" it despite every state that does it literally does the opposite of the stated goals of communism.

Communists are flag waving retards who don't even understand their own ideology.

Hey, aussie schizo... the aliens are watching you.

I'm from commie Yugoslavia, you have no idea what that commie shit does to people. Take their homes if they were a little bigger, it doent matter if you built it with your own hands. Everything was in possesion of Tito, former president.

Literally every communist government (Soviet Union, Cuba, pretty much all of southeast Asia, etc.) have utterly failed and collapsed into dictatorships or hellholes. Doesn't that say enough about commies?

From the mouths of survivors.

Please, we invite you to tell us more of your experiences. Only through those who have been there can we actually understand.

that’s not my future. yours is pretty grim though. just famine and a bullet to the head

They just argue with
>you don't really need it xD

Or something

Mao and Stalin have killed more people than anyone in history and the people killed because of their actions were their own people. Both of them were commies.

Lets talk,

While communism and socialism contain interesting premises at the time of the NATO - Soviet Blog espionage years the Soviets would have tried to infiltrate the communist and socialist movements. Dont misunderstand, many communist and socialists may have meant well and were genuine patriots. The infiltrators would have been to extert likewise geopolitical pressure on non-communist countries. To distinguish, the infiltrators were likely there for imperialistic purposes. For example the Greek communists and socialists were compromised from the USSR by being infilitrated and and influenced not for the sake of communism or socialism. It was to do with a Pan-Slavic state with access to the warm waters of the South (ie Greece) hence the name dispute happening to this day by Greece and FYROM. The Soviet infiltrators sought to have the Greek communists and socialists compromise themselves and their land. Such was the concern with other countries too.

Holy shit the autist became fixated on terminology and asked me to take meds.................... get rekt

>removing corrupted government's and replacing it with socialism is the same objective as those on the right

Communism in theory could be an efficient system, but put into practice always fails. Governments will always be corrupt, and as long as they are then communism will ultimately fail. This is why we had the Red Scare and America got involved in the Vietnam War.

>All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others

No because socialist want to control society, that's really what it's about. They also believe that they have all the answers so when they try socialism it'll work and millions of people won't be murdered.

>marxism is promoted and utilized by jews to destroy you
>everyone with a functional brain: fuck both of them
>lol but wait fellow goy! u know of u join notrealmarxismtotallyedgynaziwism and destroy your society with communism, jews lose !
>trust me i have some edgy made up commie flag using le nazi color scheme trying to appeal the le nazis. politics is about edgy symbolism and muh identity politics and whatever dumb shit drooling leftist retards believe the "right" is about riight?
>lol Sup Forums will never realize we are just fooling them xDDDDDdD comminism da futa

Look, it's quite simple. Especially when you factor in your own position.

For instance, I'm a Mercedes Technician.
I do this job because there's ALLOT of money in it.
If you take away the financial incentive for me to do this, I simply won't do the job. Regardless of make or model of the vehicles.

If you told me I would be rewarded the same as a janitor, fuck it, I'll become the janitor.

And I know every single tech like me would do the same, from the software techs, to the specialty fields, down to the base mechanics... we all would walk the fuck out.

From that one simple first hand assertion, the entire automotive system falls apart, unless of course a gun is literally held to our heads forcing us to do the job... even then, we're certainly not going to do it efficiently, or reliably. Hell, most of us would be more inclined to sabotage the vehicles.

Now broaden this to other fields. The farmers, the factory workers... this would be a constant issue across the board.

The government would have no option but to hold a fucking gun against our heads to make us continue doing our jobs.

socialism = redpilled communism

Get over it

I'm a simple man. I don't want more laws telling me what I can and can not do.

As it is cruel to tell a kid is not real before their time it is just as cruel to tell you that I am not a schizo.

Yea totally schizo bro, hardcore. By the way, I hope this isnt your way of coming onto to me because you will be barking up the wrong tree.

As it is cruel to tell a kid Santa Claus is not real before their time it is just as cruel to tell you that I am not a schizo.

Yea totally schizo bro, hardcore. By the way, I hope this isnt your way of coming onto to me because you will be barking up the wrong tree.

all i can bring are some facts about how communism ended in eastern europe

it is well documented that polish solidarity movement was heavily financed by american CIA with the help of the Mossad that had a really strong network of collaborators in eastern europe

in 1980 or so, when things were getting out of control because of the billions that americans and israelis were pumping into anti-communist movements in poland, gen. jaruzelski implemented a martial law and expelled many jews from poland (for the second time since the end of the war, the first time happened in 1968)

a few years later in 1985, jaruzelski traveled to new york for UN summit, during this trip he met with rockefeller and several high ranking officials of the american government, it's not 100% clear what they negotiated but a few years later jaruzelski agreed to allow "democratic" elections in poland

People here still think we had a great run with Tito, like 40 percent of people. Some of themlost EVERYTHING to Tito, but that's the thingabout communism, it never washes away, you will never be free in mind again. It has been 30 years since his death.

We are still as you can see a banana countru ( Serbia),he put us in such a debt we cannot live normally, our young people are constantlly moving out to work for Germans or Swedes. Doctors cannot go to a vacation because of the amount of money they get, AS FUCKING DOCTORS. If you wanna see what happened,you should watch a movie called ''Tezina Lanaca''

Except that those third world countries mostly have very restricted markets.

Its pretty amazing just how subversive communism is.
They have retards like you convinced that the solution to problems caused by marxism are capitalisms fault and the solution is thus more marxism
Genuinely impressive

Communism is good because I’ll be a card carrying party member

>says the facist
And I'm doing this to arm us against the growing commie bullshit in the West

Tfw 90% of homeless are fake and the other 9% are homeless because crack/other drug abuse. Leaving the 1% that are real homeless. And they don't even stay homeless for long.

There goes half the population lol. You don't need to be a paid spy to realize communism sucks and why to end it.

I like how communists complain about the 1% when Communism still has a 1% it's called the government elites.

there is no more argument to be had, a simple look at history makes the failures and immorality of communism/socialism SELF EVIDENT. anybody who says otherwise is
A. dead wrong
B. larp
there are NO other options or debates. choose communism if you will but all you do in that choice is diminish youself and empower those who would enslave you. BYEEEE

yeah, party elites are usually corrupt and have a much better life than the rest of the population in communism, but that's only a very small percentage of the population anyway (much less than 1%)

still, they had a couple of houses and a few cars, you can't compare that to the level of degeneracy seen in capitalist billionaires, it's several orders of magnitude lower

>-corrupt party members and officials
Can't hAve corrupt party members when your entire government is corrupt.

>Not real homeless!!!

Communism requires coersion to prevent people who want to do so from forming free market enclaves or exchanging a common trade unit.

Its not wrong if someone wants to live in a 'commune' and try this. But its wrong to assume its for everyones good and force them to live in it.

The only way to remove the fear of losing a job is to remove competition for that job
And that removes its value
And that removes the job

will you send those commies to polish death camps?

>yeah, party elites are usually corrupt

MEN ARE CORRUPT, no matter what system they are part of. communism leaves no checks and balances to keep 1 person from being the next stalin, hitler or mao
whos total kill count far exceeds any "capitalist' mechanism.
society ceases to progress under the rule of a single person.

>when people love socialist leaders it is because they are brainwashed!!

I'm sure your country is in much better shape right now. Yuguslavia went from a important player in the international space to a area famous for war, cheap hookers, gipsies and muslim hotbed.

it's still much worse in the capitalism, where there is no real ideology, the only purpose to become a politician is to get rich as soon as possible by any means

in communism many were corrupt, true, but some were really trying to build a better world for their people

>-corrupt party members and officials
so, the entire communist government?

>trade is not permitted in a socialist society

>Communism naturally decays into totalitarianism.
Read the Communist Manifesto, Marx states that communism requires a totalitarian state to implement it, but "after a while", the state will return power to the people voluntarily.
It is that retarded.

a homeless person is not inherently less corrupt than an elite member of society. that is a myth. the LEFTS victim worship and fetish , whole power hierarchy depends on poor people being virtuous which is just not true, in fact most people are poor because they are not virtuous. the brainwashing is the media always portraying destitute people as victims which sometimes they are, but often their place in society is self inflicted. truth.

Also
>basic human nature.

What incentive is there for an individual to go to say, medical school, if they will get the exact same rewards as a fucking janitor who mops floors all day. Human nature is to undertake risks for rewards, and unless that changes communism will inevitably fail.

Because our leaders are tots not corrupt

>no matter what system they are part of.
Debatable. Men are corrupted mainly with large promises of money. But if we don't allow individuals to accumulate obscene amounts of money, then who would be the one doing the "corrupting"?
I know life isn't that simple, but this is just the gist of it.

not really, even after communism ended even the top communist leaders were just regular people, without any crazy riches

what happened in the next decade after communism ended (the 90s) was much worse in terms of corruption, new millionaires by stealing public properties and destruction of economies

money is not the deciding factor in corruption. entry level common sense. chimpanzees use no money yet constantly raid eachother for food or to take female mates. this demonstrates that greed is a natural phenomenom not strictly a human trait caused by societal hierarchies. get gud kid.

>Marx states that communism requires a totalitarian state to implement it, but "after a while", the state will return power to the people voluntarily.
What communist manifesto have you read? Marx never claimed that the stat would voluntarily give up the power. He just claimed that trough the generations after the revolution, the state would just wither away because it would become unnecessary.

money does not equal power. it equals authority

authority + competence = power

>if they will get the exact same rewards as a fucking janitor who mops floors all day.
Because that will not happen, and you are retarded for even thinking this is what communists believe

>money is not the deciding factor in corruption
Am i supposed to read the rest of your post

>he keeps on and makes a analogy with chimpanzees to try to make his point

The absolute state of Sup Forums

not everybody is motivated only by wealth, that is actually what is wrong with modern society
and doctors are basically businessmen that will scam you into unnecessary treatments or tests

you become a doctor because you want to help people, not because you want to get rich, yet
you still will have a decent and fulfilling life, not crazy rich though

I never implied that.

The trouble is, how do I 'bank' a portion of whatever I produce for later? How do I grow that? In capitalism I can even invest my acquired trade units and eventually exit the system. In a communist 'from each of his ability, to each his need' world, where is my eventual exit where I dont have to associate with or provide for you fuckers anymore?

>there is no more argument to be had, a simple look at history makes the failures and immorality of communism/socialism SELF EVIDENT. anybody who says otherwise is A. dead wrongB. larpthere are NO other options or debates. choose communism if you will but all you do in that choice is diminish youself and empower those who would enslave you
most people are motivated by wealth. that is an absolute fact. wealth does not equal power over people. that is false. without the goal of wealth through fiat, literally the only thing left to accumulate would be absolute power over other people. communists live in bubbles. ignorant of history.

kids don't understand or conflate the difference between power and authority.
you look at issues from the top, down.
backwards ideology communism is

>The trouble is, how do I 'bank' a portion of whatever I produce for later?
Literally the same way you do nowadays, except that the owner will not receive the lion share of the profits.

>where is my eventual exit where I dont have to associate with or provide for you fuckers anymore?
You do know that you are doing this nowadays? Why do every time capitacucks try to point supposed flaws on socialism, they point out stuff that already happens in their precious capitalist societies?

>wealth does not equal power over people.
So i see you never had a job. And tell me how much have your presidential candidates spent on their races?

>accumulate
see, here's your problem, that is meaningless to people who don't care about such things

of course everybody wants to have a decent life, but not everybody is obsessed with surrounding himself with tons of unnecessary junk or having a lust for power, if they have a job they like, a decent place to live and a feeling of security and stability, they are happy already

>not everybody is motivated by wealth

Sure. It's not like it's literally human nature to want more than what you currently have or anything. It's not at all like that drive is what made us build society in general or anything. I make a reasonable amount of money for the work I do in this capitalist system, because I want to do the least amount of work possible for the greatest reward possible. However, my employer wants the greatest amount of work done possible for the least amount of money possible. Out of our mutual desire to get the most out of one another, a reasonable compromise is born, wherein I make a reasonable amount of money for a reasonable amount of work. Until you change basic human nature from wanting more for less, communism can't work.

>tl;dr If you want to gauge communism's likelihood of success, look at Wal-Marts profits. People want more for less, and they understand this, so they take in an enormous amount of money every year.

>we can just force people into our beliefs at gunpoint.
Neat.

i talked above in the thread why communism ended in easter europe, at least about the main forces behind its collapse
if you still believe that it just "spontaneously collapsed", you may as well believe in fairy tales

if you also believe that after communism ended everybody was happy about it, you're just lying to yourself

Yes, communism is SO successful that all disasters in progress and goods and services were blamed on "wreckers." SO successful that the USSR cratered after the tall of the Berlin Wall.
Why the shortages and mass Exodus in and from
Venezuela? There must be "wreckers" in Venezuela, too. Yeah, that's the ticket...

Fucking this
Communists are fucking retards if they think everyone will just agree and suddenly become not corrupt and seek power

The jews were pretty bummed out about it, to be sure.

not really, jews wanted communism to end, they became the new owners of what belonged to everybody before

it was mostly regular workers that lost many of the benefits of communism, such as affordable housing, health cares, retirement and job security, that were unhappy

It's women that make 85% of purchases (unnecessary junk)
It's women that demand welfare and wealth redistribution (communism)
And no woman is content with no more than a decent place to live and a feeling of security and stability

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>welfare
there was no need for welfare, everybody had a job
unemployment is a capitalistic problem, often real, but sometimes artificially created problem, to keep people under constant stress and working themselves to death
>redistribution
that only happens at the very beginning to kick start the system

yeah, women always want more, true, but many will settle for stability, just avoid the worst gold diggers

No one in this thread can actually define communism.

I would argue that it actually devolves into something closer to monarchy. As the established leadership passes power internally it builds a new political class not all that different than the dukes, princes, and Kings of the past.