/CAG/ - Catholic General: Sedevacantist Edition

This is a discussion about Catholic theology.
The topic of this thread is protestant (cucked) bible verses and sedevacantism.
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God doesn't exist m8

Sedevacantism is interesting, but how is it different from Protestants who reject the Pope?

Because we still use the Catholic bible and believe in the doctrine, the pope can't be a heretic, and every pope since Vatican II is a heretic.

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I'm not Jewish m8. I like the Catholicism aesthetic and tradition but it's literally based on lies.

Welp, I guess that's your opinion.

Erasmus BTFO'd the entire catholic church get rekt

It it an opinion though? There's literally no proof the Christian God exists.

Except everything around you, god's creation.

>finds shit text in garbage
>translates it
>thinks it's bad anyways
>shit preacher finds it
>likes it
>ruins europe
lmao. "btfo"

catholic server /bkXHBgq

>Be catholic
>Destroy Europe because you
>Killed native Europeans
>Banned copper
>Europeans shit themselves to death

Sedevacantism usually is full of surnaturalism, you usually extend the dogma of papal infallibility to non-dogmatic texts and acts.

Not all popes are saints. We have to take that into account.

It has to remain a hypothesis though, but we have no concrete proofs that could confirm (nor infirm) this hypothesis for now.
Only conjectures.

>Banned copper
>Europeans shit themselves to death
i'm intrigued

What he's doing is literal heresy tho, lmao.

Merci pour cette image mon ami.

Fagolics are gay as shit. Jews.

Prove me wrong. You can’t!

>Killed native Europeans
>muh war

Get over it martin.

I'm interesting in the reading list but i can't read French. Is there an English version of this list?

>Fagolics are gay as shit. Jews.

Only the cardinals can decide to overthrow him and call him an anathema.
We can do nothing if he does not say anything contrary to the Tradition dogmatically.

muh catholics

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He's given sacraments to non-catholics, he's let muslims pray at the vatican, he said being a sodomite isn't a sin etc etc.
Against the churchfathers previous dogma if you ask me, give sedevacantism a chance, you won't regret it.

A bunch of unrelated obelisks.
catholics btfo?

Daily reminder that it is not possible to be a Nationalist and a Roman Catholic unless you are an Italian living in Italy.

Sadly not a lot of these books (especially the central ones by Mérel that do the mix with thomism and fascism) can be found in English, and I don't know the anglo-saxon thomists/revisionists/fascists enough to provide you with substitutes.

Here's the ones you can find in English though :
All Carl Schmitt
Life of St Louis, by Joinville
Works by Mussolini, Hitler and Primo de Rivera (you can add Degrelle to that)
Céline's Mea Culpa, Trifles for a Massacre, School for corpses
Bardèche's Nuremberg
add some revisionist stuff you know to that, as long as it's as solid as Reynouard's or Faurrisson's
Try to read a biography of Adrien Arcand, even if you don't find his texts
Saint Thomas Aquinas can be easily found
Koninck's On the Primacy of the Common Good. Against the Personalists
Garrigou-Lagrange's God in 2 volumes
Catechism of Trent or Saint Pius the Xth's one are great
Mgr Lefebvre's They Have Uncrowned Him
Amerio's Iota Unum

I see nothing in your post that contradicts the statement I made.

They are from dead people of other false religions

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have one from the leader of the jehovah witness

So none of those are heresies?
Do yourself a favour and watch those videos.

« We can do nothing if he does not say anything contrary to the Tradition DOGMATICALLY »
What you quoted is not about defining dogma in any sense.
It is scandalous and probably even more than that, but you can do nothing as long as he doesn't cross the line that would put a declaration of him in the infaillible terrain.

>giving sacraments to non christians
>heresey
>POPES CANT BE HERETICS
ok pierre.

I recommend Garrigou-Lagrange, that man should be a saint. One of the greatest Thomists ever.

You try to dodge my argument but fail to do so.
It is not about what I feel or whatever.

I want to be a Catholic but I can't stop reading lesbian cartoon pornography and lesbian erotica, I'm obsessed with yuri doujins and Japanese yuri novels. Help.

How are Sedes not just Protestants in disguise?

Ok, it's this simple.
Popes can't be heretics.
This pope is a heretic.
Therefore this pope can't be a pope.
It's really that easy.

Because their hearts are in the right place. They have nothing but love for the Church in their hearts. They've gone astray but it's not really their fault, the responsibility lies on the bishops that signed all those Vatican 2 documents and created massive confusion.

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>but I can't stop reading lesbian cartoon pornography and lesbian erotica, I'm obsessed with yuri doujins and Japanese yuri novels
You can though.
You just don't ->want

There's material and formal heresy. If a pope says ''nevermind this dogma, I tell you this and this'', in that moment he ceases to be pope, that's formal heresy. If he makes a mistake and does not want to utter heresy but still utters it, that's material heresy and he's still the pope. Or in this pope's case, if he believes he's doing nothing wrong and does not want to contradict tradition or has a false understanding of it, he's not a formal heretic. The best case for formal heresy against this pope is the shenanigans regarding communion for the divorced and remarried.

>This pope is a heretic.
One more time : We can do nothing if he does not say anything contrary to the Tradition dogmatically.

Welcome aboard father didley has to suck your cock and sins are forgiven

>Fagolics are gay as shit. Jews.
>Prove me wrong. You can’t!

kys turk

Imma ask for some help here.
Even though I'm orthodox, I have abandoned my faith for quite some time. It seems that the world has got a grip on me.
I rarely pray or go to Church anymore, still I feel like reverting this and think about it every day.
How can I change this around?

I have the exact same problem + general lazyness. I don't know, there's an old theological position in Catholicism which states that if you're in mortal sin, you can't really get away from repeating those sins because you're cut away from God. So I'd say the first step is to go to confession i.e. get back in the state of grace and that will help you resist the wordly dangers.

But if you ask hardcore protestants and lutherans, anglicans, etc today, they will tell you that they are the real Catholic church just like Sedes claim they are. It's just a more modern protestant/reformation movement that claims to be more "traditional".

Obligatory but : Embrass (trad) Catholicism because otherwise it means nothing to God and does not provide Grace.

Go to church at least on sunday, it's not that hard my dude. Only a couple of hours every week.

Try to see why the world has a grip on you too.
Ask yourself if you prefer the worldly pleasures over God. If so, think that God is far, far more than what you can have on this earth, and remember that He offers Himself for our sins.

Try to search some worldly pleasures that are not morally bad, but don't take them as the ends but only as a means to the end.

Maybe read about (Catholic, ;) ) Eucharistic miracles. I quite like to read about that, it's edifying.

Sedes do not renounce any dogmas. So they're not heretics. They are schismatics though, but they're not really comparable to protestants. I'd say that the post conciliar Church is way more reformistic and protestant leaning than sedes, it's not even comparable.

>He's given sacraments to non-catholics.

You may have missed the part where The Shepherd is looking to find his lost sheep and pulls them out the of the dark ditch they got stuck in.

Problem is I live miles away from the Church.
Week goes by and I get so overwhelmed by wordly BS I just can't get myself to prayer and to Church.
The tragic thing is that I know God's plan for me is better than this cr*p. I'd probably wouldn't even browse pol if I got my sh*t together.

Jesus never intended a religious organization; translating ecclesia as "church" is specious.

Sedevacantism doesn't hold up.

New Popes are elected by the College of Cardinals. That is how Popes are validly elected. If all the Popes since Vatican II are invalid, then there are no validly elected cardinals either. Which means that a valid Pope can never be elected ever again. Which is ridiculous.

Sedevacantism also relies on stretching the truth. Claims that the current Pontiff is a heretic are outlandish and fantastic, and never followed up with any proof. We are just supposed to take their word for it.

The only way is steadfast loyalty to Christ's body; His living Church. These Sedes make the same mistake as Protestants: that is, to put more stock in their own interpretation of doctrine and scripture than in the living Church, which came before all the documents and even scripture. To be a true, proper Christian, you can't seperate yourself from Peter.

In terms of numbers and influence, Sedevacantism is nothing compared to Modernism. It is a blip on the radar. But it is an error nonetheless. And it needs to be treated the same and fought against alongside the other errors like Modernism

>just can't get myself to prayer and to Church.

Just realize what the prayer does. It's the most effective weapon against demons ( demonic oppression ) They scurry away from you like cockroaches afraid of the light.

Then what did he intend?
A religion based around a collection of writings like the Protestants believe?
If that were the case, Jesus would have commanded his followers to write down what he was saying. But he never did. The gospels and epistles were written well after Jesus' ministry as more of an aid to evangelisation. It was never the center point.

The way Jesus spoke and acted, handing the keys to Peter, commanding his Apostles to spread his message and cast out demons, and many aspects of the Bible like the laying of the hands...

Christianity was clearly meant to be Apostolic in nature.

Most Holy Family Monastery probably has a 3 hour documentary desperately trying to find a way of explain away this discrepancy. He literally made a 2 hour documentary trying to explain how Paul never rebuked Peter, arguing that Peter wasn't really Peter, but some other guy...

See you are speculating and inferring a lot if you go from direct lineage apostleship to a religious/political organization

Bump.

Actually it is an hypothesis. We can not reject nor accept it until we have confirmation from above.
2 possibilities :
-The pope or one of the future popes say that Vatican II was a mistake and decides to reject the post-conciliar stuff.
-The pope says something heretic, but dogmatically, which would lead to his removal.

A formal heretic cannot be Pope whether he proclaims those beliefs dogmatically or not.

A heretical Pope does NOT have to be deposed. He loses his office the moment he professes a formal heresy.

>See you are speculating
So do you.
But we have the apostolicity that goes back to saint Peter and to Jesus-Christ Himself. You, on the other hand, don't.

>but how is it different
Protip: it isn't.

Jokes aside sedes continue to use the Lithurgy pre-VII. From their standpoint it was Rome that got corrupted.

St. Peter was not the only Peter and the Early Church Fathers believed that verse to be referring to a different Peter.

To believe it was St. Peter requires that St. Peter randomly made a 180 on the whole gentile issue for literally no reason.

First of all, Peter was unfaithful and relapsed all the time. Second of all, he's literally referred to by the nickname that Jesus gave him, "Cephas". So there's really no getting around the fact that it's Peter. Not that this will convince someone bound by tradition rather than the Bible.