>"The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one, a view supported by considerable genetics research." Race isn't even real. At least, not in the absolute terms most people here define it. You guys pretend to be intellectuals yet you disregard basic, high school science in that different races shouldn't be able to breed together.
So why Sup Forums? Why do you insist on spreading lies and misinformation about race that is clearly more to do with upbringing and culture than genetics itself?
lel no, compare the countries with highest average IQ and lowest, you can mark them out by race.
Aaron Murphy
CAN YOU ADJUST THESE GRAPHS AND TIE IN "POPULATION SIZE" SOMEHOW? THANK YOU.
Jason Wright
Nobel prize winner James Watson, one of the co-discoverers of the structure of DNA, confirmed that different genetic population have a different average IQ.
Tthe marxist establishment tried to ruin his life, that's why many people r enot so open to talks about it.
Elijah Martin
Race has no effect on IQ because we are examining an association between the two variables, and not necessarily attempting to prove causation. Moreover, the assertion that "different races shouldn't be able to breed together" is factually incorrect because the asserted condition a criterion for establishing separate species. While the exact reasons that the races exhibit different IQ distributions may not necessarily be biological, the association exists regardless and suggests that any randomly selected member of the population satisfying these categorical classifications would exhibit notably different probabilities for lying within a selected IQ range given their race. There could be any number of confounding variables present, but that is largely irrelevant to the observation that there is an association between certain races and lower IQs.
Levi Cox
Ignore shill threads
Anthony Hernandez
Asians cheat on the tests. The only ones that come close to whites are North East asians... aka the nips.
Nicholas Perry
Yes clearly, like I said its due to culture that manifests in a society for a variety of reasons but "race" is only due to geography and how the people of that region develop over time. Again, for a board that prides itself on being ahead of the curve and redpilled, it seems that you're more than willing to ignore basics like ensuring the samples of your tests are fairly distributed and the test variable is not a coincidental correlation due to other factors.
It's all rather childish really.
Evan Brown
Where do you think the difference in cultural manifestation stems from? Why were Africans living in mud huts when the French built Versailles? Why did most of Africa have no written language? How can an entire content be more backwards than Greece was over 2000 years ago?
Christian Thomas
>It's widely accepted that Race has no effect on IQ 0/10
Juan Edwards
Race (unlike gender) is a rather fluid thing and isn't easily defined and can change within a matter of generations. The notion that race has any real effect on IQ has been rightfully dismissed.
I agree that it's the other variables that are worth considering such as culture and the economic landscape of a region.
For example, a shithole that relies heavily on agriculture over multiple generations and requires children to work the land from a young age will obviously have much worse standards of education over multiple generations and this leads to people with lower IQ on the whole.
However as evidenced by countries like India, take the pajeet out of his shithole and put him in a Developed country like the UK or US and they are likely to be right up there, and often higher, than the natives of these countries.
Nicholas Green
Correlation does not mean causation. Or did you not attend the first year of high school science?
Logan Murphy
>However as evidenced by countries like India, take the pajeet out of his shithole and put him in a Developed country like the UK or US and they are likely to be right up there, and often higher, than the natives of these countries.
Give a monkey a camera and it might figure out how to take a picture, it won't however have the ability to make the camera from scratch.
Jeremiah Wood
I don't see what your point is. We're talking about IQ here and they tend to do just as well once in the same environment.
Is it not shifting the goalposts to now say IQ is irrelevant but inventing things is the real show of intelligence? Or are you trying to say why don't these pajeets make their own country better alone? Because as I addressed earlier there are many reasons both economic and cultural that make that unfeasible, at least in the short-term
Juan Cook
>they tend to do just as well once in the same environment
They do well in an environment they weren't able to create or are able to uphold. It's why every multicultural country goes down the drain once critical mass is reached.
Nolan Morris
Gee why are some dog breeds smarter than others obviously that couldn’t apply to humans
Jack King
>anthropologists Why not ask biologists?
Lincoln Evans
You are absolutely correct. However, no reasonable person on this board is claiming that racial characteristics cause lower IQs. The argument is that certain races can be considered inferior because, despite the arbitrary nature of classification, racial categories account for a notable amount of variance in the distribution of IQ in the population. The actual cause is likely related to environmental or cultural factors, but the fact remains that certain races (e.g. Africans) in most contemporary societies demonstrate difficulty assimilating and contributing economically when compared to other races. I would argue that your original post was merely attacking an illogical straw man, since I have never seen anyone assert that skin color causes low intelligence. I would also like to note that I do not necessarily agree with the aforementioned opinions, but rather that they are more reasonable than you appear to claim.
Grayson Rivera
If there is no such thing as race. How is it doctors can tell which race someone is simply by their bones?
Austin Green
Since nothing is real can you just go away? Just take all your fun cultural enriching stuff and put it somewhere else.
Austin Davis
>high school science in that different races shouldn't be able to breed together.
No one says that, even different sub species can breed. You make a false claim and then saying we are spreading lies and misinformation.
>>"The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon yeah well I'm sure the majority of anthropologists would like to keep their jobs
Jeremiah Allen
It's like I said, a cycle of poverty stems in these regions thats very hard to get out of once it manifests. Africa is a shithole, kids need to work the land, they never go to school and stay poor and retarded. This continues over and over but take an African and a white guy from birth and raise them in the exact same setting and you will on average see no difference in their intelligence
Emphasis on same setting because just the same country doesn't exclude other social variables that have an effect on their upbringings as evidenced in the US and the divisions that exist there.
I am by no means a leftie btw but I have always felt the race argument is a weak one from the right and doesn't stand up to analysis
Caleb Gomez
When will fascists admit that their whole ideology is basically a massive race boner.
Ian Hill
Ahh shit OP how you gon refute this?
Gavin Peterson
shut it down
Adrian Walker
This. The majority of people in my physics/CS classes are people from the Indian subcontinent and Africa. My town is around 50% white, yet there are around 2-4 whites out of 20+ people.
Dylan Rodriguez
>skin color causes low intelligence Melanin does not cause inferior intellect, the genes carried by people with darker skin tends to correlate to an inferior intellect.
This is demonstrable by reviewing any society started by whites and influxed by a large number of other races (excluding East Asians).
Colton Jackson
The reason Indians in first world countries do so well, is because they are not the typical pajeet. These are the Indians that were able to exceed their fellow country men, allowing them to immigrate to these first world countries.
Brandon Baker
He is not claiming that distinctions do not exist between populations in different geographical locations, but that traditional classifications of race (e.g White, Hispanic, African) are largely arbitrary considering the few biological distinctions which exist between humans. These traditional classifications do not accurately account for variance in human characteristics, and can not be considered scientific classifications.
Eli Carter
I don't know for certin if race effects IQ, however genetics definitely does so...
Jayden Foster
>This continues over and over but take an African and a white guy from birth and raise them in the exact same setting and you will on average see no difference in their intelligence What about if just leave the black guy alone? Would he still do as well without the white guy showing him how it's done?
Easton Kelly
>take an African and a white guy from birth and raise them in the exact same setting and you will on average see no difference in their intelligence Adopted child studies show the exact opposite.
Lincoln White
Not an argument. You're talking about social tensions that arise from the fact that it tends to be human nature to want to belong in specific groups and race is an easy way to do this that is backed up by the fact that natives of one region will almost always be the same race and will develop a unity that means other "races" are seen as a separate group.
But with regards to IQ and intelligence of an individual, the successes and failures of those before them has no bearing and race has no effect on an individual's intelligence.
Nicholas Bennett
nice source faggot
Owen Hall
My god, you're right! Why didn't I consider Mogadishu's university in my younger years. Get real, user. There's a place on earth with almost all black people. And no amount of Black Panter superheroes will ever make it right.
Jonathan Morales
>It's like I said, a cycle of poverty stems in these regions Stems from a lack of productivity in the populace. Put Africans in any other country and they would perform as well.
Ryder Kelly
See this, and particularly the quote from Chomsky (A LINGUIST!).
Literally "feels before reals". At least he is honest about it.
Henry Perry
Also India is a horrible example to demonstrate the point OP is trying to make because they have an extremely well-defined delineation of genetically separate groups WITHIN the arch-group known as "Indians" based on their historic caste system. The high-level Indian scientists and philosophers are almost exclusively descendants of the Brahmin class.
Xavier Sanchez
>cycle of poverty You're failing to understand that the French also lived in mud huts until they started getting adventurous with rocks and wood and so forth, most Africans have never done this and still can't figure out how to build a well without the white man coming to show them.
This isn't an issue of poverty, this is an issue that stems from a lack of creative thinking.
Austin Taylor
I don't see any reason to believe that any such association exists. I don't necessarily doubt your analysis, but I have also never found a scientific study which demonstrated a relationship between the genetics held by darker individuals and low intelligence.
Carter Perez
>caste system >2018
Maybe in the olden days, but now Indians are mixed asf.
Owen Powell
Nu/pol/ at It again
Caleb Lee
>Correlation does not mean causation except when it fits my narrative FTFY. At least try to be original, these arguments are elementary school tier.
Elijah Reed
It's widely accepted not because of hard scientific evidence, but because everybody who ever dared suggest a connection got immediately kicked out of any scientific organization without an explanation
Landon Gonzalez
Universities in the UK are piss poor in standard, it's why there's an endemic crisis in industry because they've lowered marking criteria so much to get somebody, anybody to pass.
Brayden Wood
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Josiah Peterson
There are all kinds of differences between races (for example in sports) but magically we all have the exact same brain and mental capacity.
not how it works nigger. and i wonder what (((names))) those antropologists you are quoting have
Gavin Hughes
It's more likely that the Africans' hostile and inhospitable environment was not conducive to such creative endeavors. You can't prove that Africans failed to achieve significant societal progress by virtue of their inferior genetics.
Colton Hall
thx for the good news, the multicultural society can now become the best thing ever.
Cameron Hill
>somebody, anybody to pass This is bullshit and everybody knows it. It's literally impossible to cheat in British exams using conventional methods. The UK has some of the best universities and there's no affirmative action here (uklike the US).
Jason Young
what is this I don't even
James Torres
You're talking to a bunch of autistic, albino land whales who have absolutely nothing going for them. They need to find any little thing they can to make their existence bearable.
Luis Reyes
It's not "widely accepted". Most intelligence experts agree the iq gap is partially genetic
Jayden Richardson
nigger evolved in jungles and are stupider because of this, this is incontrovertible
Anthony Parker
>[inaudible simian noises intensify\
Lucas Collins
>>"The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one, a view supported by considerable genetics research." Hilarious that a made up profession is calling something made up also nice appeal to authority fallacy retard
Jaxson Walker
Because niggers, on average, are retarded irrespective of their socioeconomic status.
Jonathan Martin
Source?
Jackson Hernandez
Yeah, but literally who gives a fuck what anthropologists think? It's literally just sociology. It's not a science, and biology shows that is exactly wrong. Go try to give your kidney to a bigger and tell me it doesn't matter after.
Kayden Myers
This. Fuck Nazis and racists.
Parker Rogers
> race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon What does that even mean? That if I change political views I change race?
Jeremiah Sanders
Just show them Koko the gorillas iq (70-95) and how the gorillas iq is higher than the averages of basically all African countries
Adam Bell
>not understanding genetics >having no idea what Indian culture is like Light-skinned Indians literally hold their noses in the presence of Dalits, if you think there are not genetically contiguous groups of historically Brahmin Indians extant in 2018 you're a troll or literally retarded
Julian Evans
This look up the minnesota transracial adoption study
Nolan Foster
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Caleb Hughes
And thanks for proving me right. lol
Charles Young
I'd say based on some of the replies on here, to call the original argument a straw man is a bit harsh but I accept that if you're arguing that certain races have trouble assimilating than I don't think anyone will dispute that.
But this becomes an argument about society as a whole and how we address these concerns. Personally, I think that liberalisation of borders and encouraging low skilled immigration is a terrible solution posed by the neo-liberal left. It practically brings these other races into developed regions to serve as a new bottom class and makes them just as worthless here as they were back in their native country.
Imo the best solution is to raise their standards of living in their own countries through trade and an effort to move their industry away from agriculture to more skilled industries. We're seeing this be successful in China and its beginning in India and they look to develop.
Nolan Bailey
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Brody Anderson
Light skin =/= caste system. There are high-caste Tamils, and low-caste Punjabis/Kashmiris, etc.
Even in India, southern Indians are more education and successful than northern Indians.
Asher Lewis
Remember we’re letting these people vote.
Dominic Diaz
It is true that experts generally agree that IQ is "partially genetic." This relationship not absolute, however, and race is not identical to one's genetics.
Aiden Davis
educated*
Joseph Scott
>You're talking about social tensions It's not an issue of social tensions, take for example the issue of the wonderful work migrants from Syria, there are no jobs for them because they have an inability to learn English and have no work skills whatsover, meaning even if they learnt English they literally have nothing to offer.
They're not mechanics, or plumbers or electricians, they have no baseline skill set to offer at home or abroad.
Samuel Taylor
Give more welfare money to your African-British then so they can reach the same goals as native British.
Go on, Blighty, kys
Brayden Butler
lol the nip meme again
you anerifats gave an unhealthy fetish with sushi ya know that?
Josiah Edwards
Go and breed with what you want. I just understand animal husbandry.
>I don't see any reason to believe that any such association exists. Basically willful ignorance of an inconvenient truth.
Connor Morales
It was at one time widely accepted that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around the earth, that one man found 2 of every animal alive and loaded them onto a giant boat to stave off a flood that killed all other life on the planet, that dragons were real, and many other fantasies. Anthropologists are not geneticists and you morons prevent actual research from being done by claiming things like "The Bell Curve" are heresy and shouting down real scientists to prevent actual objective looks from being done. Now you dare make claims like this? Eat shit.
Jose Bell
yo OP where the FUCK you at
Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races. httppritchardlab.stanford.edupublicationspdfsRosenbergEtAl02.pdf Common-sense racial categories have biological meaning. httpwww.ln.edu.hkphilosostaffsesardicRace2.pdf Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible httpwww.telegraph.co.uknewssciencescience-news12061787Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html Human intelligence is highly heritable. httpwww.nature.commpjournalv16n10absmp201185a.html Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased. httpwww.sciencedirect.comsciencearticlepiiS0160289608000305 Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks. httpwww.jbhe.comfeatures49_college_admissions-test.html Privately, intelligence experts hold more hereditarian views than they express in public. httpwww.udel.edueducgottfredsonreprints1994egalitarianfiction.pdf Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households. httppsycnet.apa.orgpsycinfo1977-07996-001 The average African IQ is estimated at 79. httpwww.sciencedirect.comsciencearticlepiiS0191886912003741 The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100. httpwww.udel.edueducgottfredsonreprints1997mainstream.pdf The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing. httpwww.jbhe.comfeatures49_college_admissions-test.html Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa. httpwww.wsj.comarticlesSB115040765329081636 IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society. httppsychology.uwo.cafacultyrushtonpdfsPPPL1.pdf IQ is 75% heritable among Whites. httppsychology.uwo.cafacultyrushtonpdfsPPPL1.pdf
Jordan Jackson
We can out of poverty.
How the fuck do you think white people did it? Magic? Natural selection? Why not hard work and ethics? Obviously then my ETHNIC culture is better than most Africans/
Asher Diaz
>Tell retards lies to not hurt feelings >die in a toaster in a blender fire. >feel like you had a full life sacrificeing for others.
Brandon Martinez
Yes.
They had all the ability we did. Either they were completely lacking in natural resources or work ethic. History seems to prove the latter.
Jack Kelly
OP is right that race has devolved into a social construct. But that's not a judgment on the concept. The term "race" has been rendered obsolete by modern science. This is especially true given the scientific breakthroughs in the field of genetics since the 90s. That term is too vague to accurately convey the differences between populations. So while the terminology may have changed the concept remains solid. And there is a correlation between the mean IQ score and genetic origins.
Henry Hughes
Literally why there aren't enough doctors and nurses, because people aren't able to pass the exams.
I'm leaving out top tier Unis, but we all know that dive Unis which is pretty much all outside of the top 20 are shite and are only there to generate money.
David Reyes
I was politely trying to indicate that you were making an absurd claim without any supporting evidence. Your claim is not "truth" because you have not meaningfully substantiated the asserted association between darker skin, genetics, and IQ.
Nathan Green
Anthropologists are geneticists. Race is a genetic concept.
Grayson James
Geography plays a huge part and once things set in a certain way it takes a huge effort to change them. GDP per capita growth in the UK was almost non-existent for centuries due to population growth offsetting any gains made and this only ended through the industrial revolution and the ability to invest in capital and have your wealth grow at the rate of inflation. Since then GDP has grown at an unprecedented level and we spearheaded the industrial age.
It took a monumental effort to raise the standard of living for the UK and Africa didn't have the organisation or resources to replicate this in that time period.
> not accurately account for variance in human characteristics, and can not be considered scientific classifications. This is bullshit and everyone knows it.
Cognitive ability isn't the same as physical attributes. People in that region are athletic due to the environment they have lived in for centuries demanding that kind of a person to survive.
Can't anthropologists determine a person's race from looking at their skeleton? But it isn't real tho.
Luke Ward
>OP ignores actual science
typical
Oliver Williams
> the best solution is to raise their standards of living in their own countries through trade and an effort to move their industry away from agriculture to more skilled industries
I completely agree with this. As we use to say in Spanish: "don't give them fishes, but teach them how to fish".
The way liberal EU is handling the crisis massive immigration shows either stupidity, or evilness. Poverty in the world won't disappear by letting all uncivilized people from Third World enter in Europe. But, given their low sophistication, and that they can't save themselves, it would be a better idea to give them the tools they haven't been able to invent themselves.
By the way, you really reminded me of something Nick Griffin said in the European Parlament: youtube.com/watch?v=kmDuPccLON4 I don't think anyone has ever spoken so reasonably and clearly in that putrid place.
Finally, please consider reading the words of Thomas Dixon (pic related) about Africans. He described very well what we're discussing here: how they have maybe one of the richest continents of the world, but have been utterly unable to use the resources of their own lands.
